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AA Recalls 460 ex-TWA Flight Attendants  
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070815/ameri...rlines_flight_attendants.html?.v=2

All of them ex-TWA. Will they be based in STL or across the system?

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User currently offlineAanyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8693 times:

BOS, DCA, LGA, and ORD

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

Well... it's been about 5 years... hopefully many are still willing to come back. Will be great for AA to have their extensive experience on board. Welcome back TW folks!

What's AA's policy on transferring to another FA base? I know most of the current STL base are AA folks made to transfer there after the TW STL base was furloughed.... don't know how many at the AA base now commute in. So, AA now needs to pump up the BOS, DCA, LGA and ORD bases... if STL-based attendants who may live in or closer to these other four bases want to work out of one of those, and the recalled TW attendants want to work out of STL (where presumably many live)... will that be possible?

(edited for typos)

[Edited 2007-08-15 20:51:29]


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineAanyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8611 times:

Transfers are based on seniority. At this point the flight attendants based in STL are there of their own accord and wish to stay there. The bases open to the recalled flight attendants are those four mentioned above. Before any recalled flight attendant is give a base assignment, American must first clear the transfer list into that base city.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 3):
Before any recalled flight attendant is give a base assignment, American must first clear the transfer list into that base city.

So, AA surely allows commuting, correct?

Also, per your reply above, once a recalled FA is assigned a base, can they immediately put in for a transfer to another base (i.e. STL)?



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineRIPCORDD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

Wow I thought that they were going to wait until their furlough list expired and just hired new off the street. Anyways good news but they prob will only get 15-30% of laid off workers to come back.

User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting RIPCORDD (Reply 5):
Wow I thought that they were going to wait until their furlough list expired and just hired new off the street. Anyways good news but they prob will only get 15-30% of laid off workers to come back.

Of 103 of the TWA folks on the last recall, 83 came back.

[Edited 2007-08-15 21:45:29]

User currently offlineRdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 6):
Of 103 of the TWA folks on the last recall, 83 came back.

Congrats and good luck to those folks. Any guess on the number/percentage that returns from this round of 460?

Gus


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 6):
Of 103 of the TWA folks on the last recall, 83 came back.

Of the 83, do you know the breakdown of JFK- vs. STL-based? (and other satellite stations... MSP, LAX, etc.)



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8352 times:

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 7):
Congrats and good luck to those folks. Any guess on the number/percentage that returns from this round of 460?

Another board has said that based on the training class set up they expect 350 of 460 to return- take that for what it's worth.



Here is a good article on the current state of affairs regarding a bill introduced by Sen Claire McCaskill and the grassroots push for furlough recall rights extension:

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/news...cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

[Edited 2007-08-15 22:03:30]

User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8332 times:

Quoting RIPCORDD (Reply 5):
Wow I thought that they were going to wait until their furlough list expired and just hired new off the street.

Unfortunately, the way AA thinks: that is ultimately the goal, however, we are in need of F/A's and can't wait any longer. But as you mentioned, 83 came back from the first batch, so we'll have to see how many return with this next recall.

Soon, it will be time to bring on the new F/A's; which, I'm pondering on changing workgroups for (I'd need to apply like anyone else), but don't want to give up my seniority in my work-group. My seniority, which I'm junior to begin with, is rapidly increasing with all the new hires system-wide- I can even transfer to MIA for full-time now!!

But, do I want to deal with passengers on a full-time basis? LOL!  

[Edited 2007-08-15 22:05:26]

User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

I would assume those that were based at JFK for TWA, there must be a fair amount who could easily be based at LGA now.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8283 times:

Well it is glad to see that AA is calling back TWA folks, though we know in their blood they last thing they want is ex TWA Folks on board.

Good luck to those ex TWA Folks, serve us proud and remind us of the old days of flying on TWA, yet AA style!

Alex



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8260 times:

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 6):
Of 103 of the TWA folks on the last recall, 83 came back.

Interesting...Are the ex-TWA folks elder F/As with decades experience at TWA, or did most of the "glory day F/As" retire, and the ones going back to AA are the younger ones?

I also wonder what these people were doing for the last 6 years. Were they just working odd jobs waiting to return to flying, or what?


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8241 times:

I know that APA agreed to a "fence" around STL, so that all ex-TW pilots are senior to all AA pilots in terms of being assigned to STL. That was to prevent AA pilots who may have low seniority at ORD, DFW, MIA, etc from taking advantage of the fact that, technically, all ex-TW pilots are junior to all AA pilots as of the day the TW sale closed.

