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Breaking News: China Airlines Ac On Fire At Naha  
User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 50287 times:

http://www.nhk.or.jp/english/

Headline news banner stating CI120 TPE-OKA, should be B738, on fire at Naha Airport. 155 passengers onboard.

JSD


"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 50235 times:

"All 155 passengers aboard have been safely evacuated."

Thank God. This could have been horrible.  pray 



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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 50209 times:

Definitely a B737-800, with winglets, as seen a moment ago on CNN International...Completely destroyed, smoldering. If reports are true, all 155 onboard and crew escaped safely...

Glad to see that it appears to be no fatalities, but this will mark the second NG to be w/o (after the GOL 738/W).

JSD



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineAsuflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 50173 times:

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 2):
but this will mark the second NG to be w/o (after the GOL 738/W).

3rd A Kenya Airways 738 was the second w/o.

I wish for the best and hope everyone got out okay.


User currently offlineDM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 50172 times:

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 2):
Definitely a B737-800, with winglets, as seen a moment ago on CNN

Yup, 737-800 it is. Saw it a minute ago too.

Great to hear everybody made it out safe.

DM


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 50061 times:

Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 3):
3rd A Kenya Airways 738 was the second w/o.

And you would be right. I completely forgot about that one (as has the news, what's happened with this investigation?)...

B-18616 was what it looked like, reg. wise, from the CNN I pictures they were showing. Plane was at the hard stand already and folks were already deplaned, according to this news report:

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/sports/2007/08/20/119129/Taiwanese-jet.htm

JSD



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 49750 times:

Quoting DM (Reply 4):
Great to hear everybody made it out safe.

Apparently there are four crew members unaccounted for  Sad .

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=287706

Regards, JetMech



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 49752 times:

Very good news that the passengers were evacuated safely, here's hoping for the aircraft crew since the media reports aren't entirely clear.

[Edited 2007-08-20 04:53:47]

User currently offlineHoons90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 49726 times:
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Picture and video here:

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/2007/08/20/k20070820000071.html

[Edited 2007-08-20 04:58:06]


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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 49687 times:

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 5):

B-18616 was what it looked like, reg. wise, from the CNN I pictures they were showing. Plane was at the hard stand already and folks were already deplaned, according to this news report:


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User currently offlineCabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 49526 times:



Damn, that must've been scary.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 49488 times:
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Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 49132 times:
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Wow... these last couple of days have been lucky for Aviation. (Considering.) First, the attempted hijacking, now this... Who says there is NO hope for survival? I'll just direct them to this incident!

[Edited 2007-08-20 05:47:23]


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User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 799 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 49088 times:

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 13):
Wow... these last couple of days have been lucky for Aviation. (Considering.) First, the attempted hijacking, now this... Who says if there is a plane crash there is NO hope for survival? I'll just direct them to this incident!

This is not a plane crash.

Shame to see another 737NG W/O, such a waste of a great bird. Fingers crossed that nobody was hurt though.


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 48988 times:

THANKFULLY everyone got out safely. Kudos to the crew!

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 13):
Who says if there is a plane crash there is NO hope for survival? I'll just direct them to this incident!

this one comes to mind too...

http://www.twaflight843.com/

[Edited 2007-08-20 05:48:04]


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 48788 times:

Does anyone know how old this bird was?


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User currently offlineTPEcanuck From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 48597 times:

Taiwan news says the plane was 5 years old.

User currently offlineJogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 48531 times:

If it is B-18616, then it was delivered 7(july)/26/2002.

Josh



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User currently offlineBlueSkys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 48533 times:

"The plane's left engine exploded minutes after it was parked, a transport ministry official said. "

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/a...fire_at_Okinawa_airport__2nd_Lead_


How does an engine explode on the ground @ idle? Is that possible, AME's?


User currently offlineBRxxx From Taiwan, joined Aug 2007, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 48373 times:

Taiwan news reports say that the pilot didn't know about the fire until the ground staff told him. Also passengers say that before landing they had smelled something burning.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 48232 times:

Seeing a video of that plane burning brings a tear to my eye since I spend every day looking at brand new 737s being built and rolling out of the factory. It's so sad to see one be destroyed.

