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Air Liberte/AOM/Air Littoral Combined Fleet  
User currently offlineManuel From Portugal, joined Aug 2004, 1 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2388 times:

What might the combined fleet of the maybe-to-come Air France rival look like? Air Liberte/AOM/Air Littoral operate

A fleet that couldn't harmonize worse. I believe they should focus on the new CRJ-700/-900 as a F28/F70 replacement since they already operate the CRJ-100 in large numbers, and the A319/A320 as a replacement for the 737, MD-83 and F100, due to commonality to the A340. The DC10 must leave soon in order to be competitive on AF-longhaul flights. They should be replaced by the A330-200/-300 and the A340.
Looking forward to other possibilities!

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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4132 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (14 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2360 times:

Yes Manuel, you're right. I would also suggest to replace the 737, MD-80 and F100 with the A319/320/321(?).
The A340 would fit perfectly in the SAirGroup strategy.

Kind regards,

User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

why couldn't the MD80 F100 and 737 bee replaced with 737NG and 717?
Also there is no need for replacing the DC10

tg 747-300

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User currently offlineManuel From Portugal, joined Aug 2004, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Swissair and other Qualiflyer members fly the A320, but of course you can be more flexible with the four members of the 737NG, and the -600 is more economical than the A318/A319. But I believe the commonality with the Swissair and Sabena Airbus fleet is most important. They can save lots of money on maintenance, training and handling.

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Boy, could this fleet be any less oganised! MD80s, 737s, Fokkers, A340s, DC10s, CRJs, ATRs, HA! No wonder SAir is getting killed in France, maintaining, organising, and fueling this fleet would be absurd....

I would keep the ATRs, great planes, operated cheaply...Europe still isn't RJ crazy like US. And RJs while customer appreciated are not always cost effective...

Keep the CRJs too and add gradually with flights that make sense, but use ATR where it doesn't (like AA in Miami and Carribean).

F.28, F.70, should be retired quickly, although I don't know where they would go..F100 could be kept for a little while but it seems every one is getting rid of theirs (JI, US...) AA isn't adding any.

737-500 and MD83 are good planes, keep both is my recomendation, but begin to bring in A32X class planes with the oldest Boeing and MDC models leaving first.

DC-10s out now! They are in bad shape too. Replace with leased A330 and A340 ships untill new orders from Toulouse are delivered...

Air Liberte should assume Sabena A340s that aren't being used, Johanesburg and Newark were recently cut for that airline's network.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5585 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (14 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

If you look at SAirGroup's fleet it will be the 320 family on shorthaul and the 330/340 on longhaul.

User currently offlineGibberish From Switzerland, joined Sep 2000, 424 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

I agree with ZRH.

The SAir Strategy: An all Airbus fleet. It would be very suitable.

A320 family on shorthaul
A330 / A340 family on longhaul

I can't wait to see the airline be profitable!

User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1767 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (14 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2328 times:


Re: the F70s and 100s - here in Australia, Flight West is apparently desperately searching for additional F100s and F70s to replace their F28s. The word here is that they are impossible to get hold of as the demand worldwide for them is so great...

I could understand the problem with the F-28s though - they'd probably just have to be scrapped.

I also vote for a A318/319/320/340 fleet with CRJs for smaller capacity.

Out with the DC-10s, MD-80s, 737s, ATRs.

User currently offlineManuel From Portugal, joined Aug 2004, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

I heard that Malev wants to get rid of their F70s, KAL is phasing out their F100s, British Midland wants to sell their F70s and F100s. Now if even the tiny Montenegro Airlines of the Federal Rep of Yugoslavia can get F100s, Flight West should be able to do so as well, don't you think?

User currently offlineCarnival air From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

I just came from Borders, and on one of their air magazines (i don´t remember which one). I read that if the merger goes through, the new airline would have a new name and a compleatly new identity. It said that the first airliners to go would be the Fokker 70/100, and their are eyeing the A320/ 321? or 319? (I forgot wich of the two)
As for long haul planes they plan to stay witht the A340, and for last they will also replace the MD´s and 737 plus they will stay with the regional aircraft.

**look for the magazine I know that it was not Airliners, Air World nor Airways**

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