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The Future Of The New "Midwest"  
User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10591 times:

With most of the drama behind us now, I am curious as to what other think about the future of YX...


I am sure there will be changes... TPG has a proven track record for being in it for the long haul and growing companies. Yes, NWA is involved.. however, they are a minority partner. TPG put up the majority off the cash and will write the checks... so TPG will be the ones calling the shots. NWA primarily invested as a strategic move to keep FL from expanding in MKE. YX has proven many times that MKE belongs to YX and will defend it. Even when YX was knocking on deaths door, they were still able to fend off NWA.

I see the MD 80 replacement program being accellerated, but continued slow steady growth which has proven successful.

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User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10555 times:

I think it will be interesting to see what they do with the product. Will they go forward with the plan to transition to a "traditional" two-class cabin by add Signature and Saver to every aircraft?

Over the past few years they have moved so much work over to Skyway (ramp, etc.) I'm hoping they'll reverse this as it is like the tail wagging the dog.


User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 10503 times:

TPG appears to be very commited and again they proved that last night with raising the bid. I am sure some type of restructuring may take place. I do feel that TPG is in it for the long haul, and I am sure there will be YX haters that will try to convince the world that this is the beginning of the end of YX., and Joe and Co. will release something stating that YX employees better fear for their jobs.. this deal won;t work because of anti trust issues...etc....

It would be awsome as hell to have the original "Midwest Express" back with the china, wine, etc... unlikely, but hell, I am allowed to dream.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 10479 times:

My thoughts on the new Midwest...

Name: Midwest Airlines and Midwest Connect will stay..

Aircraft: 737-700 (mainline), E90 (Mainline), E70 (Skyway), CRJ via Skywest, B1900 vis Big Sky or Great Lakes (goodbye MD80s, FRJ)

Hubs: MKE, MCI, +1

Destinations: Welcome Mexico, Caribbean, Canada, Long Haul International via NW/KLM

Pricing: Relatively the same, maybe up 5%

just some thoughts I had...



Aiming High and going far..
User currently onlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3143 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

Press Release Source: Midwest Air Group

Midwest Air Group Board Executes Definitive Merger Agreement With TPG Capital
Friday August 17, 12:11 am ET
Agreement Provides for $17 per Share in Cash for Midwest's Shareholders

MILWAUKEE, Aug. 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Midwest Air Group (Amex: MEH - News), parent company of Midwest Airlines, today announced that it has signed a definitive merger agreement to be acquired by an affiliate of TPG Capital, L.P. in a transaction valued at approximately $450 million. The merger agreement was unanimously approved by the Midwest Air Group Board of Directors.

Under the terms of the agreement, each outstanding share of Midwest's common stock will be converted into the right to receive $17.00 per share in cash. On December 12, 2006, the last trading day before the public announcement of AirTran's indication of interest in acquiring Midwest, the per share price of Midwest's common stock was $9.08. Midwest has approximately 26.6 million shares outstanding, including shares subject to options, restricted share awards and outstanding warrants.

"This is a significant milestone for Midwest," said Timothy E. Hoeksema, chairman and chief executive officer. "The agreement preserves the airline's status as Milwaukee's hometown airline and the popular Midwest Airlines brand for Midwest's loyal customers and employees. TPG shares our commitment to quality and truly understands the value of a differentiated product. We're looking forward to a long-term relationship with TPG, and benefiting from their strength and experience."

Richard P. Schifter, partner, TPG Capital, added, "TPG is excited about the opportunity to invest in Midwest Airlines, which has managed to preserve a quality of service to its passengers rarely seen today. We look forward to working with management and its highly motivated workforce in driving growth and creating more value. We hope that our industry experience, together with an expanded alliance with Northwest Airlines, will lead to a bigger and better Midwest."

The transaction is expected to be completed in the fourth quarter of 2007. All financing for the transaction is in the form of equity and has been committed. No debt financing is required. The transaction is subject to approval by Midwest's shareholders, as well as other customary conditions, including anti-trust approvals.