Did AA's F/A union agree to any sort of "fence" around STL? If there is a "fence" for F/As, then it seems to me that any returning ex-TW F/A could bump an AA F/A out of STL.


User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8233 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
Interesting...Are the ex-TWA folks elder F/As with decades experience at TWA, or did most of the "glory day F/As" retire, and the ones going back to AA are the younger ones?

The most junior person being extended an offer for re-employment has a former TWA occupational seniority date of June 23, 1975 and an AA occupational seniority date of April 10, 2001. These recalls will be some of TWA's finest!


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2366 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8201 times:

Great news for the TWA folks. They have more useful experience than almost anyone else. Congrats to them, AA, and AA's customers who will benefit from their experience.

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8190 times:

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 15):
The most junior person being extended an offer for re-employment has a former TWA occupational seniority date of June 23, 1975 and an AA occupational seniority date of April 10, 2001. These recalls will be some of TWA's finest!

Wow, that is amazing! Do you know what date the most senior person started?!

Also, I assume these people will be stuck at the bottom of the senority pool, correct? So these ladies who used to fly JFK-LHR and JFK-CAI will now be flying LGA-DCA on an RJ? Any chance for them to ever fly international again, or would it take them too many years from now?


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4646 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 15):
The most junior person being extended an offer for re-employment has a former TWA occupational seniority date of June 23, 1975 and an AA occupational seniority date of April 10, 2001. These recalls will be some of TWA's finest!

That's excellent to hear, quite frankly... nothing beats experience. These people wouldn't have been flying so long with TWA if they didn't love the job, so it's a great thing that they're being allowed back into the fold!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8135 times:

After all this time would a person want to come back? I'm sure most of these people have moved on to better jobs in their minds and are at ease.

If a person comes back off furlough is it possible to be laid off again??


User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

I imagine many of them went on to other carriers, and assorted other small business opportunities. I can imagine some decided not to work for another airline and start their seniority and pay scale over from scratch and would be willing to leave other jobs to come back to AA with some level of seniority intact.

User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8030 times:

I suspect 300-350 people will come back from this group. With the seniority, probably 1/2 will retire almost immediately.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch regularly prints articles about the laid-off TWA people - one pilot was running a garage door install business but said he would jump back in the cockpit in a second. Other people have moved on and won't be coming back, but probably kept their seniority just to complain about being laid off and keeping a media presence for those people who do want to return.

Welcome back TWAers, although that does shoot holes in the common theory (which I agree) that AA was waiting for recall rights to expire. I think there's another 1800-2000 FA's on the furlough list as of now.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4646 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8011 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 19):
After all this time would a person want to come back? I'm sure most of these people have moved on to better jobs in their minds and are at ease.

If you love the job, love flying, love the industry - then you'd go back in a heartbeat - bad experience or not.

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 19):
If a person comes back off furlough is it possible to be laid off again??

Yes, let's hope there's no more big downturn.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7986 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):
will now be flying LGA-DCA on an RJ?

First of all, we are talking about AA recalls, not AE. AA flight attendants do not have any involvement with AE.


User currently offlineBOSSAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):
So these ladies who used to fly JFK-LHR and JFK-CAI will now be flying LGA-DCA on an RJ?

Hm, the ex-TWA flight attendants won't be working American Eagle flights, will they? Perhaps DFW-AUS would be a comparable mainline route.


