EI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1514 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19855 times:
I travelled on a 747-400 Combi on LHR-PEK with CA (B-2460). The obvious difference inside is that the cabin seems a lot smaller. There were three economy sections and one first class cabin on the lower deck. However, apart from the cabin space, there is little other difference between a regular 744.
It looks like I was a little off. The KLM-400 Combi flight I meant to identify flies AMS-BKK-TPE. Airfares on KL's BKK-TPE-BKK leg were quite a deal..... $230rt. TG and BR wanted over $500 for that same trip.
I'm leavin on a jet plane. Don't know when I'll be back again....
YYZ757FAN From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19414 times:
Quoting LouA340 (Reply 11): Doesn't KLM also fly the combi's into YYZ sometimes?
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 12): They have, however the current schedule is a full pax 747-400
KLM still flies the combi into YYZ on a regular basis. They use the combi as KL691/692 on the days that they also have the 777 comming for the second flight of the day. I believe they have the second flight 3-4 days a week for the summer schedule
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 29459 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 19174 times:
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 2): KLM flies them to quite a few destinations. On the KLM website you can find more information about destinations and schedules.
All except 5 KL 744s are combis.
Quoting B742 (Reply 5): Former operators include Air Canada, Canadian Airlines and Malaysia Airlines.
Canadian Airlines never operated any 744 combis. Their 4 744s were all-passenger. AC did have 3 744 combis. One is now with Air India and two were converted to full freighters and are now with Air China.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 29459 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 19147 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 17): Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
To where does this a/c flies to. Didn't know that LH had 744M
I also didn't know LH has the 744Combi. Does LH indeed use the 744Combi?
LH took delivery of 7 744 combis (those listed in Reply 15). However I believe they now operate as all-passenger aircraft and have done so for quite a while. There are numerous A.net photos of these aircraft and they are identified as 747-430M.
B742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3834 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 19131 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20): LH took delivery of 7 744 combis (those listed in Reply 15). However I believe they now operate as all-passenger aircraft and have done so for quite a while. There are numerous A.net photos of these aircraft and they are identified as 747-430M.
That is correct. Same is the case with the Air France 744Ms I beleive.
MD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 19089 times:
Air Namibia used Boeing 747-48EM (V5-NMA; "Welwitschia") on flights from Windhoek to Johannesburg, London Heathrow and Frankfurt. It was delivered new from Boeing and the carried fresh cargo (284 pax, 40 tonnes of cargo; had used 763 to replace 747SP but didn't have enough cargo space). It is widely known that Air Namibia got good financing on this from Boeing.
FlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 18489 times:
I sat next to a 5 time Olympian in the Equestrian events on the way to the 2000 Games in SYD. I believe it was KLM that he indicated was one of the world's foremost carriers for transporting horses. If memory serves it was his preferred carrier because on the combies, at the time, they would allow the owner to visit the animal in flight. Can anyone else corroborate this? Again, we are talking 80's 90's.
...are we there yet?
: Forgive my error I was going by the SkyTeam timetable which shows the 747-400, a KLM flight operated by MH to Kuala Lumpur when indeed you are correc
: KL still carries quite a few horses. Following from their cargo website: Leading stables and equestrian teams rely on KLM Cargo to carry thousands of
: Isnt LAX one of the top markets for this? -JD
: I flew KLM from AMS to LAX on Nov. 2001. The flight was operated by a 747-400M and I sat on the very last row in front of the cabin wall that separate
: Yes they do, but the doors havent been used in a couple of years, and all those fly in a full pax. config. BTW lufthansa even changed the cockpit's E
: I know that Air China flies them sometimes or all the time from SFO to Beijing. I flew on B-2467 last July to Beijing and in the bakc they were loadin
: The 74M is dead ! At least, there will be no new ones built in the future, neither will there be a 748 replacement in a form of a combi, unfortunately
: I use to fly with them on the KUL-BKK sector in the early 90 's but understand that all are converted to full PAX now.
: Yep, they were converted to full pax aircraft in the late 1990s and are now being converted into freighters
: Well AI uses VT-AIM 'Sundarbans' whenever it is in a flyable condition (AI guys really believe that plane is jinxed - burst tyres, bird hits and a awf
: Flew with KL back in 2002, AMS-JFK on 747-300 Combo, or at least was supposed to. Do to a fuel leak/misshap with had shut down all engines right befo
: I recall flying the KLM 747 combi YUL-AMS. The arrangement at the time was main deck loading at the aft end of the A/C, but not including the far righ
: Also flown by SA . It was a Combi that caught fire and crashed into the sea off Mauritius (SA 295 -"Helderberg") killing 140 passengers and 19 crew I
: Are you sure, that this is regulation is still in effect ? I was on a KL 74M flight from AMS to ORD last December and wee had cars and whatever freig
: Quoting B742 (Reply 5): Air France - 02 Boeing 747-428M F-GISB F-GISE Air France doesn't fly anymore B744 in a -Combi version. AF Used to operate 6 B7
: KL 611 ORD KL 643 JFK KL611 LAX KL 661 IAH all of these flights are 74M combis
: HI! I think sometimes KL uses them on the AMS-MEX run... Regards, AeroMexico777
: Did F-GISE get a conversion? I flew this bird in 2001 and I did not think it was a combi, but I was upstairs in biz, so who knows...
: Perhaps this is a dumb question but: Do the ones in all pax configuration have the cargo doors removed when placed into all pax config?
: F-GISE was a -Combi. But in 2001, it was already reconfigured in an All Pax version. F-GISE is scheduled to be the third AF B744 to be converted into
: FlySSC, thanks for the perspective. So, F-GISE was built/delivered as a -Combi, converted to all pax, and will soon be all Freight?
: I think they have to meet the latest cargo compartment fire suppresssion standards but they're certainly not banned or KL wouldn't be able to operate
: KLM uses the B74E network wide, and these are all the flights they are currently used on: KL553/554 CAI (selected flights only) KL565/566 NBO (select
: Thanks for the update. I suppose what I had read about a while ago (on this website) referred to A/C without the required fire suppression equipment,
: Safety reasons? What exactly are the safety concerns of the US government and why is the permission not granted when the 74M has proven to be safe? I
: ...LH does operate the mentioned 7 combi a/c's but in full pax configuration as mentioned. They were converted to full pax when the regulations in la
: have you noticed only foreign airlines fly the 747combi. U.S. airlines would be required to have the cargo in the front instead of the rear of the air
: Correct. Same thing for F-GISA & F-GISB. On the following picture, you can see clearly the side Cargo Door on F-GISE View Large View MediumPhoto &cop
: My guess is that there is a concern that passengers with ulterior motives might have access to their baggage, or to dangerous cargo that is not as sc