And on a geographical point of view, Armenia is in Europe, the border between Europe and Asia is normally Ural Mountains I think. And when you discribe a white people face, for example for police, you speak of Caucasian face, so I think it's really considered European...
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 6310 posts, RR: 64 Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10823 times:
Air France Long Haul operations are divided into 6 "Sectors" :
FRA = Domestic
EUR = Europe/North Africa
APE = Asia/Pacific
AME = Americas
AMO = Africa/Middle East
COI = Caribbean/Indian Ocean
Unlike TLV, Managed by the "sector" EUR and is considered as a "European fligh", EVN was attributed to the AMO sector as it is considered long haul for the Crew management/rules, but operated by an A320 "Europe config", like AMM and DAM.
Next summer, Air France will bring its First Class product back to Atlanta after a couple of seasons of absence as the single AF operated flight will feature the B772ER rather than the B744, which is operating the route this summer.
If and when the Vietnamese government lifts its ridiculous restrictions on the AF service there, forcing the airline to serve both SGN and HAN, I could envisage a return of the nonstop CDG SGN services, at least during winter time. The B744 via BKK isn't the best of solutions and it is often very hard to find seats on these services.
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 6310 posts, RR: 64 Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10054 times:
Quoting YULYMX (Reply 13): 4th what? flight per day in summer? with the A380 coming next summer i doubt it...
The A380 was initially planned for the summer 2008 but is delayed to summer 2009, so a 4th Daily frequency to YUL was planned for the summer 2008. To be confirmed ....
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11): If and when the Vietnamese government lifts its ridiculous restrictions on the AF service there, forcing the airline to serve both SGN and HAN, I could envisage a return of the nonstop CDG SGN services, at least during winter time. The B744 via BKK isn't the best of solutions and it is often very hard to find seats on these services.
AF wanted to serve SGN Nonstop from CDG, but not HAN.
The Vietnamese Gov. said : "OK for SGN nonstop ONLY if HAN is served also nonstop". That's why AF served both Nonstop for one season only, as the money made on SGN was lost on the much less popular HAN.
BKK should be one of the first destination to receive the new B77W 2 Class that will replace the B744 starting 2009.
Why the difference in class codes between CDG and ORY based a/c? I assume M is equivalent to Y (coach/economy class) but what about S-class? is it equivalent to premium economy? If so, I didn't know AF offer an intermediate product between J and Y
LePousson From France, joined Feb 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 9881 times:
Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 2): Regarding CAY from ORY, I thought that is has been turned to B777-300 ER from this spring. So they return to A 340-200 from end of October ?
It is been a long time since AF does not operate A340-200 anymore ...
I think you mistyped and you wanted to say "A340-300" ...
Goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1084 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 9850 times:
Thank you FlySSC and HB-IWC for your always very interesting information
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11): If and when the Vietnamese government lifts its ridiculous restrictions on the AF service there, forcing the airline to serve both SGN and HAN, I could envisage a return of the nonstop CDG SGN services, at least during winter time. The B744 via BKK isn't the best of solutions and it is often very hard to find seats on these services
Agreed but I think it's nice having AF serving both cities. It would be bad if AF stops to serve HAN just to have SGN non-stop. Or could it be a CDG-SGN-HAN-CDG 4x weekly and CDG-HAN-SGN-CDG 3x weekly ?
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11): The B744 via BKK isn't the best of solutions and it is often very hard to find seats on these services.
I just booked a CDG-BKK round trip on AF in january in J class and I was amazed to see on the seat map that, on the days I'm travelling, about half of the J seats were already booked 5 months before. The loads on these flights are very high every time I fly this route
26 Viscount724: From AF website: http://www.airfrance.us/US/en/local/...=cccfaddljglmgdgcefecekedgfndgfo.0
27 AF777300ER: Alizée Class : priority check-in and arrival, more FB miles, front of the aircraft, 36 seats, larger seats, more space for the legs, 123° angle, a
28 LipeGIG: Thanks for the update! FlySSC, last month seems that GRU would receive 3 to 4 times a week the A343 replacing the A332 during the IATA winter. AF chan
29 Haggis79: wow, that's quite a drop in capacity, isn't it? I thought the 744 was nearly always full....
30 Varig md-11: I just flew the M class on a 773ER ORY-NCE : the seat looks sort of similar to a regular AF eco seat, except for the headrest which is more comfy and
