COSAMICLE From United States, joined Nov 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4742 times:
In reading the fine print on Delta's skymiles earnings page (http://www.delta.com/skymiles/ways_to_get_miles/earning_miles_partners/airline_partners/), I noted that all flights on partner airlines to Tehran, Damascus, and Havana are excluded from the skymiles program. I can understand Havana, I suppose, as there is a US travel ban there, but Tehran and Damascus are not banned. As for other US SkyTeam members, Continental and Northwest have no such restrictions. Any idea why Delta has them?
FlyDreamliner From Korea, joined Jan 2006, 2614 posts, RR: 20 Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4684 times:
i guess they really love America down there in ATL.
that is definitely strange. i'm not sure you could get miles for a trip to HAV... since you'd find yourself fined/imprisoned if US authorities found out that you'd been there (at least if you are a US citizen). the others, I really don't know. that's very strange. do any other US airlines have similar policies, outside of skyteam?
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COSAMICLE From United States, joined Nov 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4612 times:
I just checked United, American, and US Airways and none of those airlines mention markets in which you cannot accrue miles (except within Sweden and Norway, which apparently is prohibited by Swedish law; you learn something new every day).
B4REAL From United States, joined Aug 2003, 2439 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4593 times:
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 1): i'm not sure you could get miles for a trip to HAV... since you'd find yourself fined/imprisoned if US authorities found out that you'd been there (at least if you are a US citizen).
AF flies CDG-HAV, and DL SkyMiles members can earn miles on AF flights. Not sure about this one, however. Same with AA miles on MX, MX flies MEX-HAV also.
COSAMICLE From United States, joined Nov 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4553 times:
Quoting B4REAL (Reply 6): AF flies CDG-HAV, and DL SkyMiles members can earn miles on AF flights.
I guess this goes for most flights. A footnote from Delta's earning miles site states:
3Air France:
Mileage may be earned on Air France-coded flights operated by Air France or any SkyTeam partner. Mileage credit is not applicable for fares booked in L, N, O, G, or X class, for Air France travel via boat/ferry service, or for flights to/from Havana, Cuba; Tehran, Iran; or Damascus, Syria.
FoxBravo From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2584 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4553 times:
There are restrictions on U.S. companies doing business in those countries. Giving mileage credit for flights to those countries might seem like a stretch, but my guess is that they are just covering themselves in order to avoid any appearance of impropriety. I wouldn't read any political leanings into this--it's more likely just the work of a careful in-house (or outside) counsel.
DLPMMM From United States, joined Apr 2005, 2737 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4369 times:
Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 7): There are restrictions on U.S. companies doing business in those countries. Giving mileage credit for flights to those countries might seem like a stretch, but my guess is that they are just covering themselves in order to avoid any appearance of impropriety. I wouldn't read any political leanings into this--it's more likely just the work of a careful in-house (or outside) counsel.
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Yup. There are economic sanctions in place by the USA government against these countries. Giving miles for these flights could be construed by some as doing business with the countries in question.
The other USA airlines seem to just have a more general "catch-all" disclaimer to the effect the some "special condition routes" may not be eligible, without specific statement of the affected routes.
OA260 From Greece, joined Nov 2006, 16684 posts, RR: 53 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4328 times:
What a stupid rule. If you are a US Citizen then thats fine but if you are a member of the Skymiles or Mileage Plus based in Europe then EU rules should apply and people flying AF or AC to Cuba should get miles.
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FLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4324 times:
Quoting COSAMICLE (Thread starter): In reading the fine print on Delta's skymiles earnings page (http://www.delta.com/skymiles/ways_to_get_miles/earning_miles_partners/airline_partners/), I noted that all flights on partner airlines to Tehran, Damascus, and Havana are excluded from the skymiles program.
It is amazing how the rules in the US apply to certain people and companies.. When it comes to air travel I can assure you that Delta Air Lines code-shares on the Los Angeles to Paris flight operated by Air France, where people connect to an Air France flight that Delta Air Lines does not code share on to Tehran.