Two injured crew members, but that seems to be about it. Good work to the cabin crew if the passengers were in fact on board when it happened! They deserve the same praise of the AF cabin crew that successfully evacuated the A340 in YYZ. If only crew members were hurt then you must assume they were going above and beyond the call of duty to make sure everyone was safe. It's sketchy now whether they were on board at the time, but the forward and rear exit doors are open with slides deployed, but the overwing exits appeared not to be deployed.

[Edited 2007-08-20 06:25:55]


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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47628 times:

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 19):
How does an engine explode on the ground @ idle? Is that possible, AME's?

The engine wouldn't be idling minutes after being parked at the gate - either the APU or GPU would be in use.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47379 times:

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 19):
How does an engine explode on the ground @ idle? Is that possible, AME's?

a fuel leak can only effectively pool in/under the engine when parked. in flight, it would drip/blow out. even taxiing, it might not collect.

so if it was a fuel leak problem, I would expect it to become most dangerous once the jet has parked for a few minutes and a critical volume of flammable liquid/vapor has collected.

just a guess, no evidence it was a fuel leak, but it is one possibility.



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 46110 times:

Glad no one was injured.


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 46016 times:

Wow, this has been a bad year for the B738... no write-offs in its first eight (or so) years in service and all of a sudden 2007 brings three write-offs.