The agreement with TPG came at the conclusion of a process in which TPG and AirTran were each asked to submit a "best and final" offer by noon Central time on August 16, 2007. At that time, TPG submitted its $17.00 per share proposal.

The TPG proposal was weighed against a proposal from AirTran of $16.27 per share in cash and AirTran stock. More specifically,


* AirTran proposed to pay $10.00 in cash plus a fraction of a share of
its stock having a value of $6.27 based upon an average market price
during a specified period leading up to closing ("valuation period"),
so long as (i) AirTran's stock averaged between $9.32 and $11.39 during
such period and (ii) AirTran was able to obtain at least $150 million
of debt financing at an interest cost not exceeding 13.5% per annum.
AirTran's debt commitment letters were subject to a "market out"
condition.

* If AirTran's debt financing had not been available on such terms,
AirTran would have had the option of reducing the cash component to as
low as approximately $4.35 per share and issuing a fraction of a share
of its stock having a value of $11.92 based upon an average market
price during the valuation period, so long as AirTran's stock averaged
between $9.32 and $11.39 during such period. In such instances,
depending upon the number of AirTran shares to be issued, the
transaction would have been conditioned upon approval by AirTran's
shareholders.

* If the average stock price during the valuation period were outside the
$9.32 and $11.39 collars, the amount of AirTran shares issued no longer
floated but became fixed. The per share value at closing of the total
consideration could then have been less or more than $16.27 per share.


The Midwest board carefully considered the differences in value, closing conditions and other terms between the TPG and AirTran proposals and unanimously approved the TPG proposal.

Samuel K. Skinner, chairman of the board's special review committee established in connection with the board's exploration of strategic and financial alternatives and former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Transportation, noted that "the board's process was carefully designed to maximize value and the committee received best and final offers from both bidders."

Northwest Airlines Corporation will be a minority passive investor in Midwest Air Partners, LLC, the entity formed to acquire Midwest.

Goldman, Sachs & Co. is acting as financial advisor and Godfrey & Kahn, S.C. and Sidley Austin LLP are acting as legal advisors to Midwest Air Group in connection with the transaction.

Citigroup Global Markets Inc. is acting as financial advisor and Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP is acting as legal advisor to TPG in connection with the transaction.

About TPG Capital

TPG Capital is the global buyout group of TPG, a leading private investment firm founded in 1992, with more than $30 billion of assets under management and offices in San Francisco, London, Hong Kong, New York, Minneapolis, Fort Worth, Melbourne, Menlo Park, Moscow, Mumbai, Shanghai, Singapore and Tokyo. TPG Capital has extensive experience with global public and private investments executed through leveraged buyouts, recapitalizations, spinouts, joint ventures and restructurings. TPG Capital's investments span a variety of industries including travel, technology, retail/consumer, media and communications, industrials, financial services and healthcare. Please visit http://www.tpg.com.

About Midwest Airlines

Readers of Travel Leisure named Midwest Airlines "Best Domestic Airline" in the magazine's 2007 World's Best Awards competition. The airline features jet service throughout the United States, including Milwaukee's most daily nonstop flights and best schedule to major destinations. Catering to business travelers and discerning leisure travelers, the airline earned its reputation as "The best care in the air" by providing passengers with impeccable service and onboard amenities at competitive fares. Both Skyway Airlines, Inc. -- a wholly owned subsidiary of Midwest Airlines -- and SkyWest Airlines, Inc. operate as Midwest Connect and offer service to and connections through Midwest Airlines' hubs. Together, the airlines offer service to 53 cities. More information is available at http://www.midwestairlines.com.

Midwest will file a Current Report on Form 8-K with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "SEC") regarding the merger agreement and attach to the filing a copy of the definitive agreement. All parties desiring details regarding the transaction are urged to review the definitive agreement when it is available on the SEC's Web site at http://www.sec.gov.

