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NW>AF @ CDG In Jan '08  
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

The last two times I have connected at CDG it has been pretty nasty.

Call me a gluten for punishment, but I'm doing again in January '08 (DTW-CDG-VIE, MUC-AMS-MEM-DTW) on WorldPerk Award tks in WBC.


Have there been any improvements for transfer pax? Does/will NW still park at a hardstand or do they have gates now?

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User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Difficult to say, at this stage, whether NW will have a gate in January 2008 as the new satellite, S3 is not fully opened yet, but will be by then, with another interim phase in October. Flights to VIE will be unchanged, leaving from 2D.

User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Have there been any improvements for transfer pax? Does/will NW still park at a hardstand or do they have gates now?

I was flying VIE-CDG-DTW-TYS on July 10 2007. The NW50 flight departed from some kind of 2E remote terminal. I had to take a bus from 2E to this remote terminal. There was an AF business lounge there (no shower) and we were boarding the A330 from the gate (we were not bused).



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 1):
Difficult to say, at this stage, whether NW will have a gate in January 2008 as the new satellite, S3 is not fully opened yet, but will be by then, with another interim phase in October. Flights to VIE will be unchanged, leaving from 2D.

Thanks!
So, does this mean that regardless of where NW 50 arrives, we still have to exit one terminal and pass through security again?

Quoting Jano (Reply 2):
The NW50 flight departed from some kind of 2E remote terminal. I had to take a bus from 2E to this remote terminal. There was an AF business lounge there (no shower) and we were boarding the A330 from the gate (we were not bused).

I had to do that last year as well, I was kind of hoping that things had gotten better.


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

I just flew CDG-DTW in WBC yesterday. We left from gate E72 in Terminal 2. When we arrived we also arrived at almost the same gate and not a remote stand. I'm not sure if it works that way all the time.

I want to add that we also used the Air France lounge near the gate and it was awesome! I'm sort of thinking that it was rather new though I can't be certain. There was some media there filming and interviewing passengers. Also we filled out a questionaire about what we thought of the lounge. There was everything we needed there including showers.

[Edited 2007-08-18 01:32:38]


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User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
Thanks!
So, does this mean that regardless of where NW 50 arrives, we still have to exit one terminal and pass through security again?

CDG is your point of entry in the Schengen area. Basically, it is equivalent to your return flt, with MEM as the entry point in the US and then a domestic flt to DTW.
You have to clear customs first, then security for te domestic flt.
I just hope that with the new satellite fully operational, your CDG experiece will be nicer.

Teva



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2814 times:

Quoting Teva (Reply 5):
CDG is your point of entry in the Schengen area. Basically, it is equivalent to your return flt, with MEM as the entry point in the US and then a domestic flt to DTW.
You have to clear customs first, then security for te domestic flt.

Yes, I know that, but in other facilities in Europe, (AMS for one) one doesn't need to exit the sterile zone, and re-enter.

But that really wasn't the point of my question.

I just wanted to know if the NW/AF connections had gotten smoother by not having to do the "hard stand" parking.

I'm flip flopping on the issue though, cause it is really cool to board through those stairs and get a good look at the A/C on one hand, on the other, it's a pain to have to run through CDG just to make a skyteam to skyteam connection.


BTW....in February when I did this same trip, I wanted to snap a few shots at the bottom of the stairs to the plane, but security was "really against" that and told me no pictures. What's up with that/


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
BTW....in February when I did this same trip, I wanted to snap a few shots at the bottom of the stairs to the plane, but security was "really against" that and told me no pictures. What's up with that/

I had that exact same experience this week flying CDG-MXP. I was able to take a couple of pics before they said something but they told me to put the camera away. That seems silly to me that a passenger is not allowed to take a photo of the airplane they are about to travel on.



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User currently offlineSTJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
Yes, I know that, but in other facilities in Europe, (AMS for one) one doesn't need to exit the sterile zone, and re-enter.

When I went through AMS in December (MSP-AMS-CDG) we had to go through customs then through security to get to the gate where my KLM flight was leaving out of.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 6535 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting STJ (Reply 8):
When I went through AMS in December (MSP-AMS-CDG) we had to go through customs then through security to get to the gate where my KLM flight was leaving out of.

You might have gone thru customs but not security in AMS.


User currently offlineSTJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
You might have gone thru customs but not security in AMS.

I'm pretty sure it was security, metal detector and etc. I distincly remember them saying the bag for my liquids was to big and made me change it to the European standard plastic bag. This was after we went through customs.


User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
You might have gone thru customs but not security in AMS



Quoting STJ (Reply 10):
I'm pretty sure it was security, metal detector and etc. I distincly remember them saying the bag for my liquids was to big and made me change it to the European standard plastic bag. This was after we went through customs.

Yes you do have to go through it again. Security control has been reinforced. Now coming from an international flight and having a connecting flight to the Shengen area, you have to clear immigration control and security control again.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 11):
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
You might have gone thru customs but not security in AMS



Quoting STJ (Reply 10):
I'm pretty sure it was security, metal detector and etc. I distincly remember them saying the bag for my liquids was to big and made me change it to the European standard plastic bag. This was after we went through customs.

Yes you do have to go through it again. Security control has been reinforced. Now coming from an international flight and having a connecting flight to the Shengen area, you have to clear immigration control and security control again

Yes sir, you are correct. Any non-Schengen going to Schengen goes thru Passport Control then Security to get to the B and C gates, where all Schengen flights depart from. Any other flights will get security at the gate...


User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
So, does this mean that regardless of where NW 50 arrives, we still have to exit one terminal and pass through security again?

In CDG, as well as in several other European airports, such as FCO, VIE, ATH, you always clear security when boarding a flight, whether you are connecting from another flight or not.

And yes, regardless of the exact stand/gate used by NW50, you will need to clear immigration, go landside, walk toward 2D and clear security to enter the gates area in 2D.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 6535 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 13):
And yes, regardless of the exact stand/gate used by NW50, you will need to clear immigration, go landside, walk toward 2D and clear security to enter the gates area in 2D.

Do you have to claim your luggage, clear customs and then re check it?


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 12):
Yes sir, you are correct. Any non-Schengen going to Schengen goes thru Passport Control then Security to get to the B and C gates, where all Schengen flights depart from. Any other flights will get security at the gate...

Thanks, I hadn't realized that this had changed in AMS.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 14):
Do you have to claim your luggage, clear customs and then re check it?

No.


User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 14):
Do you have to claim your luggage, clear customs and then re check it?

No, you may be stopped for a check of your carry-ons, but this has not happened to me for at least the past six years  Wink


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