25 Airnewzealand : You would not open the Over Wing exits if not safe (as is the case in this instance) The crew have done a very FINE job... and training at CI is obvi
26 Seamefly : So to those of you who thinks that FA job is just to serve peanuts and coke, I hope this would shut you up! Our primary job is your safety. To get you
27 Wdleiser : awesome show of destruction to the aircraft. Glad everyone made it out alright. This along with the AF A340 show how fast and destructive fires are to
28 SASDC8 : Great that everyone got out ok. According to Norwegian media, the only injury was on one of the crew members and not seriously, so this would be an ex
29 Post contains links Centrair : Since the other thread is not seen I will post the links to Japanese video news. (in Japanese) Yahoo Japan Video news JNN Video Click on 56 or 300 NNN
30 Cricket : Two successful evacuations from flaming aircraft in two years, if only all accidents were like this. Thank God! Pity about the plane though.
31 TWAtwaTWA : Any more news or video details of what actually went wrong?
32 Chiawei : From the Japanese news. The following information is known. The NAHA tower controller did verify that the left engine was smoking during the landing.
33 MEA-707 : Not to be pedantic but the GOL accident was on 29 Sept 2006, so this is the 3rd W/O "in a year" (the last 12 months) but the 2nd W/O "this year" (200
34 Centrair : CNN's last sentence in their article The 1994 one was at old NGO. 246 died when the CI A300-600R crashed and went off the runway. There is a memorial
35 Fxmd11 : It does remind me when a TG 737-400 on March 3rd 2001 at BKK burst in flames. One died. Similiar scenario. Might be again a Air Conditioning Problem o
36 MarkHKG : The survival of the passengers and crew undoubtedly have something to do with the enhancements made to the B737 after the Manchester Air Disaster. Gla
37 BRxxx : This might be a stupid question but is there a possibility that there was a bird strike in the engines? Since the control tower says that there was sm
38 Brenintw : BRxxx, it's possible -- I would say very little can be ruled out at this point. However, it would have to be a pretty hefty bird I would imagine -- e
39 B777ER : Link in the original post has a good video of it including the evac from the plane. Good video quality...amazing seeing the explosion just after the l
40 Post contains images HowSwedeitis : Hey MarkHKG, I think your signature works quite well on this thread!! Crane maybe?
41 Carpethead : First off all, everybody escaped with no major injuries. Aircraft don't spontaneously combust or explode. There has to be some igniter and ignitee. He
42 Post contains links HAWK21M : http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20070820-0 Was just going thu this site & noticed it. Surprising. & no fire warning. Something is no
43 Post contains images NoUFO : This incident really baffles me. The 737 looks as if it would suffer from pain.
44 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6954397.stm Latest news from BBC.
45 VS239 : I really, really hope that this report is in the wrong section of the China Post. Hardly a sport is it ?
46 Carfield : Everyone is evacuated, according to the ETTV News... the crew members reported missing were safe... eight of them in total (two cockpit crew and 6 F/A
47 MarkHKG : I'm curious-- is it typical for a China Airlines B738 to have 8 crew members (6 cabin crew)? I'm only use to seeing WN and B6 planes that have a cabin
48 Post contains links Expatmatt : Evacuation was partially caught on video: http://www.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/index.html Click this link and select the appropriate video player. Apolo
49 MarkHKG : Does anyone know if this aircraft had a fuel tank inerting system installed? (For some reason, I'm thinking it does because it is a 737NG plane.) One
50 HowSwedeitis : The video from the helicopter, (On BBC) shows what looks like people running away on the tarmac. (Behind the tail of the plane) Are those the PAX?
51 198467 : I do not think those are PAX, they looked more like foam to me..
52 Jetfuel : I wonder what they are going to check??? You need to know what you are checking for
53 Climb1 : Just been watching that video from the link on the first post (NHK). The eyewitness video that shows the moment of the explosion. It does look pretty
54 MarkHKG : Is that at all surprising? There are escape ropes in the 737 cockpit for the flight crew to use in an evacuation, and the side window slides open, al
55 B747-4U3 : B-18616...that was just released in a special Herpa Wings 1/500 scale 3 pack for inflight sales on China Airlines flights. I guess they'll have to re-
56 JohnKrist : And if you look in the image in post 43 you can clearly see the rope hanging out of the cockpit window. Thank god all went OK!
57 EDICHC : I appreciate that this is an unverified account from a passenger but this does not add up. if something was evidently wrong that early and burning co
58 Jetfuel : Japan's transport ministry said the fire started in an engine on the left wing of the plane after an oil leak. Somehow that seems to simple
