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Randys Blog - Ohhhh Dear!  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16624 times:

Just as we started to miss the entertaining blogs from Mr Basler, his successor has come up with an absolute cracker!

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/

According to the new Randy, the fact that the A380 is so quiet is a bad thing if you are a passenger, because its harder to sleep.

Quote:
You may recall media reports earlier this year making a lot of noise about how quiet it was aboard the A380.

In stories about the A380 passenger experience, we read that even seated by a window, you could hear conversations on the other side of the airplane, or even several rows away. In some reports, when passengers mentioned that this might be a bit disconcerting, they were told that one might have to “get used to” eavesdropping on an airplane.

So, I wonder if this also means that we’ll hear crying babies many rows further away than on today’s airplanes? Or sounds from the galleys?

I don’t know about you, but my personal experience is that if you can’t sleep because you can hear lots of conversations, or other sounds, you’re going to be more fatigued when you arrive.

This is a bit of an odd thing to say, since I assumed that the 787 would be equally as quiet. Or will it?

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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4602 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16555 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
This is a bit of an odd thing to say, since I assumed that the 787 would be equally as quiet. Or will it?

It sounds like that on the inside it won't be - but that's not a bad thing.

His points are completely valid - I wouldn't want to hear conversations from across the plane, nor do I want to sit in J and hear screaming babies in Y (or F!  Smile)

It's good to have that background "aircraft" noise the whole time, because without it it would sound like a crowded hall on market day with lots of people chatting and so on. He has a great point!

Finally some fire from Randy T!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16525 times:

Airbus has Leahy, Boeing has Basler and Aboulafia. But they together come close to Leahy

User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16504 times:

Not sure who this guy is, but I think he has ordered too many drinks himself. As a pax his comments are stupid and child like. Obviously he has decided to take a swipe at the 380, so what about smelly people, lines for the bathroom, lines to get on. No, lets go for being able to hear yourself speak on an aeroplane!!!! If you are one of those people who cannot sleep due to excessive aeroplane noise fly the 380, stay off our products we build them with noise.

Good sell job for the opposition stupid!!!!


User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16479 times:

From the Blog... "You’d probably agree that the most disturbing background noises are the random ones - talking, coughing, lavatory doors closing. How disturbed you are during a flight is a function of the degree to which the random noises rise above the background noise.

We think the difference between “perceived” quiet on different jetliners is due to the balance of background - or white noise - and ambient noise."

I think he is correct in that you want some white noise in an airplane. But what is his point? It is not something that gives Boeing an advantage. Is he implying that the A380 crossed the threshold of "too quiet"? I doubt that. Is he trying to make excuses ahead of time as to why the 787 will be noisier? Perhaps. Maybe that cabin sidewall redesign to allow 9Y did have a drawback after all.

All in all, I find it wierd that he chose to write about that. It is not an area of competitive advantage to Boeing. Unless he is trying to preempt the 787 being noisier issue.

Really wierd.



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User currently offlineLokey123 From Barbados, joined May 2006, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16478 times:

That is a load if I ever heard one. The same way you can wear Bose headsets or earplugs to drown out engine noise is the same way you can use them to get rid of the crying baby or chatter. It makes it easier to sleep and is so much less annoying when the cabin is quiet.

User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16447 times:

So if the A380 is "too" quiet, A can just install white noise generators.

User currently offlineTKV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16426 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
According to the new Randy, the fact that the A380 is so quiet is a bad thing if you are a passenger, because its harder to sleep

As we must assume that the new Randy is a clever guy, obviously he didn't mean that quiet engines are bad, but that given the fact that the A380 with newer engines are much quieter referred to the B744, it is necessary to give more attention to the internal acoustic characteristics of the cabin. We all know how disturbing it is to be exposed to brainy conversations or snickering of guys/ladies behind you seat !!  Smile

And I must assume that even more new aircraft as the B787, A350 and B748i (engine-wise) will be still quieter and possibly Randy is hinting that Boeing is taking care of this. He does it in a manner usual in the aircraft environment. Not to say anything clearly !! Big grin

TKV


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16426 times:
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Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
Airbus has Leahy, Boeing has Basler and Aboulafia. But they together come close to Leahy

Bassler has retired, this is a new Randy.



