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Why Did AA Go With Oneworld?  
User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 6567 times:

why is it that AA decided to join oneworld, they are the only US carrier in that alliance, it seems like they would have gone with star alliance to have a couple US carriers to work with.

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User currently offlineAAEXP From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 6563 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Thread starter):
AA decided to join oneworld

AA did not join OW, they founded it.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9488 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 6563 times:

When you're the only game in the country ... you just have yourself to worry about.


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User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 6543 times:

Oneworld was launched in 1998 when American Airlines, British Airways, Canadian Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Qantas Airways set it up. In other words they didnt join Oneworld as such...

 Smile


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

Remember that until about 5 years ago, Skyteam just had DL (KLM-AF Merger brought CO and NW) and Star just had UA... CO, NW, KLM had there 3 way... and US and HP were on their own....


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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

At the time, Oneworld was the only other airline alliance besides Star which already had a U.S. carrier - UA.
They were also delveloping a close relationship with BA so they decided to create an alliance along with four other carriers.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

None of the alliances had more than one founding member in the US.

oneworld - American Airlines
Star Alliance - United Airlines
Sky Team - Delta Airlines.

It was only because of proposed mergers or strong relationships between carriers that other carriers have joined that alliance.

US was to merge with United, but this never took off - Ive forgotten why, but its *A membership comes from that.

KL was merged with AF, so NW followed its trans-atlantic partner into skyTeam. Continental was already close to NW, and together with DL the three formed a strong North American alliance within the larger skyTeam group.

So, AA did not go "with" oneworld, but founded it. Just as UA and DL did with their respective alliances. Now, how the founding members choose each other is another story!

Brian.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 6):
but this never took off - Ive forgotten why

...something about the DOJ?  Wink


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

CO, NW, and KLM initially proposed a fourth alliance known as the "Wings Alliance". Alitalia was slated to join the Wings Alliance, but instead chose to join SkyTeam. Malaysian Airlines and Air Europa also considered joining the Wings Alliance. All of this never happened. Delta began to codeshare with NW and CO, which was the first nail in the coffin for the Wings Alliance. Before Air France and KLM merged, KLM considered joining either SkyTeam or Oneworld. They even considered ending their alliance with NW. When KLM was bought out by Air France, that was the main driving force into bringing KLM into SkyTeam and the final nail in the coffin for the Wings Alliance.


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Thread starter):
why is it that AA decided to join oneworld, they are the only US carrier in that alliance, it seems like they would have gone with star alliance to have a couple US carriers to work with.

oneworld markets itself to the premium business traveller - and arguably AA has the best product of all the US airlines, and continues to do so. Not to mention they are the biggest airline in the world



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6288 times:

Another interesting fact - OneWorld carriers are more profitable than all the Star Alliance and SkyTeam carriers combined...

[Edited 2007-08-18 21:33:27]

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
oneworld markets itself to the premium business traveller - and arguably AA has the best product of all the US airlines, and continues to do so. Not to mention they are the biggest airline in the world

Agreed -- oneworld has done a great job of catching up with Star Alliance in terms of catering to the business traveler. I personally think they're the best alliance, but sure wish that SQ was in oneworld rather than Star!



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 10):
Another interesting fact - OneWorld carriers are more profitable than all the Star Alliance and SkyTeam carriers combined...

Absolutely... rather than focussing on growing from 2001-2004, they focussed on working together to get through the bad times. Hence, lots of profits, AA the only legacy not to go BK, and so on... an example of this was QF taking AA 738s (in AA config!) from Jan 2002.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6513 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
They even considered ending their alliance with NW.

Please give any info to back that statement up. Let me just say that those intimately involved with NW/KL alliance, don't know anything about it.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 13):
Please give any info to back that statement up. Let me just say that those intimately involved with NW/KL alliance, don't know anything about it.

NW Says Alliance With KLM May Come To An End - Aug 6, 2003



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 10):
Another interesting fact - OneWorld carriers are more profitable than all the Star Alliance and SkyTeam carriers combined...

And no Oneworld carriers have been forced to file for bankruptcy, unlike several Star and SkyTeam members.


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5934 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
And no Oneworld carriers have been forced to file for bankruptcy, unlike several Star and SkyTeam members.

Canadian Airlines sure came close, and they ended getting bought out because of their bad finances.


User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

SQ could have easily been a part of Skyteam had it been (Skyteam) around at the time. They were very cozy with Delta for years, although I can't recall specifics that led them to gravitate towards UA and Star. Obviously some of the minor players in the various alliances have changed directions over the years, but I do agree that from top to bottom, oneworld has the best product, and my airline of preference is Delta.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 16):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
And no Oneworld carriers have been forced to file for bankruptcy, unlike several Star and SkyTeam members.

Canadian Airlines sure came close, and they ended getting bought out because of their bad finances.