59 Post contains images EMA747 : Just read this. What a lucky escape for the pax, could have beeen another very grim day for avaition. Sad to see such a nice bird lost in the this way
60 Post contains links DavidkunzVIE : http://news.orf.at/video/iptvpopup.html?japan_plane_update_edit.wmv I hope that link works...
61 Levent : Exactly. I was watching the reports on Channel News Asia this morning and the news anchor kept saying that the plane had crashed... very annoying. Al
62 Post contains images CPDC10-30 : Do the facts prove otherwise? China Airlines has in no uncertain terms the worst safety record of a major airline operating from a developed country
63 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Here is another pic' released by the AP: Amazingly no one was injured in this mishap!
64 TristarSteve : The engine fire warning system only covers the part of the engine where the gearbox is, and up under the cowlings. The inside of the engine is on fir
65 Cricket : Will they be able to salvage any parts from this aircraft?
66 767Lover : Then again, the crew managed to evacuate everyone quickly and safely, so in that case --without knowing what caused the fire -- I would say the safet
67 Tdscanuck : It did not. There are only two 737NG's with fuel tank inerting flying today. Fuel tank inerting doesn't help you once a fire has started, since it's
68 HAWK21M : Makes no sense. Exactly what Im saying.You have a fire on the powerplant & the crew dont know.What about EGT.The fire warning would come on some time
69 Bozo :
70 Cricket : My god, the videos are quite dramatic.. the plane must've been fully-fuelled for the return trip as well..
71 SandroZRH : The video in the original poster's link indeed suggests that the engine was the cause of the fire. Click the link, there's a video link on the right s
72 YOWza : Holy shit those pictures are quite scary. Imagine being a nervous flyer and rolling up to the gate to see that wreckage parked next to the plane you a
73 Post contains images Airbazar : Nah, only American FA's I do hope that this accident finaly puts to rest the misconception that the pleasant FA's normaly hired by Asian carriers can
74 Calvin99 : good that noone is injured... but quite sad to see the B738 being consumed by the flame..!! slightly off topic... the news in HK is reporting that CI
75 Movingtin : I wouldn't say "minimal damage". they are designed to contain any failure of blades and continue to run. Most large bird strike events end up being a
76 Post contains links MarkHKG : Thanks for the correction. I must admit that I'm mulling over this safety study which sort-of-but-not-really suggests that there are some previous ac
77 Post contains images AnMCOSon : Wow, this is freaky, or a weird coincidence, call it what you want, but not too long ago, maybe last month, on tv there was a program on, (think it mi
78 Ikramerica : It really does, doesn't it? It's like an injured animal, a beached whale or something. They are both operated by CI, so how is not unrelated? Because
79 Tdscanuck : I'm in a position to see news like that pretty quickly...haven't see anything official yet. Based on the studies so far, it would protect a very smal
80 Zeke : saw in another article "Taiwan's Civil Aeronautics Administration head Chang Kuo-cheng said authorities ordered China Airlines and its subsidiary Man
81 FlyDreamliner : I've read that one of the engines "exploded." strikes me as strange that an oil leak generated engine fire would take place at idle during taxi and du
82 Ktachiya : I am glad for the pax and everyone being safe but it was a close one since they plug in the APU shortly after the ac pulled up to the gate. I am glad
83 Post contains links Esajh : This is an analysis, at a very early stage, of what possibly caused China Airlines CI-120 to explode at the gate. It has interesting facts and informa
84 HAWK21M : Has boeing Issued an Alert SB or AD on this. regds MEL
85 Usair320 : I saw the headline on CNN this morning and aw PAX rapidly evacuating. Kudos to the crew!! they deserve similar praise as the AF 358 crew.
86 Platinumfoota : I'm just glad no one was hurt first of all, great job by the F/A do get everyone out and the crew. Always sad to see an aircraft being destroyed, spec
87 Citation750x : This could have been a crash if it happened during flight. Lucky for plane to be on the ground before this fire.
88 Brick : The explosion that happens just as the last passenger is off of the aircraft looks like a tire from one of the main gears exploding to me.
89 Tdscanuck : No. Until they have a cause, there's nothing they could put in an SB or AD anyway. Boeing usually releases a message to all operators when there is a
90 Jerald01 : Why the sour-grapes comment? The poster who stated the F/A's primary job is SAFETY is absolutely correct. EVERYTHING they do, including boarding pass
91 Post contains links BlueSkys : This is a birdstrike, a bird can do PLENTY of damage! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tmX70ff0bA