31 Flying Belgian: Thanks for the informations mate ! As always it's crystal clear FB.
32 Summa767: It seems that BOG is stuck with the A343. Even though AF's loads on the route are 88.4% in the first half of this year (90% in June alone), and that
33 KL1291: I worked for Air France Cargo in Amsterdam until last February and i'm very surprised to see this much aircraft changes. If I remember correctly, the
34 CuriousFlyer: Yup, very surprising to see JFK going down from 6 to 4 flights, and losing the 747!
35 GoMEA: Great to see they kept the lovely 77W on the CDG-BEY route! Had the chance to fly this aircraft twice in J and once in Y, impeccable service and the p
36 RJpieces: AF 747s aren't configured with a high-density premium layout, so it's a better sign for AF to be operating 777s than 747s to JFK...
37 747fan: I mentioned this would probably happen in a previous post in another similar thread. They'll probably get the 747 back in the spring or summer and br
38 BA: I assume then the 3rd daily is only during the summer?
39 YUL777: BA, AF does drop the 3rd daily flight around September 15 and bring it back late in May or beginning of June. So does AC with the second flight (AC88
40 HB-IWC: I believe AF would opt for a scheme in which SGN would be served nonstop, at least in winter, whereas HAN would continue to be served as a tag on to
41 Jacobin777: ....oohhh..I can't wait to see the A332 @ ORD..
42 DID747: Hi, What about SFO for April 2008? Pierre j'ai perdu votre adresse électronique, pouvez vous me contacter SVP. DID747
43 Pat747: Thanks a lot FLYSSC , I agree with Flying Belgian, "It is Crystal Clear" . For me next september it will be CDG-SFO by B744 and next october LAX-CDG
44 PHKLM: Is there any info available on whether this plane will match the cabin config of the new KLM 2-class 77W? Are there such plans?
45 B742: Will this continue to be seasonal with a mix of a smaller aircraft operating the European Summer services (A343), or could it be year round? AF seems
46 Planetime: Does most of the BLR/ Indian operations depend on the US market or is there a large enough market in Frace/EU to justify this route.
47 A3xx900: Don't forget France's DOMs and TOMs. Regions that belong to France. Maybe those are considered as domestic flights even though they are longhaul flig
48 FlySSC: Sorry .. FRA & EUR are of course the 2 Short/Medium Haul sectors. On all routes, the A332 are regularly swaped for an A343 and vice versa, according
49 LipeGIG: GRU does not receive B747 daily, only GIG. I believe you made reference to the weekly cargo service that nowadays on a non-regular basis also goes to
50 Jetskipper: I find it amazing that ORD is not daily. Has the Europe-ORD market become oversaturated?
51 XA744: FlySCC, thanks for the update. Interesting to to see MEX as an only 772ER station now for AF. Looks like front end capacity is being boosted in exchan
52 WonderFan: Erevan is in Asia Minor. Location has nothing to do with race. A great deal of Turks, for example, look entirely European but that doesn't prevent mu
53 FlySSC: ORD has never been profitable for AF. It has one of the lowest yield of all the North American routes.
54 Planetime: That is news to me... being Chicago the 3rd largest city in USA, and large business centre.
55 FoxXray: ORD is already served 3 times daily by AA, UA and AF...
56 FlySSC: Being the 3rd largest city is not enough reason for being profitable ... "smaller" cities can sometimes be more profitable than big ones. Though not
57 Varig md-11: IAD has in common with YUL and JFK that lots of Europeans live/work there, or have relatives there while ORD is a more " american" city
58 KL1291: No, I didn't make reference to the Cargo service to GRU. I really made a enumaration just out of the head........little mistakes were logical with th
59 FlySSC: Actually, GRU was one of the very first destination of Air France served by the B772ER back in 1998. If I remember well, it was actually the third de
60 FlyMD: Are you sure about that? I don't know myself but I do find it strange that there was a point when we had twice daily service (A343 and B763) if the r
61 FlySSC: ORD was never served twice daily by AF. It has been served by the B763, A343, and even B744Combi but never 2 x Daily.
62 KL1291: I remember CDG-EZE-SCL was served with B772ER. It was the only non-direct south-american routing I know.... KL1291
63 FlySSC: Still the same today. During this summer program, SCL is served 3 x Weekly nonstop + 3 x Weekly via EZE. All flights are operated with B772ER.
