727forever From United States, joined Jan 2006, 615 posts, RR: 6 Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14104 times:
I was taxiing out this evening at ATL and low and behold the doors to the Delta TOC Paint shop had just opened to reveal a freshly painted 757 with winglets on a former TWA airframe (different emergency exit config). My camera was packed away so I couldn't get a picture but she does look stunning. The new livery is growing on me but the winglets really set it off. I suspect that others will capture pictures of her in the coming days. The winglets are the same dark blue as the tail. I could not see if the widget was on the outside but it was definately not on the inside.
727forever
p.s. For all the haters on a.net, I did a search to make sure nobody else had started a similar thread. None found.
ZuluLima From United States, joined Jul 2007, 210 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14052 times:
Would this be the first DL 757 with winglets then? Haven't seen/heard of one before. I didn't even know they were planning to do so. Will they retrofit their whole 752 fleet? Can't wait to see.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 12188 posts, RR: 57 Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13955 times:
Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 1): Would this be the first DL 757 with winglets then? Haven't seen/heard of one before. I didn't even know they were planning to do so. Will they retrofit their whole 752 fleet? Can't wait to see.
DL is expected to retrofit all of the ex TW 757s that are coming in with winglets, as they may also use them on transatlantic flights and flights to Hawaii. I doubt that the original DL 757s with the PW2037s will be retrofitted with winglets as well.
Zu fettigem Käse und kalorienreicher Kunstmarmelade, nehme ich einen Doppelkorn.
SCXmechanic From United States, joined Dec 1999, 526 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13795 times:
Per Air Transport World's August 2007 issue, Delta said it plans to install Aviation Partners Boeing blended winglets on 38 737NG's, 10 757-200's and 15 767-300ER's with options to outfit the remainder.
For those of you who subscribe to ATW, its on page 18 under the "EQUIPMENT" section
Aanyc From United States, joined May 2005, 135 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13136 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 6): AA shitcanned alot of their birds after the buyout
???? The reality was that they were in no better or worse shape than our original 757's. In fact in terms of Flight Attendant work space, AA's 757 have much better galley configurations.
1337Delta764 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 3282 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12590 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 6): Glad these ex TW birds found a good home- AA shitcanned alot of their birds after the buyout, so it's nice to see some still living on.
Well, AA did not install overhead bin extensions on the ex-TWA 757s, unlike the regular AA 757s. I hope that Delta gives them overhead bin extensions with holding rails like what Delta's 757s currently feature. I would also like to see the curved ceiling panels like on the Transcon (ex-Song) 757s. The PSUs don't need to be updated, as they are Boeing's newer-style PSUs. I know that on their initial run, they will be in the AA configuration with the Sony Transcom IFE. By the spring of 2008 they will get BusinessElite seating and the Panasonic eFX IFE system.
Alitalia744 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 4301 posts, RR: 47 Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12575 times:
Aanyc From United States, joined May 2005, 135 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12502 times:
The galleys also will not be updated at any time. The galleys on this plane are awful. I cannot even imagine how they will be offering a premium service with duty free and all. There is just no space on this plane. Good luck to those of you who have to work it. Compared to our original 757 at AA, working in the forward galley felt like you were on a 737 or S80.
1337Delta764 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 3282 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12479 times:
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 12): Are the new Delta 757-200ER to get the 777 style interiors with the modernized overhead paneling and bins?
A true 777-style interior is not possible on a 757 since it is a narrowbody. However, some styling cues from the 777-style interior have been adopted by Boeing's newest narrowbodies such as the 737NG and 757-300. Most of Delta's 757s were retrofitted with overhead bin extensions with holding rails in the early 2000s, which in addition to increasing overhead storage, also modernizes the appearance of the overhead bins. Delta also did the same with the MD-88s. In addition, Delta's Transcon (formerly Song) 757s got new curved ceiling panels similar to those on the 737-800. When operating for AA, the ex-TWA 757s got neither of these things, but hopefully Delta installs them. Larger overhead bins are important for transatlantic services.
Based on the photo, it looks like Delta is keeping the old TWA registration numbers.
1337Delta764 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 3282 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12293 times:
Also, I have been wondering whether the economy class seats will get the leather seat covers before or after the PTVs and BusinessElite seats are installed.
United787 From United States, joined May 2005, 1451 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12079 times:
Quoting 727forever (Thread starter): p.s. For all the haters on a.net, I did a search to make sure nobody else had started a similar thread. None found.
So funny...I bet the haters all drink Hatorade!