92 Airbazar : No, it relates to customer satisfaction. An FA is first and foremost a customer service agent. Yes, they do receive safety training for the rare inci
93 SP90 : Amazing videos. Click on the first one, right around 35-36 seconds into the video you see a very brave guy with the fire extinguisher. I don't know w
94 SASDC8 : You are probably right, but saw a documentary about ORD and their emergency services, and they claimed to reach anywhere within the airport in under
95 Kaitak : Third 737 NG loss - after Gol and Kenya Airways? Most European flights I've been on (BA, Aer Lingus), involve one of the crew saying, "we're here for
96 FriendlySkies : I'm sorry you feel that way. Yes, customer service is an important part of the FA's job, but safety always comes first. It doesn't take weeks to trai
97 Esajh : Tom I disagree with you. I read the link to the TWA 800 NTSB report and the quote is right. “The official cause of this accident was ‘…an explos
98 Flying Belgian : Poor frustrated idiot. Open your eyes (if you can).[Edited 2007-08-20 21:01:53]
99 Tdscanuck : You snipped the most important part. The souce of ignition was short circuit *in the indication wiring*. Nothing to do with the boost pumps. Both AD'
100 Luxair : Airbazar, congrats to you cos ur comment just made a nr 1 hit at airliners.net charts for the most stupid comments! Too bad that there is only a list
101 Zeke : Our "customer service agents" are ground based roles in the terminal for check-in, assistance in the terminal, and boarding/gate, the primary task fo
102 CON207 : One source quoted an oil leak and an engine catching fire resulting in the fuel tanks exploding. Dunno if thats true or not. Just thankful everyone go
103 Post contains images MarkHKG : Let's be honest...if Part 121 air carriers weren't required to have them on board for safety reasons, there would be at least one airline that would
104 Post contains links Viscount724 : This is the 12th jet written off by CI. The other 11: Caravelle - 1 707-320 - 2 737-200 - 2 747-200 - 2 747-400 - 1 MD-11 - 1 A300-600 - 2 They came
105 Post contains links LePousson : Here is my tv capture from a very short message in a french news report ... http://www.spot-france.net/downloads_telecharger.php?download=9 LePousson
106 Post contains links Uzimmermann : Here is a high quality video of the fire starting before fire trucks arrive: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ing-737-800-destroyed-by-fire.html
107 Wingnut767 : You would have to know what the cause was first Tdscanuck is correct on this one. P.S How did this thread get Hijacked into a pissing contest over th
108 Zeke : "FAA records: 4 similar incidents to China Air fire WASHINGTON (AP) - The Boeing aircraft and its engine co-produced by a unit of General Electric wer
109 Womack17 : Well I "guest" we should be thankful you didn't decide to become an English teacher, though those "treatmentS from managementS" must be more carefull
110 Trex8 : depending on your definition of recent, they haven't lost aA320, 727 or 767 ! to be fair to them, the Caravelle was a bomb and the 742F was the first
111 Post contains images B777ER : Those two were the pilots...amazing neither of them broke a bone. Really, you think so?
112 Carpethead : According to passenger interviews there were no announcements by the crew. It was the passengers seated in the middle who yelled to get out because of
113 Post contains images ONTFlyer : That's because Crash Rescue Units had no idea this plane was in trouble until it was already too late. When a crew calls and requests that units stan
114 NA : This is a very bad year for the 737 safety statistics. 7 out of 17 jetairliners written off this year have been 737s. If we exclude freighters, 50% of
115 LAXdude1023 : Is there something im missing? I keep hearing the media say that over 1,000 people have been killed in CI accendents since 1994. Ive added up the dea
116 EMA747 : Still no official report on the cause of this? I don't know if this is significant but in all the videos there is no burning fuel much behind the plan
117 Viscount724 : Yes, as far as I can tell, that 1000 figure is much too high. Using Aviation-Safety.net data, I get 800 fatalities in all CI accidents since 1971, of
118 AvObserver : I hope there's no agenda in this point. Remember that the total number of 737's still far exceeds the number of these other types, although the A320
119 474218 : The video referred to in Replay 106, clearly shows burning fuel on the ground aft of the aircraft. Suggesting that the engine let go, puncturing the
120 Post contains links Vincewy : This thread is too long for me to read through and pardon me if I missed anything, before anyone gives the crew and pilots credit, please read this: h
121 Post contains links MarkHKG : I think this English variant also closely reflects what is written in the Chinese version (let me know if this is not the case) http://www.washington
122 Trex8 : I think we will have to wait for the accident report to come out, there is at least one news report quoting a passenger as saying it took 10 minutes f