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User currently offlineSphealey From United States of America, joined May 2005, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16404 times:

> His points are completely valid

HIs observations are no doubt valid, but I would have to question his conclusion a bit. If you start with a quiet environment you can pipe in controlled levels of white noise, but if you start with a noisier environment it is going to be very hard if not impossible to take it out. So I would prefer that the raw design be as quiet as possible and the engineers include a white noise system (perhaps with an active frequency profile based on noise canceling technology).

sPh


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4602 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16403 times:

Quoting Lokey123 (Reply 5):
The same way you can wear Bose headsets or earplugs to drown out engine noise is the same way you can use them to get rid of the crying baby or chatter

Yeah sure, I always have a comfortable sleep with cans on the side of my head. Riiiiight...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineGbfra From Germany, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16402 times:

Has Randy ever flown on an A380?


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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16365 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
His points are completely valid - I wouldn't want to hear conversations from across the plane, nor do I want to sit in J and hear screaming babies in Y (or F! )

It's good to have that background "aircraft" noise the whole time, because without it it would sound like a crowded hall on market day with lots of people chatting and so on. He has a great point!

Finally some fire from Randy T!

You are kidding right. All aeroplanes have noise, there is no way to stop air flowing over a mass at 500mph. So the 380 is going to be quieter, less engine whine I would guess. What do aeroplanes sound like now, crowded halls with more supporting background noise. Instead of people shouting to be heard because of the background noise, they will be keeping their voices down.

Randy to Pax: "On this 14 hour flight, would you like a quieter environment or something noisier".
Pax to Friend: "Got this wierdo asking stupid questions, what should I do"
Friend to Pax: "Tell him what he wants to hear, then he will go away"!!


User currently offlineJTR From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16365 times:

I never notice engine noise, except when I set in the rear of an AA MD80 or FL 717. I couldn't tell the difference between a BA 777 and an LH A340 when I was flying them trans-Atlantic. As a passenger, I want to hear engine noise - after all, you're in a metal (soon to be plastic) tube hurtling through the air at ~.8 mach. Something about hearing the engines turning reassures me.

This being said, I think this is the least inspired post I've seen on that blog.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29690 posts, RR: 84
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16327 times:
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I do agree his general text is a reach, and probably would have been better left unsaid since it comes across as just carping for the sake of carping.

However, I do think some light "white noise" like the engines and such might very well help some folks sleep - just like the sound of falling rain can be soothing.


User currently offlineTKV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16273 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
Airbus has Leahy, Boeing has Basler and Aboulafia. But they together come close to Leahy

Now it is Tinseth ! We know still very little about the new Randy, but of course, he is a newborn baby related to Leahy !!

I do not know if you can qualify Aboulafia as Boeing's own, if so, they would be well advised to look for somebody else. I never saw a case where a guy manages to get named in the press issuing absolute platitudes:

If a Kangoroo is seen hopping along 5th avenue on plain view of half NY, the press (not Boeing!) include a
standard phrase in their articles regarding aviation:

"Says Richard Aboulafia, .... of TEAL...: A Kangoroo hopped along 5th. Avenue !!! " Big grin Big grin

TKV


User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16251 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
It's good to have that background "aircraft" noise the whole time, because without it it would sound like a crowded hall on market day with lots of people chatting and so on. He has a great point!

I agree, no way could I sleep on a plane at the gate with the engines off! In the air, no problem. Same reason I can sleep so well during a rain shower. The background noise lulls you to sleep and blocks out most random noises.



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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16189 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
However, I do think some light "white noise" like the engines and such might very well help some folks sleep

This is a complex issue. On a long daylight flight or at any time you don't want to sleep, relatively loud background white noise can be very fatiguing compared to the occasional cough, dropped tray, child crying.

If you are trying to sleep, a level of background white noise that makes the occasional loud noise less "jarring/startling" is best.

However, it is ALWAYS TRUE that if you start with a quieter cabin you have more options on the sound treatment.

On a quieter cabin, you can introduce background white/mood noise (brooks, birds, leaves in the wind, etc) and adjust the level dynamically to mach the loudest exbected "people noise". So, if everyone is quiet, injected background noise is minimal. If losts of people are talking or a baby is crying, you can bump background noise (perhaps on that section of the cabin) accordingly. You can also inject noise cancelling signals for any noise that goes above some value (say 80db).

If you have a noisy cabin to begin with, your options are severelly limited.

Randy sounds like a fool - implying that a quiet airframe is a bad thing.



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16065 times:

Wait - who is actually making the reports?

"In stories about the A380 passenger experience, we read that even seated by a window, you could hear conversations on the other side of the airplane, or even several rows away. In some reports, when passengers mentioned that this might be a bit disconcerting, they were told that one might have to �get used to� eavesdropping on an airplane."