25 SANFan : Does this move by AA imply that some expansion or growth is coming or are these FAs just normal attrition replacements? (With the a/c situation what i
26 AASTEW : The recalls are based on normal attrition, not growth. The returning TWA F/A's will be returning with a seniority date of April 10, 2001. TWA F/A's do
27 Panamair : So the LGA base also works some of the JFK-LAX/SFO/SEA/SAN transcons as well - not too shabby flying - but then again, those tend to go pretty senior
28 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : You can guarantee they will come back and retire immediately. Its guaranteed!
29 Aanyc : Wow...That's a pretty strong guarantee, considering only 2 recalled flight attendants have retired since their return on July 24. Anyway, so what if
30 RJpieces : Sorry, my bad...I should have realized that. So they'll be flying LGA-ORD on a Super-80 instead of JFK-LHR on a 747...It's sad... How long would it t
31 MiAAmi : It's been quite along time since TWA flew JFK-LHR on a 747. I'm sure if they are willing to return to AA they realize that they may not be flying the
32 AASTEW : It all depends on AA's international growth. Unless, you have a REALLY desired language qualification such as Japanese/Chinese Mandarin/Korean/Greek/A
33 Aanyc : They will be joining other Flight Attendants at AA with 20 years plus of seniority on reserve. So it's not only 20 somethings on reserve any longer.
34 AASTEW : Please keep in mind that the most junior Original AA F/A on property was hired in early 2001. That would probably make the most junior AA F/A around a
35 AJMIA : Welcome back to all the recalls!!! I sure hope we recall some more before the recall rights expire. I look forward to seeing you! Who cares if they co
36 B767300ER : As a former TWA F/A we all were assigned a Seniority date of 04/01/01 by AA without regard to our real seniority date. This was done inspite of the as
37 ToTheStars : I didnt get passes but I did get 2 months furlough pay before the union gave it away. Those furloughed after me got some passes but no furlough pay.
38 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..if that's the way AA "thinks" then why are they rehiring them?
39 Aanyc : Actually, the bidding seniority date for those originally hired by TWA is 04/10/01. Pay and vacation seniority was never adjusted. So each former TWA
40 MiAAmi : Good for you, nobody is forcing anyone to return. Why rain on the other 460 former co-workers parade though? Can't you just be happy for those that w
41 Ckfred : But while having very low seniority in terms of bidding for trips and crew base assignment, I believe that you would retain your TWA seniority in ter
42 Aanyc : The woe is me attitude is getting kind of old. Life is full of choices. It was a choice to stay with TWA until the end when purchased by AA. Some TWA
43 AirframeAS : The way I see it as a strategic course: Recall them back, let the TWA folks retire and then hire new ones off the street. Its all economics 101. It i
44 Panamair : At the end of the day, it's a tradeoff...IIRC, the OP (B767300ER) is currently a LOD (Language of Destination) FA with Delta and can hold trips to pl
45 TWFirst : Yes, each of us may be responsible for our own destiny and life isn't always fair, but the sentiment expressed by B767300ER stems from the following
46 Aanyc : Bidding seniority is a precious commidity for flight attendants. This could have greatly affected ones lifestyle. When I was hired over 20 years ago,
47 LH417AF025 : im surprised with that. I was under the impression that most of the ex TWA folk were a little bit unhappy with the way that they were treated by AA a
48 STT757 : This is great news as I feel the TWA folks got sort of a rough break with the AA deal, all though probably not as bad as if TWA had folded on their ow
49 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...all they had to do was wait a few months more (if I understood the situation properly..but that's a whole different discussion.. )...the travel ma
50 Snn2003 : Woot! My mother is getting recalled. She needed to get out more anyway. Think she'll get her 33 years of seniority back? SNN
51 Aloha73G : As previously discussed, they have their TWA seniority for pay (meaning they are at the TOP of AA's payscale). For scheduling, they have their Date o
52 Mkirch72 : Good for you! To this day I am appalled at how AA lied to the TWA employees. Unfortunately a lot of companies do anything for $$. That's the only thi
53 IAirAllie : Doubt there are many 20 somethings left . Minimum hiring age is 21 and the last AA new hire class still on the senority list graduated in early 2001
54 JFKPurser : Honestly, I am glad to see them coming back. I have flown for AA for 21 years. I value FAs with experience like TWA FAs have. When EA folded, they ca
55 777STL : It may be dependent on seniority and time served, but my aunt received her passes after retiring while on furlough a few months ago. Not sure about a
56 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..yah..that's basically what I was inferring... ...brink? They were done....
57 HPAEAA : Agreeed, amazingly enough my apt broker here in in NY was a ex TWA FA who flew with AA for 6 months then took an early buy out... Call her a kindred
58 777STL : That's up for debate. Carl Icahn did a number on TWA before he was separated. TWA's demise wasn't totally their own fault. And AA most certainly did
59 FLY2LIM : Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, I'm sorry, that was humorous. I'm a teacher. I have 17 years of experience. I'm beyond MA+30. I work in one of the better payin
60 FURUREFA : They all went to BOS LGA DCA and ORD. Not necessarily. They could proffer to International quite easily in certain bases if they have language skills