123 Chiawei : Couple things. 1. The plane are still under its own power at that time and is still pressurized. So in order to open the door the engine has to be shu
124 Wowpeter : In the different articles, there are a lot of comments about delay in the evacuation. I wonder when did the crew discover the fire? If it is before e
125 Aerobalance : Except that your explanation is wrong, aircraft pressurization is equal to outside air pressure from about 8000' MSL and below, depends on where the
126 EK156 : Can someone explain to me how the hell did the Camera crew arrive to the incident before any of the Fire Brigade Engines were anywhere in sight??? Why
127 Post contains images MEA-707 : Ha ! Take notice all those Flight attendants here in this thread with inflated egos trying to make the point how irreplaceable they are and how their
128 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22283050-23109,00.html CHINA Airlines today offered $US100 ($124) and an apology to each of the Taiwanese tourist
129 A3 : Apology is most welcome (and very descent thing to do ) but the amount offered is an insult to their passengers. A3
130 Brenintw : This is unlikely to be anywhere near final -- usually, an initial offer is made as a goodwill gesture. Further compensation will be hammered out betw
131 EDICHC : I beg to differ, I raised this point in my reply 57 particularly in view of a passeger account stating there was a problem evident up to 15 mins prio
132 Musapapaya : I think this flight is an Air China flight instead, yes, this is a scary flight but the pilot DID eventually saved the flight even though he made som
133 A3 : I am sure that the lawyers will have allot of "business" but i am only referring to the initial amount offered that is on the same level as a tip. I
134 Trex8 : there may have been an CA flight also which "fell out of the sky" but there definitely was a CI 74L which did.
135 Post contains links EMA747 : Some pics of the wreckage. http://kyushu.yomiuri.co.jp/news-spe/enjou/photo/index.htm Looks very nasty indeed.
136 AS739X : Do we need to honestly touch this subject, AGAIN? There are far more 737's around the world if you included the original models. There are also many
137 NA : Yes, because its a very significant figure. But AGAIN? Why again? That 50% of all jet-airliners lost this year are from the same basic type, is very
138 Flysherwood : This near tragedy should really serve as a reminder how important the F/A's are to the safety of every passenger. The need to listen to their instruct
139 AS739X : Well I know your on A.net a lot. I know your very pro-Airbus and it been discussed, I surprised you haven't read it. That being said. You know what p
140 Kaitak : No, that was definitely a CAL aircraft; it's a very regular error - often reported in aviation news stories; they start saying Chinese airliner (it h
141 Post contains links Esajh : Tom I still disagree: I will admit some of the article could have been written in more detail and specific, but the basic premise is valid: the possib
142 Trex8 : this may be the minimum amount the airlines have to pay according to Taiwanese or even international law. what was all that fine print on the last pa
143 Post contains links Trex8 : http://www.aviationlawcorp.com/content/intlairline.html#warsaw 75,000 USD if you die
144 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : As others have mentioned, the incident referred to in my Reply 104 was definitely China Airlines, CI flight 006, not Air China (CA). Please see the a
145 Celestar : Viscount724, Thanks for your photo. I was wondering the same thing about this accident because I watched the recent NGC accident report and the comput
146 Post contains links Aaron747 : Before this thread gets bogged down in stupid discussion of Airbus v. Boeing narrow-body safety superiority, it might be useful to look over some of t
147 Brenintw : Would these figures show that fuel is tankered for the flight? Or would the (roughly) 3,200 kg of "extra" fuel be for diversion/holding reserves?
148 MD11Engineer : I agree. It looks as if the center tank was NOT affected. Correct This doesn't make sense. The spar valve is sited INSIDE the tank just outboard of t
149 Mandala499 : Oh God, here we go again! And again... The FA's job is there to: 1. To ensure the passengers are safe in the cabin throughout the flight and to ensur
150 MD11Engineer : I have been doing enough maintenance engine runs with the door open. Jan
151 Tdscanuck : Agreed that that was a possible cause but, as most of the press is reporting today, the probable cause is a fuel leak, which has nothing to do with e
152 Post contains links and images MarkHKG : Looks like China Airlines is lauding the crew-- both flight and cabin crew. http://www.chinapost.com.tw/news/2007/08/22/119326/China-Airlines.htm I t
153 Aaron747 : As I said, Japanese is neither my first language nor am I a very strong reader. It's entirely possible I mistranslated.
154 Mandala499 : Exactly, The pax under stress would/could say all sorts. That is why I said look at CI's evacuation directive for evac without command from cockpit...