In connection with Midwest's solicitation of proxies with respect to the meeting of shareholders to be called with respect to the proposed merger, Midwest will file with the SEC, and will furnish to shareholders of Midwest, a proxy statement. Midwest's shareholders are urged to read the proxy statement when it is finalized and distributed to shareholders because it will contain important information. Shareholders will be able to obtain a free-of-charge copy of the proxy statement (when available) and other relevant documents filed with the SEC from the SEC's Web site at http://www.sec.gov. Shareholders will also be able to obtain a free-of-charge copy of the proxy statement and other relevant documents (when available) by directing a request by mail or telephone to Midwest Air Group, Inc., 6744 South Howell Avenue, Oak Creek, Wisconsin 53154, Attention: Investor Relations, Telephone: 414-570-3954, or from Midwest's Web site, http://www.midwestairlines.com.

Midwest and certain of its directors, executive officers and other members of management and employees may, under the rules of the SEC, be deemed to be "participants" in the solicitation of proxies from shareholders of Midwest in favor of the proposed merger. Information regarding the persons who may be considered "participants" in the solicitation of proxies will be set forth in Midwest's proxy statement when it is filed with the SEC. Information regarding certain of these persons and their beneficial ownership of Midwest common stock as of March 26, 2007 is also set forth in the Schedule 14A filed by Midwest with the SEC on May 16, 2007.

Statements about the expected timing, completion and effects of the proposed merger and all other statements in this release, other than historical facts, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements and any such forward-looking statements are qualified in their entirety by reference to the following cautionary statements. All forward-looking statements speak only as of the date hereof and are based on current expectations and involve a number of assumptions, risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results to differ materially from such forward-looking statements. Midwest may not be able to complete the proposed merger on the terms described above or other acceptable terms or at all because of a number of factors, including the failure to obtain shareholder approval or the failure to satisfy the closing conditions. These factors, and other factors that may affect the business or financial results of Midwest are described in the risk factors included in "Item 1A. Risk Factors" in Midwest's "Annual Report on Form 10-K" for the year ended December 31, 2006.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source: Midwest Air Group


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
Aircraft: 737-700 (mainline), E90 (Mainline), E70 (Skyway), CRJ via Skywest, B1900 vis Big Sky or Great Lakes (goodbye MD80s, FRJ)

Aren't you forgetting the 717? Big grin



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10420 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see MKE-MSP/EWR service to disappear in the near future, as a result of NW, and more outsourcing.

TPG already invested a lot of money in YX so its doubtful they'd inject more. Funding for a new aircraft order or expansion will come from leveraging the Company.


User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10286 times:

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 6):

actually MSP has been a good route for YX and with NW's problems these days- they may actually relinquish a few trips to YX so as to use their unreliable assets in other markets....with NW's code on the YX flights of course.


User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10268 times:

Why are people so sure that NW is going to tell YX when and where they will fly. There is absolutly nothing stating that. No facts....just people assuming..

Quoting Davidlc3 (Reply 7):

actually MSP has been a good route for YX

You are correct. Now if YX could join SkyTeam.


User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10268 times:

Quoting Davidlc3 (Reply 7):
actually MSP has been a good route for YX and with NW's problems these days- they may actually relinquish a few trips to YX so as to use their unreliable assets in other markets....with NW's code on the YX flights of course.

MSP is NW's cash cow and they will do anything to protect market share and pricing power.


User currently offlineDaus From United States of America, joined May 2005, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10232 times:

A few things:

I can't imagine TPG would get into this game without having a national strategy for Midwest. There is very little upside for them to flip the same company they bought (at what may now be an inflated price) 5 to 7 years down the road because they are now flying to Bozeman, MT and Rochester MN and have more efficient airframes.

TPG has said on a couple occasions that they perceive the market moving towards higher service offerings.

Northwest needs to fit in here somewhere, and I just don't buy they are in it to restrain Midwest. TPG wouldn't allow that, it would harm their investement unless there is a backdoor deal to compensate TPG for gains at NWA. As best as I can tell TPG does not currently hold a significant ownership in NWA.

