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747-400 Combi - What Airlines/Routes Fly This A/C  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3033 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17091 times:

The title almost speaks for its self...

I know Asiana flys these aircraft on a number of long haul routes and was wondering if there were many other airlines flying them?

Is the inside passenger cabin just like a shortened 747-400 and carries less passengers?

Do Boeing offer like a change facility, where the rear half of the cabin can be converted back to a passenger cabin, or is a combi aircraft permanently a combi aircraft?

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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17073 times:

KLM sometimes fly the combi AMS-PVG on the regular scheduled service

Yes they can be converted, which is why they usually have windows in the cargo section.



User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17074 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I know Asiana flys these aircraft on a number of long haul routes and was wondering if there were many other airlines flying them?

KLM flies them to quite a few destinations. On the KLM website you can find more information about destinations and schedules.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Is the inside passenger cabin just like a shortened 747-400 and carries less passengers?

You wouldn't notice you are in a 74M, only the cabin ends somewhere near the end of the wing. The rear wall covers the entire width of the cabin, and is not curved as in normal airplanes.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17068 times:

FYI

http://www.klm.com/travel/gb_en/trav...ard/seating_plans/747-400Combi.htm


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17046 times:

KLM flies them to IAH


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16973 times:

Eva Air - 10 Boeing 747-45EM
B-16403
B-16405
B-16406
B-16407
B-16408
B-16409
B-16461
B-16462
B-16463
B-16465

Air India - 01 Boeing 747-433M
VT-AIM (Ex Air Canada)

Asiana Airlines - 04 Boeing 747-48E
HL7415
HL7417
HL7421
HL7423

KLM - 17 Boeing 747-406M
PH-BFC
PH-BFD
PH-BFE
PH-BFF
PH-BFH
PH-BFI
PH-BFK
PH-BFM
PH-BFO
PH-BFP
PH-BFR
PH-BFS
PH-BFT
PH-BFU
PH-BFV
PH-BFW
PH-BFY

Air China - 08 Boeing 747-4J6M
B-2456
B-2458
B-2460
B-2467
B-2468
B-2469
B-2470
B-2471

Korean Air - 01 Boeing 747-4B5M
HL7480

Kuwait Airways - 01 Boeing 747-469M
9K-ADE

Lufthansa - 07 Boeing 747-430M
D-ABTA
D-ABTB
D-ABTC
D-ABTD
D-ABTE
D-ABTF
D-ABTH

Air France - 02 Boeing 747-428M
F-GISB
F-GISE

Former operators include Air Canada, Canadian Airlines and Malaysia Airlines.

Some of the above aircraft now operate in full passenger configuration.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16955 times:

KLM also flies them on the AMS-TPE-BKK route. I was going to fly on the TPE-BKK leg a year ago last May but CX's All Asia Pass was a better deal for the trip I was planning.


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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16945 times:

I have been on several with KL LAX-AMS / AMS-BKK also I have been on BR TPE-BKK / BKK-TPE / TPE-SFO and also OZ on LAX-SEL (Kimpo)


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User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16945 times:
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I travelled on a 747-400 Combi on LHR-PEK with CA (B-2460). The obvious difference inside is that the cabin seems a lot smaller. There were three economy sections and one first class cabin on the lower deck. However, apart from the cabin space, there is little other difference between a regular 744.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16923 times:

Quoting EI787 (Reply 8):
travelled on a 747-400 Combi on LHR-PEK with CA (B-2460). The obvious difference inside is that the cabin seems a lot smaller

Yes mine was like that also. Feels a bit like your on a SP.


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16889 times:

KLM 747-400Combi

AMS-IAH 1010am
AMS-JNB 1030am
AMS-ORD 1030am
AMS-MEX 100pm
AMS-LAX 115pm
AMS-HKG 320pm
AMS-PEK 535pm
AMS-JFK 620pm
AMS-PVG 625pm
AMS-BKK 845pm
AMS-CAI 845pm

-JD


User currently offlineLouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16743 times:

Doesn't KLM also fly the combi's into YYZ sometimes?


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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16728 times:

Quoting LouA340 (Reply 11):
Doesn't KLM also fly the combi's into YYZ sometimes?