64 SSCAF001: Hello FlySSC, Concerning frequencies between CDG and ORD, I'm afraid you're wrong : in 1999, I flew a CDG ORD in the morning (Dep Time 10:15 Arr Time
65 SSCAF001: According to Galileo GDS, IAD will be served, for the first flight of the day (10:15), with 332 also, not only with 772. LBV will be serve on tuesday
66 Goldorak: Dear FlySSC this is the 1st time I see you giving a wrong info on AF on A.net I confirm also that ORD has been served twice daily by AF during 1 or 2
67 SSCAF001: and CDG-PHC Time Table is not yet in the Galileo GDS
68 FlySSC: And I remember quite well that at that time, we were staying sometimes 3 full days in Chicago, which means that the second flight was not 2 x DAILY.
69 FLYYUL: for YUL.. AF reverts to AF344/345 as a 2-class 747-400 in February, at which point AF346/347 will go from B77W to B772
70 WonderFan: Way to go AF on flying nonstop daily to SCL for the first time ever. They will give IB a run for its money. Is there enough demand for AF to SCL, espe
72 LXA340: Are there any considerations to upgrade AMM or TLV from A32S to Long haul equipment?
73 PHKLM: AF is already serving SCL non-stop. This was in-fact the first winter (in Chile) with non-stop flights. There certainly must be sufficient demand for
74 WonderFan: I know AF already flies to SCL nonstop but I said it will be their first time flying daily nonstop. Yes, indeed, when you consider that IB is practic
75 Mk777: AF used to fly F-GISA/B (mostly) to DEL. However, as HB-IWC states, they have become cargo now. Which configuration of the B744 will DEL see during th
76 Viscount724: If not mistaken, IB has the largest market share of all carriers between Europe and South America in total. Yes, I would consider that to be stiff co
77 EddieDude: I agree. I love the AF 772s but it will be a bit sad to no longer see four-engined AF birds in MEX. The entire 772ER fleet is configured in 3-classes
78 AF022: Since AF started the daylight CDG-JNB flight how is it doing?
79 LipeGIG: And they have stronger advance bookings to GIG. They expect to run only 6x weekly on the second flight, but even before begin they increased to daily
80 Goldorak: Currently yes. But AF has ordered some new 77W which will be 2 class equipped (J / Y) to replace their current 744
81 Gunsontheroof: I knew about this reduction when service was launched in June, but I still find it interesting. It's no secret that Seattle-Europe traffic drops sign
82 SNBru: I am flying back from SGN in November, so around the equipement change (from A340 to B744). What will be the 744 configuration on the bangkok route. I
83 FlySSC: The yield is too low on these destinations as well as DAM. TLV went recently from 1 x Daily to 2 x Daily A320 with an early morning flight leaving TL
85 FlySSC: This picture shows a B763, not a B772 ... AF may have tested a second frequency to ORD (just like to SFO or EWR) during one or two seasons in the lat
86 FoxXray: I know that the picture shows a 763 but look at the remark from Sam Chui : "One of 2 AF daily flights into ORD, another one being A343 late arrivals.
87 SSCAF001: Time Table for CDG-IAD in Februar 2008 : 01FEB08-28FEB08 MTWTFSS PARIS /WASHINGTON 03FEB 1.34567 CDG IAD 1015 1255 AF 28 772*C 27FEB 1234567 CDG IAD 1
88 Sshank: It is shocking to hear that AF cant do better than 6x332 for ORD. Very Interesting! SSC, can we expect any new India routes or additional frequencies?
89 FlyMD: Okay, I didnt think that I was crazy. I do remember two AF frequencies to ORD. Clearly these were not permanent, but they did exist. And they were da
90 FLYSSC: Thanks for posting the link FlyMD. It clarifies the ORD "question" and I was apparently wrong. In this article, they mention KRK among the connections
91 DID747: A lot of news about AF. Thank you. Pierre, merci de me contacter, j'e n'ai plus vos coordonnées, désolé. DID747
92 OHLHD: Very< good news for me and GIG. Makes it easier to get there. Must have been some time when a 747 went to GRU.
93 Tiago701: Actually AF has the largest market share between Europe and South America. Both in the Mid and South Atlantic regions (as definied by the AEA - Airli
94 FlyMD: Not a problem. We are all here just to share information and indulge our favorite hobby.
95 Fyano773: MEX demand drops as well for AF... MEX: 2 x Daily (B772ER + B744 + A343) To: MEX: 1 x Daily B772ER + 5 x Weekly B772ER But AM will be upgrading CDG-M
96 FlySSC: But you can not compare a summer program to a winter program. You have to compare winter 2006/2007 with the future winter 2007/2008, and if you do so
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