So, Randy is not the one who is saying it is so quiet one can hear conversations on the other side of the airplane - passengers who have flown the A380 are, and they would know - they're the ones who have actually flown on it - and they're the ones that reported the quiet disturbing, not Randy.

So why are people here bashing Randy for what passengers who have actually flown on the A380 have complained about???

I can just imagine - the airlines will provide ear plugs for free, or for a small fee you can "rent" noise-canceling headphones. Or you can just bring your own ear muffs.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15985 times:

The simplest of all solutions for all airplanes: Noise cancelling headphones.


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User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15932 times:

Heaven help us if they ever allow them cell phones to be turned on in air. That would make flying VERY annoying.

HOBO


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15799 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 19):
The simplest of all solutions for all airplanes: Noise cancelling headphones.

Ear plugs would be simplest. Thick with irony, but simplest nonetheless.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6579 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15783 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
However, I do think some light "white noise" like the engines and such might very well help some folks sleep - just like the sound of falling rain can be soothing.

It certainly helps me sleep; an airplane is one of the few places where I can actually sleep sitting up.


User currently offlineGbfra From Germany, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15743 times:

Quoting Khobar (Reply 18):
So, Randy is not the one who is saying it is so quiet one can hear conversations on the other side of the airplane - passengers who have flown the A380 are, and they would know - they're the ones who have actually flown on it - and they're the ones that reported the quiet disturbing, not Randy.

So why are people here bashing Randy for what passengers who have actually flown on the A380 have complained about???

How many people did actually complain?

I have flown on the A380. It is in fact a very quiet airplane (something some - mostly American - a.netters didn't want to believe at the time. One was even thinking that I had listened to Hard Rock before entering the plane so that I was more or less deaf during the flight.)

But even if it is quiet one shouldn't exaggerate. I was sitting behind John Leahy in B-class and I could not overhear his conversation with his neighbour.



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User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15660 times:

This seems like a stunning non-issue.

Randy should not have brought this up. Frankly bringing up minor issues about the A380 at a time when people are hanging on for every word about 787 news is a really bad idea.

If the A380 is that quiet- great.

What is going on with the 787??!!