"We're Generician Airlines, Nothing Special in the Air"
There is no such thing as a 757-200ER. I think I remember reading about Boeing doing some studies some years back on producing a 757-200ER that would have had the -300's wing and undercarriage, but the airlines weren't interested.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 12188 posts, RR: 57 Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11696 times:
Quoting EA772LR (Reply 18): I thought all of TWA's 757's were PW2037 powered???
I believe the ones DL is getting are newer and have PW2040 engines. That's why they're more suitable for winglet conversion because they're not as limited in range as the ones with the PW2040.
Zu fettigem Käse und kalorienreicher Kunstmarmelade, nehme ich einen Doppelkorn.
1337Delta764 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 3282 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11416 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19): I believe the ones DL is getting are newer and have PW2040 engines. That's why they're more suitable for winglet conversion because they're not as limited in range as the ones with the PW2040.
I looked at the FAA's N-Number search, and it says that they are PW2037s. It could be wrong, though.
ElmoTheHobo From United States, joined Aug 2006, 1144 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 10702 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10): Well, AA did not install overhead bin extensions on the ex-TWA 757s, unlike the regular AA 757s.
These aircraft were never slated to stay in the fleet in the long run, the only significant changes to the aircraft's layout was MRTC.
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19): I believe the ones DL is getting are newer and have PW2040 engines. That's why they're more suitable for winglet conversion because they're not as limited in range as the ones with the PW2040.
The ex-TWA 757s are powered by PW2037s.
So enlightened I glow in the dark.
26 ThereAndBack: I flew on TC-SNA last week it is definately not in ATL.
28 TristarCrazy: I saw this 757 in the paint hanger also today, bay 10, with winglets attached. They were painted blue, no widget that I could see. See if I can get a
29 BoeingBoy: Anyone who parks their butt on high density 757 for 5+ hours is in way to much of a hurry IMHO
30 TristarCrazy: I hate spending 2hrs in the cramped coach section of a DL 757....sure don't wanta spend 5+ hours!! But she is a good looking bird....
31 Dutchjet: DL's 757s are not ETOPS equipped or qualified.......I dont think DL will go to the expense of upgrading their current 752s for overseas services. DL
32 AlexPorter: Well, that's only partially true. While it's certainly true that widebodies no longer mean wider seats in Y (except maybe an inch on the 767), there
33 BoeingBoy: Maybe not yet - But there not gonna fly 170 to Hawaii on a 757
34 WorldTraveler: The ex-TW 757s have a Max Takeoff Weight of 252K lb. That alone is the reason why they are suitable for transatlantic operations. In addition, only th
35 TristarCrazy: While I agree with ya wholeheartedly, my 6'3" height makes me a perfect indicator of legroom in coach class and DAL's 757's are the worst in the flee
36 BoeingBoy: They might not want that to loudly publicized.
37 DeltaL1011man: Why? Whats wrong with 767s and 757s?
38 WorldTraveler: DL has over 250 airplanes that have a common cockpit rating and they are one of Boeing's strongest customers. I don't know what there is to be ashamed
39 Flynavy: He probably says that because they aren't state of the art or brand-new. You probably won't hear him commenting negatively on the transoceanic 757 op
40 Alitalia744: If you are who I think you are, should we get into the airline you used to work at?
41 Positiverate: Because...? According to AIr Fleets, the 757 fleet average is just under 16 years. The 767 fleet average is just under 12 years. Hardly old if that's
42 WorldTraveler: Let's chalk that comment up to someone who has no idea of the economics of the airline industry.... and age is irrelevant considering that the 757 has
43 DeltaL1011man: your right DL wont be sending 757s Hawaii only JFK-europe the SLC-Hawaii is a a.net rumor
44 SESGDL: The 757 and 767 are two of the most economical and versatile aircraft ever built, not to mention popular and aesthetically GORGEOUS! That's certainly
45 DAL767400ER: Well, to a certain degree that's wrong, as there is a 757ER, although it is more commonly referred to as C-32 and most of the time used to haul the U
46 BoeingBoy: Negative comment on any 757 transoceanic - you wanna ride on it - be my guest
47 BoeingBoy: I'm a passenger paying a hefty price - I could care less about their seat mile cost. I care about my butt mile comfort.