Yes you're right. I was only thinking of current members of the various alliances.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5811 times:

I think that The Star Alliance has become too big IMHO. Their route system overlaps so much that pretty much any flight within their system is a codeshare. I guess it's good for frequent flyers, but how do you delegate which person will fly on what airline and what particular route when you have all these airlines flying to the same place? And how do you mark the pricing in such an alliancem, with so many over-lapping route structures? I mean, heck, you could book your ticket on United.com from JFK-BKK and end up flying Lufthansa to Frankfurt, Singapore Airlines to Singapore, and Thai Airways to BKK. Or they could just put you on the Thai A345 flight nonstop, or they could make you fly JFK-PHL-LAS on US then transfer you to a United flight to OAK and make you take a train to SFO and fly you out on ANA to NRT then only to switch you to SQ to SIN and then Thai to BKK.

I mean at least AA/BA got it right when they stopped doing codeshares (if they ever did) on transatlantic flights to and from the US-UK.

UAL


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 19):
I mean at least AA/BA got it right when they stopped doing codeshares (if they ever did) on transatlantic flights to and from the US-UK.

umm.. that wasn't by choice... they couldn't get the DOT approval since they were 2 of the 4 carriers into LHR..



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 19):
I think that The Star Alliance has become too big IMHO. Their route system overlaps so much that pretty much any flight within their system is a codeshare. I guess it's good for frequent flyers, but how do you delegate which person will fly on what airline and what particular route when you have all these airlines flying to the same place? And how do you mark the pricing in such an alliancem, with so many over-lapping route structures? I mean, heck, you could book your ticket on United.com from JFK-BKK and end up flying Lufthansa to Frankfurt, Singapore Airlines to Singapore, and Thai Airways to BKK. Or they could just put you on the Thai A345 flight nonstop, or they could make you fly JFK-PHL-LAS on US then transfer you to a United flight to OAK and make you take a train to SFO and fly you out on ANA to NRT then only to switch you to SQ to SIN and then Thai to BKK.

...some of its alleviated by such things such as "revenue sharing" which UA/LH does on its TATL ops. Once AA/BA get "ati", I wouldn't be surprised if we see something along the lines with them. I think it would help both on certain routes....while it obviously wouldn't help on other routes.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 19):
I mean at least AA/BA got it right when they stopped doing codeshares (if they ever did) on transatlantic flights to and from the US-UK.

Actually American and British Airways would love to codeshare on each other's flights across the Altantic. It's the DoJ that is so opposed to it.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
Once AA/BA get "ati", I wouldn't be surprised if we see something along the lines with them. I think it would help both on certain routes....while it obviously wouldn't help on other routes.

If AA/BA get ATI, I doubt that revenue sharing will be permitted on many, if any routes. In particular - DFW/ORD/NYC/LAX/MIA-London will be restricted in terms of AA/BA collaboration. Delta/Air France's Anti-Trust Immunity did not cover all routes, as there were restrictions on how much collaboration was allowed on some key routes, including (but not limited to) CDG-ATL/NYC/CVG.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 19):
or they could make you fly JFK-PHL-LAS on US then transfer you to a United flight to OAK and make you take a train to SFO and fly you out on ANA to NRT then only to switch you to SQ to SIN and then Thai to BKK.

FYI, US Airways does not fly JFK-PHL, and UA doesn't fly LAS-OAK.



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User currently offlineELTENELEVEN From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Thread starter):

because they wanted to



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25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..hence why I stated "certain routes".....
26 ElmoTheHobo : Understood. I was just nit picking. The only routes I could see AA/BA be allowed to codeshare on are their non-London-USA, as well as RDU/PHL/BWI/IAD
27 Post contains images UAL777UK : Thats a definaite "arguably".
28 AeroWesty : Actually, AA/BA do codeshare over the Atlantic. Their voluntary avoidance to codeshares is limited to flights in/out of LHR. BA's JFK-MAN flight is c
29 NYC2theworld : If you call the DOT preventing them from doing such "voluntary". As has been stated many times, AA/BA do not code share or even allow Frequent Flyer
30 AeroWesty : It most certainly is voluntary. Point to any decree from either side of the pond which prohibits a single codeshared flight on behalf of BA or AA bet
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...I would say there are other markets however, such as JFK-MAN, MAN-ORD....one of BD's most profitable route is ORD-MAN....of which 80-90% is actual
32 ElmoTheHobo : You are right, there is no decree preventing transatlantic codesharing, there was, however, a decree that prevented airlines from countries that didn
33 Post contains images AeroWesty : That is correct. There's a definitive thread on this entire subject either on here or at flyertalk.com regarding all the specifics. The common misund
34 Post contains images NYC2theworld : Which is why I said LHR only... They would rather keep their distinct operations instead of give up slots (and thus routes) at LHR in order to get ATI
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