They have, however the current schedule is a full pax 747-400

-JD


User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16595 times:

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 6):
KLM also flies them on the AMS-TPE-BKK route.



Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 10):
KLM 747-400Combi

AMS-BKK 845pm

It looks like I was a little off. The KLM-400 Combi flight I meant to identify flies AMS-BKK-TPE. Airfares on KL's BKK-TPE-BKK leg were quite a deal..... $230rt. TG and BR wanted over $500 for that same trip.



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User currently offlineYYZ757FAN From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16504 times:

Quoting LouA340 (Reply 11):
Doesn't KLM also fly the combi's into YYZ sometimes?



Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 12):
They have, however the current schedule is a full pax 747-400

KLM still flies the combi into YYZ on a regular basis. They use the combi as KL691/692 on the days that they also have the 777 comming for the second flight of the day. I believe they have the second flight 3-4 days a week for the summer schedule


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16440 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Lufthansa - 07 Boeing 747-430M
D-ABTA
D-ABTB
D-ABTC
D-ABTD
D-ABTE
D-ABTF
D-ABTH

To where does this a/c flies to. Didn't know that LH had 744M



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User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16407 times:

Kl used to (or still on certain days?) fly 74M to CGK from AMS.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16333 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
To where does this a/c flies to. Didn't know that LH had 744M

I also didn't know LH has the 744Combi. Does LH indeed use the 744Combi? I also remember MH flying the 744Combi to AMS. Doesn't MH have the 744Combi anymore?

A388


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16307 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):

Air India - 01 Boeing 747-433M
VT-AIM (Ex Air Canada)



Quoting B742 (Reply 5):

Air China - 08 Boeing 747-4J6M
B-2470
B-2471

All regulars into LAX...



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25468 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16264 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 2):
KLM flies them to quite a few destinations. On the KLM website you can find more information about destinations and schedules.

All except 5 KL 744s are combis.

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Former operators include Air Canada, Canadian Airlines and Malaysia Airlines.

Canadian Airlines never operated any 744 combis. Their 4 744s were all-passenger. AC did have 3 744 combis. One is now with Air India and two were converted to full freighters and are now with Air China.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25468 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16237 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
To where does this a/c flies to. Didn't know that LH had 744M

I also didn't know LH has the 744Combi. Does LH indeed use the 744Combi?

LH took delivery of 7 744 combis (those listed in Reply 15). However I believe they now operate as all-passenger aircraft and have done so for quite a while. There are numerous A.net photos of these aircraft and they are identified as 747-430M.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16221 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
LH took delivery of 7 744 combis (those listed in Reply 15). However I believe they now operate as all-passenger aircraft and have done so for quite a while. There are numerous A.net photos of these aircraft and they are identified as 747-430M.

That is correct. Same is the case with the Air France 744Ms I beleive.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16179 times:

Air Namibia used Boeing 747-48EM (V5-NMA; "Welwitschia") on flights from Windhoek to Johannesburg, London Heathrow and Frankfurt. It was delivered new from Boeing and the carried fresh cargo (284 pax, 40 tonnes of cargo; had used 763 to replace 747SP but didn't have enough cargo space). It is widely known that Air Namibia got good financing on this from Boeing.


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Another African carrier, Air Gabon was supposed to get a 747-400M as part of an order for 74Ms, 763s and 737NGs.




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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2536 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16121 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Eva Air - 10 Boeing 747-45EM

One of the routes is TPE/SEA/EWR and back. I had read here on this forum quite a few months ago that BR was going to dump all their 744s in favor of 773s. Anyone know if that is actually the case?


User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15579 times:

I sat next to a 5 time Olympian in the Equestrian events on the way to the 2000 Games in SYD. I believe it was KLM that he indicated was one of the world's foremost carriers for transporting horses. If memory serves it was his preferred carrier because on the combies, at the time, they would allow the owner to visit the animal in flight. Can anyone else corroborate this? Again, we are talking 80's 90's.