48 BoeingBoy: " target=_blank>http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/D...s.htm Average - which means take away the 400ER's and your looking at pushing 20 on the 67's an
49 BoeingBoy: Capable has nothing to do with it. A DC-3 and a cessna 172 are capable - whats their seat mile cost ??
50 WorldTraveler: yes, and you don't care about how gasoline is produced but you sure care about the price you pay at the pump. Airlines can't offer a comfortable plac
51 DAL767400ER: Of 131 757s, a mere 28 757s are over 20 years old, definitely a majority there, right ? More like 15. Well, too bad for you, there are thousands of p
52 RobertS975: For the routes that will see trans-Atlantic 757s, there is not much difference between those and trans-continental red-eyes like LAX-BOS or SFO-JFK e
53 BoeingBoy: Assets - since when does Delta have assets - their using what they have (which grows older as we speak) because they can't get any money to buy bette
54 Positiverate: Funny. The TATL 757's will have the same pitch at the 767 and 777. Without knowing how you live your social life I wouldn't begin to comment on your
55 BoeingBoy: We are talking economy here pal - and I bet my butt is smaller than yours.
56 BoeingBoy: So now we have 25 Year old 57's a right sized fleet and on-time performance. But the averages suggest different ? Do we want to buy this airline or F
57 Fanoftristars: Funny that people talk about the 757 being old... DL's freshly painted 757s with the new interior are regularly mistaken for "new" airplanes. Many pas
58 DeltaL1011man: try again oldest 767 is a 767-300 which is about to hit 20 and the old 767-300ER 16 years old old 752s are the ATA birds and there 23 DL oldest is hi
59 BoeingBoy: Oh - Thats very Nice - Exquisite even ???? If thats the new interior - pity those that flew on the old one. YSL must have had something to do with th
60 Alitalia744: So - are you the same BoeingBoy on USAviation?
61 Transpac787: This is not true. NW's 752 fleet has a MTOW of 227,500#, including the TATL/winglet birds. Yea, definitely the wrong website to make such a bet/chall
62 DeltaL1011man: i need some info on these new bird from someone in the TechOps and (probably from AA) 1)ship #s 2)ID code (aka 757-2XX) 3)serial #s 4) tail numbers 5)
63 Papatango: I believe there are now 4 exTWA757-200's on site at Delta one dlvrd on 8/15 and one on 8/16
64 1337Delta764: I know that the ID codes are 757-2Q8, with the Q8 meaning ILFC. Delta is also in negotiations for three 757-231s through Pegasus Aviation, but it is
65 Positiverate: Both. I'm a customer and a shareholder. Genius, I wasn't talking about its size. And you continue not to explain your statement. Must mean you can't
66 77411: I am showing from an earleier post N706TW del 8/14 N707TW del8/15 N709TW del 9/14 N704TW del 9/15 N710TW del10/15 N712TW del 10/15 N713TW del 11/15 N
67 Alitalia744: if anyone wants to check the bird out with winglets take a look at this guys pages... http://traxxmaxmaster.deviantart.com...a-Boeing-757-2Q8-N702TW-1
68 Positiverate: The blue on the winglets looks darker then the blue on the fuselage...
69 Alitalia744: The tail is lit by the overheads, probably just a lighting thing.
70 DAL767400ER: Finally . Definitely better than having the winglets just be grey or white. Surprised that they haven't added "delta.com" to the winglets.
71 Thering: Think there "new" 757s are going to be a lot used on ex-763/4 domestic routes, since they got a lot of these birds for new int'l services.. .
72 1337Delta764: The non-ER 767-300s will remain in domestic configuration, although they may be placed on some international routes in the summer sold as all coach.
73 Dutchjet: The ""new"" 757s, meaning the ex-TW/AA 752s, will be assigned to longhaul transatlantic services primarily from JFK; the ex-TW/AA 752s can easily be
74 LTU932: DL's 763As flying international doesn't necessarily mean they're going transatlantic. Down here at SJO, we get on quite a few occasions one or even t
75 Boeing743: So we know it is TWA 757 by identify the registration number?? I also wonder how people can tell it is part of different airlines?
76 1337Delta764: Registration numbers don't always reflect the airline. For example, Delta's 767-400s all have an "MH" suffix in their registration numbers, and many
77 MoMan: I saw two ex-TWA 757s stitting outside Airside A at DFW on Saturday. I believe they were 721TW and 719TW. I wonder why they aren't flying.
78 DALOCCDtyDrctr: ........they're are actually 2 in the new paint...........ship nbrs 6801 and 6802.....6802 (N703TW) should have winglets by now; and if i'm not mista
79 Tomascubero: Correct, just on a side note, DL just switched from 2x 752 daily to 2x 738 daily, I think also the extra Fri-Sat-Sun red-eye flight has also gone. OA
80 SESGDL: Likely not, as DL is retiring more domestic 763s and will shift some of them to Hawaii services, limiting the amount of mainline equipment available.
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