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25 Post contains links WCS : How do you could even buy this? That’s just ridiculous! This guy says that quieter is not better? May I suggest him to amend this quote, from his co
26 Post contains images Flysherwood : I guess not. They must be planning it to sound like an A319 or a 737-200 just after takeoff.
27 Post contains images Azhobo : "For instance, even though the Airbus A340 has lower sound pressure levels, the Boeing 777 rates “quieter” in studies. So what’s going on? " I t
28 Post contains images Gbfra : You can acoustically measure this of course. Right. Undoubtedly, Randy will praise the quietness of the B787. (After they had to admit a delay of the
29 BlackKnight : I think everyone has missed the point here. In the usual quick to judge method here on A.net. I believe the point has been missed. First and foremost
30 Post contains images Stitch : Because he's a marketer and we hate marketers.
31 TKV : Please refer to my reply 7. TKV
32 Zvezda : If one wants to minimize hearing conversations, screaming babies, etc., then one should stick to narrow-bodies. The wider an airliner, the more seats
33 Ikramerica : No, it won't, by design. They in fact removed insulation to make the walls thinner because it would have made the jet quieter than it needed to be, a
34 EI321 : People will talk and babys will cry. A noisy cabin never stopped this, it just caused people to talk louder so that they can hear each other, thus inc
35 Post contains images TKV : Unfortunately, there is people who never learned to speak in low tone. And this happens especially after a few beers ! TKV
36 Post contains images Gbfra : Oh yes. According to your logic Boeing's next marketing campaign should be: "Buy our aircraft because they are noisier than the aircraft of our compe
37 DeltaDC9 : Not exactly, sound doesn't work quite like that. Background noise effectively drowns out other noise of the same dblevel or lower, but people close t
38 ScottB : Interesting choice given that the article mentions cabin noise but predominantly addresses reducing noise impacts on communities instead.
39 Col : People at Airbus and those on board said the 380 is sooooo quiet, good marketing ploy. So Boeing reply is that passengers want it noisy. This the whol
40 EI321 : There is at lease one trip report of the A380 on this site. I suggest reading it.
41 Post contains images Khobar : Obviously enough people complained to make multiple reports. You may have thought it very quiet and not have been able to hear Mr. Leahy, but that do
42 Gbfra : Could you please quote these "multiple reports"?
43 Travellin'man : I couldn't agree more. I also think the converse is more true than people think, that people will be quiet if the environment is such. An airplane is
44 Wsp : We have ICE2 trains in Germany for about a decade now. They are are as quiet as public transportation can get even at max speed. I have yet to hear an
45 Khobar : They were mentioned in the opening article: "In some reports, when passengers mentioned that this might be a bit disconcerting, they were told that o
46 VHECA : I always thought that, if you can not hear the engine noise...kiss your A%$ goodbye! Just my opinion!
47 BlueSkys : Although I believe he makes a good point, he should keep quite about the competition. One thing i really respect boeing for is not talking "dirt" abou
48 Allrite : I guess the problem is that you will be able to hear the "doof-doof" from other passengers' music players (eg iPods) just like I have to put up with e
49 Post contains images Wukka : Agreed, until another one passes you in the opposite direction just as you're dozing off and you rock to one side and pee yourself a little bit. When
50 Abba : I will go further than that. This shows beyond any reasonable doubt that Boeing has people - whom they even let peak semi-officially - compared to wh
51 Post contains images Glideslope : This thread is all poppycock. Operators want capacity and range. Noise, blah, blah. Show me the profit and I'll fly your frame. Note the most current
52 EI321 : Whats that? These blogs are good at omitting things. Say you are in a tightly populated space - the quieter it is, the quieter you will talk because
53 Post contains images Knoxibus : I have more flight hours on A380 than many people here and I have no idea where "his" reports are coming from. I did one of the full pax flight, after
54 Thorben : This guy is too funny. But what can you expect from Boeing, they said so many things against big planes and four-engined planes, then they launch the
55 Post contains images BoomBoom : Name dropper...
56 MIT787 : Isn't it Randy's Blog? Can't he say WTF he want to say? If you do not like what he has to say, then start your own blog. Like the saying in media goes
57 Thorben : If he publish it, he has to live with people commenting it, just like TV stations and other media need to live with that.
58 Khobar : That is an, err, interesting way to twist what was actually written. I asked who was making the assertions that people here jumped up and down about:
59 SSTsomeday : He seems to be clutching at straws here. It seems seem like a childish rant to me, even though delivered in nice-guy, passive aggressive verbiage. An
60 Post contains images Knoxibus : Why do you ask about the negative aspects?, And 5 of them furthermore, aren't you a tad bit interested by all the other positive aspects?
61 Post contains images Mir : Translation: the 787 isn't going to be as quiet as the 380, so we're sending out the spin machine. This sort of sour grapes stuff takes away from Boe
62 Post contains images AF2323 : Fortunately, it will never happen in an A380
63 DeltaDC9 : I guess you are unfamiliar with white noise?
64 Col : Yes, you are right he can and obviously has said what he likes. But, we like to believe over here that Boeing are not down to the levels of JL in Eur