So hear is my guess.... I know it's crazy but it might work....  Smile Signature service comes to Minneapolis and Detroit, flying to all major, business oriented, NWA destinations.

Fire away!


User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10184 times:

Quoting Daus (Reply 10):
So hear is my guess.... I know it's crazy but it might work.... Signature service comes to Minneapolis and Detroit, flying to all major, business oriented, NWA destinations.

I like the idea.. however I would like the "Old" Midwest Express days back.. china, linen, wine..... (Just dreaming)

I think TPG may be thinking something like Virgin America... set us apart.


User currently offlineDaus From United States of America, joined May 2005, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

Quoting N917ME (Reply 11):
however I would like the "Old" Midwest Express days back.. china, linen, wine..... (Just dreaming)

Agreed. For it to work, and to properly differentiate from mainline NWA flights you would need to take the service level back up to pre-911 levels. Not sure the lobster will ever make it back, but a decent steak and little red wine?

[Edited 2007-08-17 16:40:04]

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10167 times:

Hmm.. I see NWA involvement in such a way that NW gets an automatic codeshare focus city at MKE and codeshares on all YX flights out of MKE and probably MCI.. that way they can keep their planes flying where they want.. and still have the opportunity to have the MKE focus city that they disbanded a while back.. keep themselves in the heartland.. I could see perhaps an international flight or two out of MKE on NW metal with a YX codeshare (CUN, NAS, or perhaps even AMS).. but that's about it..

Midwest Express would be great.. perhaps as the Regional carrier.. but leave the main airline as Midwest Airline.

I don't think we will see a great big overhaul of much.. Signature service will probably stay.. Saver service is just normal. Cookies will definitely have to stay. The CRJs will stay. The MD80s, FRJ, and probably the B1900 will probably go by the wayside in my opinion..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently onlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4588 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10053 times:

NW may have absolutely no influence in order to keep the government out of it. If they start to influence operations it could raise red flags.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2465 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9985 times:

Like I've been saying in the other threads...Time to order some 737-800s and some ERJ-145s!!!



(Hope Jbo doesn't mind if I put his pic here!)

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):
I could see perhaps an international flight or two out of MKE on NW metal with a YX codeshare (CUN, NAS, or perhaps even AMS)

NW actually flies MKE-CUN every Saturday, I'm pretty sure its seasonal though. If NW were to start MKE-AMS with a 757 that'd be awesome!!!



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9943 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 14):
NW may have absolutely no influence in order to keep the government out of it. If they start to influence operations it could raise red flags.

Once NW's transaction receives government approval, they can influence the operations however they choose. Unless they have antitrust immunity, the only area the can't collude is pricing.


User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 470 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9850 times:

How about NWA buys Midwest from about TPG about five years from now , what happens then?

User currently offlinePaladin87 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9825 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):
Hmm.. I see NWA involvement in such a way that NW gets an automatic codeshare focus city at MKE

NWA already has a marketing alliance with MEH

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 17):
How about NWA buys Midwest from about TPG about five years from now , what happens then?

According to TPG that may happen even sooner.


User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 470 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Quoting Davidlc3 (Reply 7):
so as to use their unreliable assets in other markets....

What NWA assets are "unreliable" in your estimation ?


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9779 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
Aircraft: 737-700 (mainline), E90 (Mainline), E70 (Skyway), CRJ via Skywest, B1900 vis Big Sky or Great Lakes (goodbye MD80s, FRJ)

Where are the 717s?

I really don't see why any embraer 70/90 would be necessary with the 717 fleet.



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User currently offlineCloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9745 times:

I don't really see how Northwest even will have much influence over Midwest. They are a minor investor, so they don't have control that way. They will not be on the board, so no management influence. I think that the Northwest issue is a bit overblown. What I think the Northwest deal is about is an option for the future in partnership.