The same from NWA code-sharing on the Los Angeles to Amsterdam flight that is operated by KLM, and the KLM service from AMS-THR that NWA does not share a code with.
Does Delta not sell the ticket to the person that calls them?
Does NWA not sell the ticket to the person that calls them?
Some how people travel from the USA to Iran. There is a demand, yet will still continue with government hands to dictate certain restrictions telling the airlines and us as Americans where we can and cannot fly to.
COSAMICLE From United States, joined Nov 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4203 times:
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 9): The other USA airlines seem to just have a more general "catch-all" disclaimer to the effect the some "special condition routes" may not be eligible, without specific statement of the affected routes.
Maybe, but I have received miles and EQMs with OnePass for both KLM and Air France operated flights to DAM since the US sanctions. Anyway, I didn't want to start a political debate, and I apologize if anyone has taken offense at responses. I noticed a few of them have been deleted.
FlyDreamliner From Korea, joined Jan 2006, 2614 posts, RR: 20 Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4203 times:
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11): Some how people travel from the USA to Iran. There is a demand, yet will still continue with government hands to dictate certain restrictions telling the airlines and us as Americans where we can and cannot fly to.
If I'm not mistaken, there is not a travel restriction in place to Iran quite like to Cuba, in that it's not criminal for an American to go to Iran, you just can't buy the ticket in the states, or some such. I've known people who've flown to Iran, just buying their tickets in DXB and FRA.... so it seems possible. Then again, I know a good number of Americans who have gone to Cuba too...
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DLPMMM From United States, joined Apr 2005, 2737 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4196 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 10): What a stupid rule. If you are a US Citizen then thats fine but if you are a member of the Skymiles or Mileage Plus based in Europe then EU rules should apply and people flying AF or AC to Cuba should get miles.
A USA corporation is considered a USA citizen and as such is required to follow USA laws, including any USA sanctions against doing commercial business with a sanctioned foreign government. The citizenship of the passenger in this case makes no legal difference to the USA company.
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11): It is amazing how the rules in the US apply to certain people and companies.. When it comes to air travel I can assure you that Delta Air Lines code-shares on the Los Angeles to Paris flight operated by Air France, where people connect to an Air France flight that Delta Air Lines does not code share on to Tehran.
The same from NWA code-sharing on the Los Angeles to Amsterdam flight that is operated by KLM, and the KLM service from AMS-THR that NWA does not share a code with.
Does Delta not sell the ticket to the person that calls them?
Does NWA not sell the ticket to the person that calls them?
Some how people travel from the USA to Iran. There is a demand, yet will still continue with government hands to dictate certain restrictions telling the airlines and us as Americans where we can and cannot fly to.
I do not believe that NWA or DL will sell you a ticket to Tehran. You would have to buy the ticket from a foreign carrier.
The USA does not prohibit travel to and from Iran and Syria, only certain commercial transactions, apparently including air travel.
Similar economic sanctions were used by governments around the world to persuade South Africa to end aparthide.
The only travel restriction I know of is the Cuba policy initially instituted under the Kennedy administration.
COSAMICLE From United States, joined Nov 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4168 times:
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 14): The USA does not prohibit travel to and from Iran and Syria, only certain commercial transactions, apparently including air travel.
Not sure about Tehran, but nwa.com will sell tix to DAM.
ExFATboy From United States, joined Jul 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4127 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 10): What a stupid rule. If you are a US Citizen then thats fine but if you are a member of the Skymiles or Mileage Plus based in Europe then EU rules should apply and people flying AF or AC to Cuba should get miles.
I don't see this as being much of an issue, as a French citizen is very unlikely to want to take their SkyTeam miles on a DL account anyway. It's a little more likely that a Canadian might want to accumulate Star Alliance miles on a UA account instead of AC, but I'd guess that's still pretty rare.
FLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4127 times:
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 14): I do not believe that NWA or DL will sell you a ticket to Tehran.