65 Mir : Engine noise isn't white noise. -Mir
66 DeltaDC9 : If you have ever hear white noise at 70-110db, you would probably understand what I am talking about. There is very little difference when you look a
67 SSTsomeday : If your comparison is accurate, it would offer a motive for his off-the-wall pot shot.
68 Post contains images RedFlyer : It sounds a little too much like sour grapes. Now that I think about it, it sounds exactly like something Leahy would say. When I was in Europe a cou
69 ER757 : I'd have to qualify that by saying opinions expressed by Randy T do not necessarily reflect the views of BCA. That having been said, I think Randy T
70 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...sure, even though Aboulafia's recent comments praised the A350XWB..but lets not let some facts get in the way... ...leave it up to Zvezda to come
71 Col : Sorry, but I have to diagree. The top of the page has a big Boeing emblem, so yes it is a Boeing product and reflects the views of Boeing. That is my
72 Iwok : Dum post for sure. It is such a poor post, I'm sure he'll come to regret it in the future. John "old blowhard" Leahy will have a field day with this.
73 Post contains images WingedMigrator : To me, there's nothing more annoying than the frequency beats between engines. You know, that woooooooooooow woooooow woooow woow wow wowow wow woooo
74 Post contains images Astuteman : Makes you wonder how Boeing managed to get them on the plane........ (it wasn't Khobar , by the way.....) Regards
75 Tdscanuck : Very unlikely, I suspect. I agree it's not a great post, but a blog is a blog...it is, by definition, not an official company position. It doesn't do
76 Mir : Apparently Randy cares. I agree that it's not a big deal at all, but he did bother to write the post. I think he's wrong - I find engine noise to be
77 Wsp : This is a corporate website. Boeing has the full legal responsibility for the content of this page.
78 AF2323 : My opinion is that when you're on a plane, engine noise being constant, you live with it and you don't really focus on it. But it really contribute to
79 Post contains images Iwok : I love the engine noise, but the HVAC noise for me is terrible. That said, whenever I fly in general the noise level is not a problem for me and it d
80 Tdscanuck : That should go away on most airliners after takeoff...that problem was solved by syncrhonizers (and synchrophasers) on propeller planes years ago and
81 Post contains images Sebolino : LOL. I can barely imagine the storm of insults and mocking it would have triggered if Leahy had said something like that against Boeing. Some of you
82 Col : Tom, you must be kidding!!! Why is the Blog sponsored by Boeing? How many people researched this noise blog, and who paid their salary? Who does he r
83 XT6Wagon : Its very interesting to note the shear number of people that understand very little to nothing about sound and how humans react to it. Even worse is a
84 Tdscanuck : Who said that Boeing had nothing to do with this? Certainly not me. I said that Randy's words are not the same as the official position of the Boeing
85 DeltaDC9 : It is, especially when noise is such an widespread issue in aviation. Funny thing, I was in the concert production business for 20 years, every time
86 Col : Tom, Think we can agree to disagree on this one. Col
87 Dougloid : Prop synch and fan synch have been around forever. They probably disable fan synch on takeoff and landing.
88 Post contains images BoomBoom : Yes, and I can imagine how some of you would leap to his defense. Every time Leahy sticks his foot in his mouth there is a chorus of: "He sells a lot
89 EI321 : No. There is a reason why this and other blogs exist - publicity and marketing. What he has written is untrue and missleading. I certainly would not.
90 DeltaDC9 : Sorry, but it really has merit, you just dont like what he has to say for whatever reason. Unless you are a sound engineer, or have worked with them,
91 EI321 : It have. Sound insulation plays a part of my job. It would, if he told us the full stoey. White noise on a plane does not stop people talking. It mak
92 BoomBoom : I just went back and reread the blog entry in it's entirety. It's quite different from the selective quote hatchet job you did. It's worth looking at
93 DeltaDC9 : i was under the impression that the insulation was thinner, but just as effective. I think this is being taken out of context. I dont agree, people t
94 Mit787 : I wouldn't exactly call this misleading. I just think it is his opinion and he is entitled to that. I think a lot of you guys are really taking this
95 Incitatus : Boeing is great. It is Randy that puts up a lousy blog. Airbus should hire him.
96 EI321 : Read the moderated comments on this own website. They say it all! Yes suddenly taking a direct quote is a 'hatchet job'! Dont take my opinion, take a
97 Azhobo : What part did he say that was untrue. Please state one fact he states that is untrue. Just give me one quote and you make me a believer. Otherwise ai
98 Post contains images BoomBoom : It's what you left out that's the problem. Context is everything. You selectively quoted to fit your agenda. I'm sure a lot of his readers are Airbus
99 EI321 : Right here: And what 'studies' are those, Randy? All of the years that I've been an aviation fan, and I've never, not once, heard anyone say that the
100 BoomBoom : No, your your agenda of putting words in his mouth: And this: Talk about derogatory jive talking.
101 Post contains images EI321 : Putting words in Randys mouth? Honestly, I've never even met the guy! ..........Wow, anyone reading this would think I'm the only one who thinks he's
102 Gbfra : Don't worry, you're not the only one.
103 777236ER : You mean like how passengers would prefer a noisier cabin?
104 BoomBoom : But you did it. The quotes are there for everyone to see: He never said these things, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