Personally, TPG has already said they see value in a differentiated product. I don't think they are going to push to align Midwest with more traditional airlines. While they say they are still going ahead with the cabin reconfiguration, quite frankly I have my doubts about that. I think it will hurt them in attracting the average business flyer. That ultimately IS their product differentiation, and I think if they give it up someone will take their place.



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User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9514 times:

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 19):
What NWA assets are "unreliable" in your estimation ?

300 year old DC9s and a highly disgruntled work force yield an "unreliable" operation.


User currently offlineSacamojus From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

Quoting Cloudboy (Reply 21):
I don't really see how Northwest even will have much influence over Midwest. They are a minor investor, so they don't have control that way. They will not be on the board, so no management influence. I think that the Northwest issue is a bit overblown. What I think the Northwest deal is about is an option for the future in partnership.

NW might take a passive role on this, but they still are a large investor and could threaten to pull their share if they don't like what they see. I don't think the NW deal was about a partnership as partnership could have been formed with less money. I don't really see why NW buy a portion of an airline with no plans for control unless they want to use the "dividends" as a source of cash for growing their own airline. Who Knows?


User currently offlineCloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

Do we honestly know that NW's investment is large? That almost seems like an assumption everyone is making. The TPG guy even alluded to the fact that he was unsure of how big their portion was (which would not be true if it was significant), AND he was not sure it would be big enough to even warrant investigation. Which also indicated it may not be much. I think it may be more of an out for TPG in case it goes bad, and a kind of insurance policy for Northwest in case TPG wants to sell so it doesn't get scooped up by someone else. The fact that discussions about it have only been in talks for a few weeks seems kind of like it's not a major undertaking for Northwest.