61 Dl4evr : Never fly AA, but it's great to hear that some of the TWA girls will be back in the skies! I'm sure many will come back. Most of the senior ones (at e
62 IAirAllie : I'm number 1623 on the recall list, seriously I'm the penultimate FA on the recall list at least until mid Oct when I drop off.
63 AACUN : Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 53): AA never lied. TWAer's need to look to their own union and TWA management that lead their airline to the brink if they w
64 STT757 : You need to work on the East Coast, starting salary in New Jersey is between $45,000-$55,000 depending on the district. With only 12 steps.
65 FLY2LIM : STT: No offense, but your paragraph does include the word "New Jersey" in it. I live on the beach in Santa Cruz, one of the most beautiful coastlines
66 MoMan : Excellent point.....welcome to my Respected user list. Let's never forget that TWA did everything (including BK) at AA's request. Short of the acquis
67 Jacobin777 : ...its called "common knowledge"....in 11 years, how many times were they in bankruptcy? Flight 800 had left a stigma with the name of TWA...it was a
68 MoMan : TWA was in Bankruptcy twice in the 11 preceeding years to 2001. Continental was in BK twice from 1983-1993 and look at them today. Point being, there
69 TWFirst : Wrong. The reality was TW was still an operating concern. It did not declare chapter 7 and then various carriers bought its assets at auction. The de
70 Boeing743 : I did not know that DCA is AA hub for flight attendant. All I know it is US Airways. But I am not sure if DL has flight attendants crew base there sin
71 ClassicLover : Is this true? I always thought TW was a bigger outfit back in the 70s and 80s - would love to be corrected though. You sure?
72 Panamair : DL has a small "virtual" or satellite FA base in DCA; "virtual" in the sense that there is no on-site inflight service management or supervisors - ea
73 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ........and the agreement with AA put TW into BK for the 3rd time....which probably would have happened if they did it with another carrier.. ....wel
74 RJpieces : Are they responsible for most of the Shuttle runs? Because it seems like I've had ATL crews my last few times on the Shuttle....
75 Sllevin : See, and at the time I knew several guys who had made the move to TW from regionals, even though most said "well, it's not the airline I'll finish my
76 MoMan : TWA was smart to file BK to get rid of Karabu - I can't imagine any company wanting TWA with the Karabu albatross. Let's not forget that if Karabu wa
77 L1011Lover : That´s not quite correct. Former Pan Am FA´s hired by LH (TXL based) and UA (LHR based) retained most of their seniority. As far as I know UA gave
78 Post contains images Jacobin777 : .....want a better source(s), see below..... ...since you only selectively comment on my quotes, how about selectively commenting on the other quotes
79 Jetdeltamsy : I don't know if the recall requires they fly out of specific bases or not. Does anyone know if they will retain their "super seniority" for STL? If n
80 Jacobin777 : ...I wouldn't be surprised however if they don't get "full retirement".. it seems like a "back-door" retirement plan to me......I could be wrong howe
81 MoMan : TWA didn't ever have a full year profit in the 12 years leading up to the buyout. However, there were some bright spots, and I will look for the AA a
82 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ... ...bwahahaha..they didn't make money in 12 years (full years earnings), made money on some random quarters, were shedding routes, were losing out
83 Baron95 : Great! That is all we need at AA. Several hundred more old flight attendants with an attitude. Obviously the folks that are comming back are, for the
84 MoMan : I'm not sure what your agenda is here......you state that TWA was 'done' but that is just not a fact. I doubt they would have survived past 9-11-01,
85 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....my point was TW was finished as a stand-alone entity...regardless of how it was going to end...be it via acquisition from AA, CO, chapter 7 liqui
86 TVNWZ : AA did not lie. The problem was the AA unions screwed over the TW unions. TW unions had protection under the Allegheny-Mohawk provisions that would h
87 Post contains images TWFirst : TW DID make money on its operations. It's fully-loaded losses were due to Karabu. Since you love to research these things, dig a little deeper. For s
88 Post contains images Jacobin777 : RASM for 97/98/99 was 8.03/8.40/8.32 cents respectfully, CASM was 8.99/9.31/9.5 respectfully, given these data.....where do you think they were makin
89 Sllevin : TW was down to about 4 weeks of operating capital at the time of the AA deal. While others expressed interest AA's deal was the only one realisticall
90 777STL : Many of those "cream of the crop" employees were older. I'd guess many of them were a supplemental income, and not a primary income, so yes, many of
91 September11 : Great new opportunity for those former TWA flight attendants. Anyone know the time frame for dust in this recall scenario to settle down?
92 Post contains links MoMan : http://sec.edgar-online.com/1999/11/.../0000278327-99-000013/Section9.asp I found this to be an interesting read in my limited time to research. I ha
93 Jacobin777 : ...they were done........they had no financial strength left....that's why they were bought out and we don't see planes flying in TW colours. I'm gla
94 Jetdeltamsy : You are correct. TWA was down to, according to some, less than $1 million in the bank when AA took over. AA injected huge amounts of money immediatel
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