155 MarkHKG : I'm also guessing that if the cabin crew was "at stations" (i.e. by their doors), they would not have direct view to the overwing areas. So they may
156 Cloudyapple : Who owns the machine? Dynasty? A Lessor? Or a bank?
157 NA : Oh, come on. My favorite aircraft is the Boeing 747. So much for me being "very pro-Airbus". If you "know me a lot" you should know that I´m imparti
158 JAAlbert : We have to be careful when quoting statistics because, as we all know, the results differ dramatically depending on where you pull the numbers from.
159 RFields5421 : All the video of the evac and immediate fire was shot by average tourist at the airport taking video of aircraft from the terminal / public areas. It
160 Trex8 : this was owned by the airline, they own all except one of their 738s which is subleased from Mandarin (and owned by ILFC)
161 OPNLguy : What I'd be curious to know is how much was left in each of the two wing tanks...
162 MD11Engineer : Each wing tank hold 3900 kg, this makes it 2 time 3900 kg plus 120 kg in the center tank. Since the center tank fuel is used first, just divide 4747 k
163 OPNLguy : Thanks, but as a dispatcher, I know the capacity of the tanks, how they're used, and what should have been left in them. What I'm curious about is ex
164 HAWK21M : Has the Offical Investigation report been released yet. regds MEL
165 Tdscanuck : Nope. That will probably take a couple of months. Tom.
166 Mayhem : Little question, (have read quickly through the thread so hope it hasn't been asked already), isn't it dangerous to evacuate on the side on which the
167 Tdscanuck : Yes. Evacuation tests are done with only half the exits for exactly this kind of reason. Tom.
168 Tdscanuck : The Daily Yomiuri has published this morning "Joints of a fuel pipe inside the pylon holding the engine under the right wing of the China Airlines air
169 Trex8 : are those pipes something which would normally be "messed with" during maintenance?
170 Tdscanuck : Depends on what you're doing. Apparently, they were borescoping the engine during the same maintenance check, so they had the cowls and T/R's open. O
171 Post contains links Aaron747 : Much more out of Japan now... The Transport Ministry's investigators have apparently found that a bolt in the no. 5 slat somehow moved and created a 3
172 Cloudyapple : More like 1 year +. Depending who is going to be blamed and how long the ensuing bickering lasts.
173 HAWK21M : What about a preliminary report. regds MEL
174 Post contains links Teme82 : Bolt is now the probably cause of the fuel leak. Now if it's the final reason then Boeing might face some lawsuits and China Airlines too. http://www.
175 Post contains links T prop : China Airlines might be off the hook on this one. The FAA has issued a new order to airlines to speed up inspections for all Boeing Next Generation 73
176 Teme82 : Me thinks that Boeing will say it's maintenance issue since there isn't much similar accidents on 737NG.
177 Tdscanuck : China Airlines isn't off the hook...they forgot to reinstall one of the washers. Even if there were a design defect, China Airlines took the configur
178 Post contains links Trex8 : is the washer seperate from the nut which MD11 in reply 48 thought was still on the bolt? AP: Fuel Tank Hole Blamed For Japan Jet Fire (by Positivera
179 Post contains links Reggaebird : I came across an different line of thought on this issue at the following site: http://news.monstersandcritics.com/a...compage=10&comcount=12&comlimit
180 Tdscanuck : Yes, it's separate. The full stackup is: bolt, washer, stop, retainer, stop, washer, nut. That's why they're pretty sure the washer was never install
181 Reggaebird : Tom, I completely agree with you. Reggaebird
182 SEPilot : I'm a little puzzled by what I've read about the bolt/nut/washer scenario. How can the bolt come loose enough to puncture the can with the nut still o
183 Post contains links Tdscanuck : The bolt goes through a hole in the slat track and clamps two stops (one on each side) and a retainer. There is a sleeve over the bolt. The holes in
184 SEPilot : That answers my question; thanks. I did see the diagram on the AD but it was not clear to me that the nut was smaller than the sleeve. This makes it
185 Zeke : Not as clear as one might think. The original emergency AD 2007-18-51 has now been escalated by Emergency AD 2007-18-52 ( to be inspected in 10 days
186 Post contains links Trex8 : the plot thickens, same bolt problem on ANA 738 http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...cles/newstex/AFX-0013-19242334.htm
187 HAWK21M : Whats Boeing to say on the ANA find. regds MEL
188 Post contains images Trex8 : it was the same CI mx guy who worked on both planes! wish we could get some more details of all the other aircraft with something not right. besides
189 Post contains links Zeke : Flight is now running a similar article .... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-on-air-nippon-boeing-737-700.html "Japanese transport officials h
190 Bozo : a report about this case, its in turkish though
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