Starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
This topic has been brought up a couple of times, but regardless of how bad the situation is, nothing seems to get done about it.
Over the last couple of months there have been repeated stories in the US media about passengers stuck on aircraft for anywhere between 6-12 hours. These stories have been news pretty much since the 1999 Northwest Blizzard.
This story is that delays this year has been the worst in years: Link to video
The common threads in are that the airlines are the victims of their own success (or failure) because they have been aggressively reducing fleet size to provide the market with the approximate number of seats that they usually sell. This eliminates extra seats that would otherwise be available to fix weather delays or cancelled filights. Because they have less capacity to deal with these problems, they are more hesitant to cancel flights and let people off- the "let's wait this out syndrome". The airlines have also been scheduling aircraft for minimum downtime, so a delay in one part of the country causes delays thoughout the system.
Now add large numbers of smaller planes, an antiquated ATC system, and vastly reduced customer services to deal with the weather related problems.
We do not seem to be headed in a direction that will make this better.
What is going to have to happen to turn it around?
There are the obvious short and longer term bandaid solutions but the only way to really turn around the industry is to allow it to rationalize. There are way too many carriers - domestically and internationally!
[Edited 2007-08-16 18:50:23]
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Y passengers will have to decide they're willing to pay more for additional customer service. Then, and only then, will the airlines be able to profitably put those resources back in the system.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1485 times:
Quoting Planemaker (Reply 2): There are the obvious short and longer term bandaid solutions but the only way to really turn around the industry is to allow it to rationalize. There are way too many carriers - domestically and internationally!
Loads remain high. Delays are not a product of competition. Delays are a product of frequencies. It doesn't matter whether you have 1 carrier flying 10x a day, 2 flying 5x a day or 5 flying 2x a day. As long as people are filling the seats you are going to need the seats. Perhaps the focus should be on the equipment used. NW flies three CRJs daily from IND to LGA. One 757-200 would handle the same number of seats. That frees up 2 slots. People want frequencies. People however cannot always get what they want.
Now I don't know the amount of time that is allocated per slot so I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass. Lets pretend that the average busy time slot is 5 minutes at LGA. Increase it by 20% to 6 minutes. This should help reduce nasty delays and perhaps force airlines to schedule more responsibly in tight markets.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1387 times:
The problems highlighted by JetBlue in February (planes spending 6-10+ hours on the ground) have, unfortunately, been repeated many times across the US over the past 6 months by many different carriers. Delayed and cancelled flights are way up and it seems that if you are flying out of any major metro area (NYC, for example), just about every day is subject to GDP and increased delays. Airlines definitely pad their block times, but rarely enough to compensate for the current delay averages. I honestly don't remember any stretch like this in recent US commercial aviation history, including the 'crowded' summers of 2000 and 2001. I think it is as bad as it ever has been.
However, I wouldn't go as far to call this a "crisis". The number of flights that have been stuck for 5 or more hours is still extremely low, and the chance of actually being stuck in a plane on the ground for more than 2 hours is remote. Obviously I appreciate the argument that it shouldn't happen at all. At least B6 had an excuse: a really bad ice storm. Most of the chronic delays since then have not had the crutch of weather to lay blame on.
As much as it pains me to say this, I think the government is going to have to intervene at some point. Hopefully it won't take the loss of life to motivate them, but clearly the airlines themselves cannot fix the situation (which, arguably, is not entirely their fault either). I'm not sure of an easy fix though. If the gov't pushes through a Pax Bill of Rights, it either won't go far enough or airlines will be forced to cancel a lot of services in order to avoid the costs associated with BoR penalties. Its not a good situation.
Starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1350 times:
Part of the issue is that the Airlines are rewarded for flying smaller aircraft. Loads are kept high and it keeps empty seats to a minimum. It's about the only thing that is giving the airlines any pricing power at all.
What if the airports were encouraged and allowed to increase the landing fees at congested airports? If it became more economical to fly 73G/319's instead of CRJ/ERJ's, the airlines would have to reduce frequency in order to keep the number of seats down.
That would increase the price of tickets as well. The hyper-competition resulting in $39 fares does not do the infrastructure any good.
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 5480 posts, RR: 35 Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1294 times:
Quoting Indy (Reply 4): Loads remain high. Delays are not a product of competition. Delays are a product of frequencies. It doesn't matter whether you have 1 carrier flying 10x a day, 2 flying 5x a day or 5 flying 2x a day. As long as people are filling the seats you are going to need the seats. Perhaps the focus should be on the equipment used. NW flies three CRJs daily from IND to LGA. One 757-200 would handle the same number of seats. That frees up 2 slots. People want frequencies. People however cannot always get what they want.
There are too many carriers fighting for the same number of pax. Cut the number of carriers in half you still maintain frequency but cut the number of slots used.
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