"Six becoming three doesn't create more Americans that want to fly." -Adam Pilarski
25 Davidlc3 : I would agree with your line of thinking but if they are to have no say so, no control, why be part of the deal at all? TPG is quite capable of raisi
26 Post contains images PVDCMHOZ : My theory on the future of YX: In about 3-5 years time, YX will be nothing more then either: A NW Airlink partner for the "Red Tail." ala Midway II be
27 Jmc1975 : Since they are now in bed with Northwest, I can see all the 717s moving over to the NW operation, while giving all the DC9s back to YX and eventually
28 N822ME : Northwest isn't even a big enough part of this to warrant a seat on the new board. I think you're just talking out of your nether-regions here. And w
29 N822ME : You forgot another side to this: The revenue to YX via this codeshare isn't anything to balk at..... selling YX tickets through to intl destinations
30 Paladin87 : ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo!My Yahoo!Mail Make Y! your home pageYahoo! SearchSearch:Welcome, rcbergjr [Sign Out, My Account]Finance Home -Help Home InvestingM
31 Cloudboy : Simple - it's not just raising the capital, it's putting capital at risk. NW's investment simply reduces the amount of capital TPG has to put up fron
32 Boeing7E7 : 737-800 and 717-200 CRJ 200 - OO
33 MCOflyer : I hope they get new planes. They need to retire those MD80's and replace them with 737's. Hunter
34 Sllevin : I think what NW's done is buy enough influence to keep YX working with them in something they see as valuable, and has garnered the ability to keep YX
35 HermansCVR580 : Northwest 1986 + Northwest 2007= Northwest Northwest 2007 + Midwest 2007 = 2007 version of 1986 Republic Midwest is the modern version of Republic. Pl
36 Knope2001 : It doesn't say a thing either way. Until the point...which may never come...that NWA buys Midwest, their investment in Midwest can be just as passive
37 N917ME : WHAT???? Where did you get your crack?? NW does not need or want the 717's. If they did, then the 717 would still be rolling off the Long Beach assem
38 JustPlaneNutz : Knope as usual deconstructs things pretty well. 3 things I would add: 1) TGP was brought in this by NW and will most likely get out of it by NW. You c
39 Knope2001 : I'm not so sure we know this. I think it's likely that TPG was approached by Midwest. As it became clearer that AirTran was succeeding in their tenac
40 SkyyMaster : Huh? Republic was the amalgamation of three old "local service" carriers. I'm not sure what you mean here. Care to elaborate? As stated, your post re
41 N911YX : I have a suspicion that NWA may not be around in 5 years, having been absorbed by another in a large consolidation. More than likely though will be t
42 Cloudboy : Again, I think the NW investment is a lot smaller than a lot of people are making it out to be. They won't say who contacted who, but we know TPG was
43 N908AW : I'm confused. Did I miss an announcement? As far as I know, YX isn't flying to either RST or BZN.
44 HermansCVR580 : What I meant is this is the modern version of Northwest eventually swallowing up another great airline. Republic may have been a larger airline, and w
45 JustPlaneNutz : I am fairly certain that I read a Schifter comment that TGP was approached by NWA, but I may be wrong. At any rate, both Knope and Cloudboy are correc
46 Bobnwa : RC was not larger than NW by any by any meaningful measurement. What great airline would that have been. If your talking about RC, they were hardly a
47 CO777DAL : I would like to see Midwest and MAXjet hookup. I think if they merged it would help both airlines. What do others think? I would also like Midwest to
48 Post contains images JBo : Not at all! Share away! I fail to see why YX would dump 717s that are, at most, not even 5 years old for another fleet of brand-new aircraft to serve
49 N911YX : I am convinced, convinced I tell ya, that Midwest will maintain it's slow and steady growth. The replacement of the MD-80s is nearly a certainty as Ti
50 Cloudboy : Growth, absolutely. Slow? Not so sure about that one. Midwest is a business airline. And yet, they miss most business routes, and their route structur
51 N911YX : It makes a great deal of sense when you have limited resources to research carefully before jumping into new markets from your established hubs (MKE-
52 A340313X : I think A320s would look top in YX colours. Whatever they decide for a new fleet good luck to them!
53 SkyyMaster : Good point. I think RC did claim they served more cities in the US than any other carrier at the time, but as you say, they were not bigger by any me
54 Cloudboy : I am not so sure that increased capacity is going to have a very direct correlation to increased revenue. If you start putting saver service on all y
55 N911YX : You are correct. The Midwest Miles Executives will use their points to upgrade to a wider seat. If YX didn't allow such a deal they would be remiss. E
56 N822ME : My understanding of it is that it won't be like a two-cabin. In fact, the top coach fares will book directly into it. Materially, nothing will be dif
57 SkyexRamper : How about when the company doesn't want to keep paying for their operational issues as there are many. I'd like to see the 328Jets replaced by on Sky
58 SFOQQAA : I would hope the first order of business would be to bring Midwest back to a consist product. As a long time YX fan and frequent flyer from 1986 I wis
59 Cloudboy : People aren't going to be loyal to "odds are". They want assurances that they are going to get what they expect. That is what killed TWA's more legroo
