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KE In MAD  
User currently offlineWonderFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2433 times:

I was wondering how KE was doing in MAD. At first, I thought the newly introduced flight was going to be a seasonal one but KE is in MAD to stay. Anybody has any insight on their performance so far?

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User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2371 times:

what is it operated with? A330/B777????


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2364 times:
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Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 1):
what is it operated with? A330/B777????

Boeing 777-200.

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

AFAIK, it's a 1xweek no-stop ICN-MAD-ICN on a 772 3-class configuration,

Wondering how do they fill the forward cabin (F/J) with a weekly flight......



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7613 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 3):
Wondering how do they fill the forward cabin (F/J) with a weekly flight

I wonder the same. Maybe they have a codeshare on AF's MAD-CDG flights and passengers who are not flexible in terms of dates have to be content with flying one stop one of their legs.



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User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 3):
AFAIK, it's a 1xweek no-stop ICN-MAD-ICN on a 772 3-class configuration,

Nope, actually it's 3x week MON / THU / SAT



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Maybe they have a codeshare on AF's MAD-CDG flights and passengers who are not flexible in terms of dates have to be content with flying one stop one of their legs.

During the whole week is possible to get AF (MAD-CDG) then connecting KE (CDG-ICN) as code share operation.
Some other possibilities are currently available on Skyteam network from MAD to ICN.
Regards.



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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

No information how KE is doing on MAD route yet, but what I found is that KE didn't do any fare promotion when launching this route. (or they may did very weak promotion.) So not many tourists there, which means high yield. I believe KE is confident with it. And the schedule will be a little bit better on the winter schedule.

User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting Flykal (Reply 5):
Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 3):
AFAIK, it's a 1xweek no-stop ICN-MAD-ICN on a 772 3-class configuration,


Nope, actually it's 3x week MON / THU / SAT

My bad, I got confused because departure time is different on THU (1410) than MON and SAT (1550).

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Maybe they have a codeshare on AF's MAD-CDG flights and passengers who are not flexible in terms of dates have to be content with flying one stop one of their legs.

AF/KE codeshare on a double daily ICN-CDG and there is also a 6xweekly ICN-AMS so there are plenty and more flexible options for SKY members to do ICN-CDG than via MAD.


What surprises me is that every attempt to fly Spain-China (much larger market than Korea and much stronger business ties) has failed or have had to be combined (like Air China is doing now) and all of a sudden we have this MAD-ICN.

Wondering whether MAD-NRT will be flown again in the future (IB did it in the 80's) with JL entrance into OW, today it seems unlikely because JL is shrinking and IB is so focused on LatAm and US.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33178 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
What surprises me is that every attempt to fly Spain-China (much larger market than Korea and much stronger business ties) has failed or have had to be combined (like Air China is doing now) and all of a sudden we have this MAD-ICN.

China doesn't have a large connecting hub. Seoul is a huge connecting hub, and offers a significant amount of connections throughout Korea, Japan, China, and Asia in general. Seoul supports non-stop service to many smaller long-haul markets thanks to it's awesome connectivity.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
AF/KE codeshare on a double daily ICN-CDG and there is also a 6xweekly ICN-AMS so there are plenty and more flexible options for SKY members to do ICN-CDG than via MAD.

KE operates ICN-AMS 3 x week A332, 3-class, old cabins.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
China doesn't have a large connecting hub. Seoul is a huge connecting hub, and offers a significant amount of connections throughout Korea, Japan, China, and Asia in general. Seoul supports non-stop service to many smaller long-haul markets thanks to it's awesome connectivity.

100% correct. ICN is an efficient hub and KE has wide connectivity.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
What surprises me is that every attempt to fly Spain-China (much larger market than Korea and much stronger business ties) has failed or have had to be combined (like Air China is doing now) and all of a sudden we have this MAD-ICN.

Air China is managing to fly PEK-MAD because the flight continues to GRU, which provides yields and loads to the operations.

Rgs,


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
China doesn't have a large connecting hub. Seoul is a huge connecting hub, and offers a significant amount of connections throughout Korea, Japan, China, and Asia in general. Seoul supports non-stop service to many smaller long-haul markets thanks to it's awesome connectivity.

Not saying you're wrong, but don't you think JL or CX would've better chance than KE to succeed in Spain considering MAD is a OW hub? NRT and HKG are also large hubs.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
AF/KE codeshare on a double daily ICN-CDG and there is also a 6xweekly ICN-AMS so there are plenty and more flexible options for SKY members to do ICN-CDG than via MAD.

KE operates ICN-AMS 3 x week A332, 3-class, old cabins.

I meant other options for SKY members like KL744M 6xweek ICN-AMS, you're right, I missed KE ICN-AMS 3xweek so there are even more options for SKY members out of CDG to ICN.



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 7):
but what I found is that KE didn't do any fare promotion when launching this route. (or they may did very weak promotion.)

The fare promotion is/was at the KE's European web page.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 7):
I believe KE is confident with it.

I hope so  Smile I'd like see KE serving MAD as a stable station.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
100% correct. ICN is an efficient hub and KE has wide connectivity

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That's a good reason for KE to make a try serving Madrid-Barajas.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 11):
but don't you think JL or CX would've better chance than KE to succeed in Spain considering MAD is a OW hub?

IB makes codeshare with both, JL and CX at AMS. Right now that's enough.

And remember this time is not the first one for KE at Barajas.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7613 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 8):
AF/KE codeshare on a double daily ICN-CDG and there is also a 6xweekly ICN-AMS so there are plenty and more flexible options for SKY members to do ICN-CDG than via MAD.

That was not my point... obviously CDG-ICN has plenty of non-stop service, as both airports are hubs of two SkyTeam carriers. My point had to do with your comment that non-daily service might not be good for business travelers and, so, if a South Korean business traveler wants to reach MAD, for the days when there is no service, he can still fly KE or AF ICN-CDG and then AF CDG-MAD (or viceversa) with a KE ticket.



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1754 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
if a South Korean business traveler wants to reach MAD, for the days when there is no service, he can still fly KE or AF ICN-CDG and then AF CDG-MAD (or viceversa) with a KE ticket.

Or with an AF ticket, it doesn't matter which.

In fact, the most used way to fly Spain-South Korea is via CDG. Also is via FRA with LH but it's less.

Anyway, I hope KE can go on flying MAD 3x week, and at least be a complementary for the twice daily MAD-CDG-ICN route.



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User currently offlineWonderFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 7):
No information how KE is doing on MAD route yet, but what I found is that KE didn't do any fare promotion when launching this route. (or they may did very weak promotion.) So not many tourists there, which means high yield. I believe KE is confident with it. And the schedule will be a little bit better on the winter schedule.

I agree, KE must be confident with the MAD route or they wouldn't have reintroduced it in the winter schedule, but how is the winter schedule better than the summer?


User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

There are connections via PRG as well. All Czech Airlines flight have between PRG and MAD have also flight no. for KE.
KE operates 4 times a week between PRG and ICN on A330.



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