...are we there yet?
25 FLYGUY767 : Forgive my error I was going by the SkyTeam timetable which shows the 747-400, a KLM flight operated by MH to Kuala Lumpur when indeed you are correc
26 Viscount724 : KL still carries quite a few horses. Following from their cargo website: Leading stables and equestrian teams rely on KLM Cargo to carry thousands of
27 FLYGUY767 : Isnt LAX one of the top markets for this? -JD
28 Prinair : I flew KLM from AMS to LAX on Nov. 2001. The flight was operated by a 747-400M and I sat on the very last row in front of the cabin wall that separate
29 Qantas744ER : Yes they do, but the doors havent been used in a couple of years, and all those fly in a full pax. config. BTW lufthansa even changed the cockpit's E
30 Apollo13 : I know that Air China flies them sometimes or all the time from SFO to Beijing. I flew on B-2467 last July to Beijing and in the bakc they were loadin
31 Paneuropean : The 74M is dead ! At least, there will be no new ones built in the future, neither will there be a 748 replacement in a form of a combi, unfortunately
32 FXMD11 : I use to fly with them on the KUL-BKK sector in the early 90 's but understand that all are converted to full PAX now.
33 1stfl94 : Yep, they were converted to full pax aircraft in the late 1990s and are now being converted into freighters
34 Cricket : Well AI uses VT-AIM 'Sundarbans' whenever it is in a flyable condition (AI guys really believe that plane is jinxed - burst tyres, bird hits and a awf
35 Post contains images SASDC8 : Flew with KL back in 2002, AMS-JFK on 747-300 Combo, or at least was supposed to. Do to a fuel leak/misshap with had shut down all engines right befo
36 SSTsomeday : I recall flying the KLM 747 combi YUL-AMS. The arrangement at the time was main deck loading at the aft end of the A/C, but not including the far righ
37 Flymad : Also flown by SA . It was a Combi that caught fire and crashed into the sea off Mauritius (SA 295 -"Helderberg") killing 140 passengers and 19 crew I
38 Post contains images TOGA01 : Are you sure, that this is regulation is still in effect ? I was on a KL 74M flight from AMS to ORD last December and wee had cars and whatever freig
39 Post contains links FlySSC : Quoting B742 (Reply 5): Air France - 02 Boeing 747-428M F-GISB F-GISE Air France doesn't fly anymore B744 in a -Combi version. AF Used to operate 6 B7
40 Paladin87 : KL 611 ORD KL 643 JFK KL611 LAX KL 661 IAH all of these flights are 74M combis
41 AeroMexico777 : HI! I think sometimes KL uses them on the AMS-MEX run... Regards, AeroMexico777
42 B4REAL : Did F-GISE get a conversion? I flew this bird in 2001 and I did not think it was a combi, but I was upstairs in biz, so who knows...
43 DAYflyer : Perhaps this is a dumb question but: Do the ones in all pax configuration have the cargo doors removed when placed into all pax config?
44 FlySSC : F-GISE was a -Combi. But in 2001, it was already reconfigured in an All Pax version. F-GISE is scheduled to be the third AF B744 to be converted into
45 B4REAL : FlySSC, thanks for the perspective. So, F-GISE was built/delivered as a -Combi, converted to all pax, and will soon be all Freight?
46 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : I think they have to meet the latest cargo compartment fire suppresssion standards but they're certainly not banned or KL wouldn't be able to operate
47 HB-IWC : KLM uses the B74E network wide, and these are all the flights they are currently used on: KL553/554 CAI (selected flights only) KL565/566 NBO (select
48 SSTsomeday : Thanks for the update. I suppose what I had read about a while ago (on this website) referred to A/C without the required fire suppression equipment,
49 TrijetsRMissed : Safety reasons? What exactly are the safety concerns of the US government and why is the permission not granted when the 74M has proven to be safe? I
50 Post contains links and images DABZF : ...LH does operate the mentioned 7 combi a/c's but in full pax configuration as mentioned. They were converted to full pax when the regulations in la
51 Paladin87 : have you noticed only foreign airlines fly the 747combi. U.S. airlines would be required to have the cargo in the front instead of the rear of the air
52 Post contains links and images FLYSSC : Correct. Same thing for F-GISA & F-GISB. On the following picture, you can see clearly the side Cargo Door on F-GISE View Large View MediumPhoto &cop
53 SSTsomeday : My guess is that there is a concern that passengers with ulterior motives might have access to their baggage, or to dangerous cargo that is not as sc
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