60 Longhaulheavy : Milwaukee can handle a low level of international flights, and it would be really cool to see an AMS flight out of there. There's definitely a demand
61 SkyexRamper : While watching CH. 58 here in MKE I saw something horrifying on tv....the first time ever seeing an AirTran commercial that jabbed at affordable airfa
62 Atpcliff : Hi! Other posters said that NWA is putting up 40% of the cash for this deal. cliff YIP
63 JBo : Doesn't make it confirmed. Not certain if we'll ever know what percentage NW actually put up.
64 Mariner : Why is that bitterness? I would have thought it good business sense. Things have changed in MKE. Airtran is not competing with the "old" Midwest anym
65 JustPlaneNutz : As a publicly traded company, it will show up at the SEC in NWA'a balance sheet.
66 Knope2001 : That number comes from a live interview with Carol Skornika on WTMJ in Milwaukee early last Monday morning. I heard her words live. It was not a dire
67 N822ME : Given what little information is out there now, it's hard to make concrete statements. What is known is that not just the top fare coach will book in
68 Post contains images Daus : They are not. I was just pointing out that kind of expansion wouldn't be the type of stuff TPG would be interested in. They need something a little b
69 SkyexRamper : Because they have never ran a TV commercial in MKE before, but this just happens to come after AirTran has the door shut in their face.
70 Post contains images Daus : They have been running that commericial for a couple weeks now. Don't much like AirTran, but it is a good commercial.
71 Cloudboy : Who will it be known to at booking? Your typical business traveler does not jump on Expedia to book an airline ticket for his next trip. What usually
72 Mariner : I understood that, and I still think it is good business sense. Airtran is not going to up and leave MKE - they're going to compete, and compete very
73 Post contains images MKENut : I was surprised to see the commercial too. Although AirTran has indicated they have no plans to expand MKE atm. I would not put it past them to go ah
74 Mariner : It follows a fairly classic pattern, and not just for Airtran. From what has been said here, I would guess most of Milwaukee has been aware of the re
75 MUWarriors : How do you figure? They will still be a hometown company because their headquarters will still be in Milwaukee (well Oak Creek if you want to be tech
76 Mariner : I agree they will attempt to spin it as such - I think that is what I said - but provably, it is no longer true. It may not have been true before, bu
77 MKENut : I'd like to see MKE-SJC, MKE-MSY and MKE-SAN myself. As for MCI, I can see more mainline and regional routes added than they would at MKE. But how wi
78 Post contains images SkyexRamper : Guess I don't watch enough CH. 58 then...
79 Airbusaddict : well hopefully they will start two daily Dorniers to FSD!!!! lol
80 M404 : In an opposite direction to what might happen to Midwest I'd like to see NW adopt many of the cabin amenities to their own domestic product. Instead o
81 SkyexRamper : 737s are the confirmed MD-80 replacements. Look for public news toward years end. The 737s are the last standalone midwest business decision. All othe
82 Mke717spotter : If that's true that's certianly good news. Are they going to order brand new 737s or get some used ones?
83 PlanesNTrains : AirTran wasn't going to spend good money advertising in MKE if they were gonna drop $400M or whatever on YX. Seeing that be a non-starter, it was tim
84 Post contains images MKENut : I agree with you. I hope for the best for both airlines. Doom and gloom predictions are getting old.
85 Mikesairways : As would I - since I'm prob moving to MKE land in a couple months it would be nice to have the non-stop home.
86 SkyexRamper : The internal memo wasn't specific about new or used, just that 737s are coming and to expect further details toward the end of this year.
87 Goingboeing : But....and this is important - YX is not a low cost carrier. If they try to play to the MSP market that they are some sort of "low fare" alternative
88 Cloudboy : Ah, but NOT if your typical traveler expresses a strong preference for a particular airline. Actually, not a ton of corporate travelers use Expedia a
89 Noise : Will Midwest push more into Canada? The reason I ask is because I remember a while back seeing a document listing YUL as one possible Midwest/AirTran
90 MKENut : I think YUL and YVR would work for YX. If anything make them seasonal first to see how well they do. I'm not sure if YX is even considering more Cana
91 Goingboeing : Oh...I used to travel pretty much every week. At the time, my "preferred" airline was Delta...but if AA had a better fare or routing, then my prefere
92 JBo : I think TPG is more focused on increasing revenues through means other than cutting costs ... but time will only tell what will happen.
93 Cloudboy : There's two aspects of your reasoning that show conventional thought, and are great examples of why Midwest's product makes so much sense. First, you
94 Airbusaddict : Are they any routes that Midwest/Skyway have on the D328 that could be upgraded to the CR2 and leave two D328's open for a possible MKE-FSD, FAR, etc
95 SkyexRamper : Yes. BNA, CLE and probably IND could be all CRJ
96 Airbusaddict : okay, thanks. now what about the schedules, is there a flight leaving indy between the hours of 6:00 and 8:00a and is their a flight leaving indy at 5
97 LEARJETMIAMI : Look like will be part of Airtran?
98 SkyexRamper : I would love to Gordon Bethune as the new Midwest CEO, then we could have someone with real airline experience at the helm. Especially someone who kno
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