I was wondering as on my last KLM flight from LAX-AMS there was a good number of people travelling onward to Tehran, and the people I am talking about all lived in Los Angeles, and were only going to visit family in Tehran. Arent all KLM transactions in the states handled by Northwest Airlines? When you go online in every other country has its own website, in the US we have to deal with NWA..
DLPMMM From United States, joined Apr 2005, 2737 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4064 times:
I think the issue might be even more complicated, Travelocity (A USA company based in Texas) will at least price out tickets to THR or DAM (I didn't try to buy one).
Unless someone have the energy to peruse all the government regulations on this one (I don't), I don't think a difinitive answer is easily found as to the level of travel restrictions between USA companies and Iran or Syria. I know there are export restrictions on alot of technology items, but I do not know the extent of other commercial restrictions for USA citizens.
Nickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1278 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3995 times:
Quoting COSAMICLE (Reply 3): I just checked United, American, and US Airways and none of those airlines mention markets in which you cannot accrue miles (except within Sweden and Norway, which apparently is prohibited by Swedish law; you learn something new every day).
Within the Earning Miles section of those AA partners that fly to Cuba (IB, LA and MX), the AA web-site states:
"Flights to/from Cuba are not eligible for mileage accrual or redemption."
I think the Travelocity website would have a hiccup before actually letting you buy a ticket to THR.
Looks like travel is allowed to Iran by USA citizens. The only things allowed to be imported from Iran to the USA seems to be rugs, dates, and caviar. USA airlines are allowed to pay Iran for overflight rights as well. Pretty much all other commercial transactions seem to be proscribed.
While travel to Syria is also allowed, the Syrian sanctions seem less clear with respect to allowable transactions.
UPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 988 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3929 times:
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 14): A USA corporation is considered a USA citizen and as such is required to follow USA laws, including any USA sanctions against doing commercial business with a sanctioned foreign government.
Your statement is so strong that leads me to believe other carriers like AA, CO, NW are breaking USA laws.
I really don't think so, my guess is they're trying to cover their ass just in case.
A380US From United States, joined Mar 2007, 2306 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3905 times:
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 1): that is definitely strange. i'm not sure you could get miles for a trip to HAV... since you'd find yourself fined/imprisoned if US authorities found out that you'd been there (at least if you are a US citizen).
thats wierd cause doesn delta fly there?
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DLPMMM From United States, joined Apr 2005, 2737 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3869 times:
Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 22): Your statement is so strong that leads me to believe other carriers like AA, CO, NW are breaking USA laws.
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I stand by my statement. USA companies are considered citizens of the USA and required to follow USA laws, including any sanctions imposed by the USA government. There is no doubt about that statements truth. The only question is to the extent of the USA's sanctions against each of the individual foreign governments. I don't know why you are "led to believe" that other carriers are breaking any laws.
The post above yours is has links to the State Department documents I found.
26 LTU932: Highly doubtful. KE, and OZ for that matter, rarely fly any VFR charter to FNJ, if not at all, and even if they do, I highly doubt you can get miles
27 Cedarjet: There are 2m Iranians in LA: "Irangeles". And tonnes of travel between the US and Iran every day. Most of the pax on LH from THR to FRA connect straig
28 ElmoTheHobo: You can't earn miles on any of those carrier's charters, whether or not it goes to Cuba. Definitely true. And with all the Angelinas going to Iran to
29 RyanAFAMSP: Well I guess if the inferior inflight meal service, paying for drinks in coach (other than with the primary meal service), outdated inflight entertain
30 Ikramerica: There aren't nearly that many Persians here. Where are you getting that number from? There are quite a lot (largest population outside iran), but not
31 SpdBrdConcorde: The last time DL flew in Cuba was back in the 50's. There is no law that says you will be imprisoned if you go to Cuba. In fact, there is no law that
32 Csavel: There are no restrictions on Americans travelling anywhere. Technically, Americans can't spend money in Cuba or on Cuban products or "cause money to b
33 UAL747: Can you even book tickets to THR on any US airline website? I've done some "hypothetical" reservations before, and when you try and book US-THR, it sa
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