105 Azhobo : So you believe there are no studies that Boeing has done that would show that customers rate the 777 quieter than the a340? Could be right, could be
106 777236ER : The facts are this: In stories about the A380 passenger experience, we read that even seated by a window, you could hear conversations on the other s
107 Halls120 : That so many Anetters are still so wrapped around the axle about Randy T's statements in his blog likely has Randy and others in Boeing's marketing de
108 BoomBoom : The first point isn't paraphrasing from the Boeing person either. Let's parse this: Where in the above paragarph did Randy say "the fact that the A38
109 Post contains images Ikramerica : First, who's shouting on a widebody today? They are not that loud. I can talk quietly to my seatmate on an older 767. I can also, unfortunately, hear
110 777236ER : Why are you repeating this same, strange cliche, as if it has anything to do with this thread?! Randy said In stories about the A380 passenger experi
111 Gbfra : Sure. Everybody but one has understood Randy's statement. It remains a quite ridiculous statement. Maybe he should fly on a A380.
112 AF2323 : That's true, he didn't say it directly. 1 : he says that we can hear more conversations in the A380 2 : he says that you may not be able to sleep if
113 Knoxibus : The thing is, in relation to this subject, I am still wondering where he "read" such reports and where are they from? Once again, over a range of 2000
114 BoomBoom : Well you've back peddled quite a bit but he didn't say that either. That's your spin. Both you and EI321 didn't find his actual words damning enough
115 PlanesNTrains : That's interesting. I never knew that. I will say this: I'm one of those people who would likely enjoy the premise of a quieter cabin. I'm also one o
116 Azhobo : They are not in commercial service as of yet.
117 Gbfra : Well, you shouldn't blame him for this. He is just doing what he is paid for. He knows very well that the delivery of MSN003 to Singapore and their s
118 Longhaulheavy : They can pick up some of those fake ocean noise generators when Radio Shack has them on sale for $9.99. (Although, maybe not. On a long overseas flig
119 Glareskin : You don't need a study. Just fly both aircraft and you'll know immediately that the A340 is remarkably quieter and it is a better experience. Just th
120 777236ER : And he said that he thinks the A380 might be too quiet for passengers to like! That's the ridiculous statement, it's not spin on anyone's part apart
121 BoomBoom : He said
122 777236ER : Sorry mate, he actually said: What do you take that to mean? Are you honestly saying that isn't a petty, and patronising comment?
123 PlanesNTrains : The question is "When is quiet 'too quiet'"? If we focus on that, rather than on who is asking it, maybe it will be a more productive conversation. I
124 Col : Any gossip you want to share, just love those Galley seats. Keep the 767 noise comment to yourself, otherwise Randy is gonna have the Anti Noise Abat
125 Post contains images BoomBoom : And I'm missing where he says:
126 NAV20 : Must admit that I read this and cringed. Randy Baseler, with his quirky sense of humour, might (probably would) have managed to carry it off and make
127 Halls120 : Sorry, but my earlier comments are still relevant here. All he's doing is expressing his opinion as to which cabin environment is better, in order to
128 NAV20 : With due respect, Halls120, it's no more useful either, in marketing/PR terms. Baseler did well because his was a 'one-off,' sidelong talent; he made
129 Post contains links WCS : Ok, maybe I should clarify with these quotes: "Memorandum by The Boeing Company " [...] "8. Since 2000, design improvement packages to reduce flight
130 Halls120 : And you know this because? I'm sure Boeing isn't worried about the reaction amongst Anetters. As long his blog is being read, it fulfils its purpose.
131 Col : So Boeing should lower their standards to Leahy, thought they were better than that, and that is my disappointment with this blog. Hit the nail bang
132 Halls120 : Why does it matter? Really? Are you going to refuse to ride in a Boeing airplane because the New Randy isn't as smooth as the old Randy? Do you refus
133 Art : My guess is that when all these early passengers handed in their completed questionnaires to Randy after landing back at Everett, the vast majority p
134 Molykote : I don't agree with these comments about the A380 being "too quiet". I do appreciate the background noise argument as my parents told me that I wouldn'
135 JayinKitsap : Could Randy be primarily be trying to get people to understand what goes into designing a plane and how everything can be a compromise. To get 10,000
136 Aither : I totally agree with Randy and have experienced the effects he describes while living in an apartment with very good soundproof windows. Indeed, if yo
137 Col : If it please you, yes I book my flights based on who at Airbus and Boeing is making the biggest a$$ of themselves and their company.
138 Post contains links and images Airwave : Looks like Randy's tipped his hat to this here thread... Gotta love the irony of his hearing "loud and clear".
139 NAV20 : Keep wondering how Randy Mark One would have handled the 'Silence' point. Maybe he'd have harked back to the more or less 'standard' scene in those b
140 Mir : Depends. In my experience, the 340 is quieter than the 777 in terms of each location (i.e. a window seat near the engines in a 340 will be quieter th
141 Justloveplanes : I'd like to know your TECHNICAL disagreements with what Randy B says. Specifically, his example of the flight attendant being able to hear your drink
142 Glareskin : As a Boeing fan you are quite an advanced Airbus user. You flew on a plane that has to be designed yet......
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