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Is This A320 Dirty, Or Patchwork, Or Both?  
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 18425 times:

Can't tell if this A320 just needs new paint, a wash, or touch-up. What's going on around the over-the-wing exit doors...and at the top of the rear of the fuselage? Thoughts?


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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 18372 times:

looks like just dirt around the doors.. that strip that looks painted on top im not sure,unless they were testing a section of new paint of something... Is this the one that burned yesterday..


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User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4992 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 18358 times:

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 1):
Is this the one that burned yesterday..

Nope. Wrong aircraft type / manufacturer, wrong airline, wrong country even.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4202 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 18294 times:

The dirt around the main cabin door is easy to identify. It is from a jetbridge.
Look at any older aircraft from CO, B6, BA, or other "white"-liveried airline - they all get dirty! Its not just Air France!!

The different color around the emergency exit doors I have a harder time explaining. Maybe the doors were recently replaced or something?



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 18255 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
The dirt around the main cabin door is easy to identify. It is from a jetbridge.

Civil Aviation 101.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
The different color around the emergency exit doors I have a harder time explaining.

That, along with the rectangle patch up top is what I can't figure out. I'm sure one of A.net's techies can shed some light on this...



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 18051 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 2):
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 1):
Is this the one that burned yesterday..

Nope. Wrong aircraft type / manufacturer, wrong airline, wrong country even.

Scorpio, You are a classic.  Wink I could have not said it better myself.

JetJames, this was the plane that went up in flames yesterday.

CHINA AIRLINES (TAIWAN) BOEING 737-800



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Wings



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 17913 times:

Could it be that they may have increased the seat amount so they had to put new emergency exits in to keep within the rules? Cheaper than buying a new plane with 4 overwing exits  silly 

rgds --James--



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4202 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 17671 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 4):
Civil Aviation 101.

I agree - just wasn't sure if you knew that. Some people on this site probably wouldn't know that.

Quoting DIA (Reply 4):
That, along with the rectangle patch up top is what I can't figure out. I'm sure one of A.net's techies can shed some light on this...

I see what you mean. Not sure.....



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 17658 times:

My guess is that the plane was filthy and was at a jet bridge. A horrendous rain storm came about and cleaned the plane except for the part covered by the bridge. The emergency doors are new patches and the top by the tail is the retractable moon roof.

User currently offlinePaladin87 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 17614 times:

Quoting DIA (Thread starter):
What's going on around the over-the-wing exit doors

Most likely to identify them, perhaps for de-icing or emergency response for quicker locating


User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4992 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 17589 times:

Quoting Paladin87 (Reply 10):
Most likely to identify them, perhaps for de-icing or emergency response for quicker locating

You make them dirty to identify them???  rotfl   rotfl 


User currently offlineCopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 998 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 17536 times:

My guess would be that the different color shade around the overwing exits is to make the exit doors easier to see. If you look at the bottom of those exits, you can see the white strip in the blue. The white on white wouldn't be very easy to see!

User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 17512 times:

Quoting Copter808 (Reply 12):

Thats one most airlines with a similar livery....

I'm still adamant I'm right in the fact they increased passenger loads/seats hence they had to increase the number of exits per law... so instead of buying a new plane, which is of course costly.. they cut out a hole over the wing and inserted in these exits, which is why the "dirt" is square, when has anyone here ever seen square dirt? or a jet bridge on an emergency exit?

rgds --James--



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User currently offlinePaladin87 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 17455 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 11):
You make them dirty to identify them???

Funny. I was referring to the emergency exits over the wing not the main cabin door


User currently offlineAvianca707359B From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17318 times:

Here's the same aircraft, taken in Dec 2006:


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Same phenomenon.

I can't believe that plane was not washed once during an 8 month period.

Perhaps it is not dirt but moisture? Maybe some fuselage panels have a different metallurgical composition and collect condensation differently - and through an optical illusion it just looks like dirt? I don't know what to make of this. I have no real explanation, especially regarding the roof "strip".



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User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17318 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 13):
I'm still adamant I'm right in the fact they increased passenger loads/seats hence they had to increase the number of exits per law... so instead of buying a new plane, which is of course costly.. they cut out a hole over the wing and inserted in these exits, which is why the "dirt" is square, when has anyone here ever seen square dirt? or a jet bridge on an emergency exit?

If you look at previous photos, you'll see that your 'theory' is in fact false.


User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17243 times:

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 16):

So why would there be square dirt? both on top of the fuselage and around the emergency exit?

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 16):
'theory'

 Confused

Rgds --James--



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User currently offlineHMan From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17200 times:

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 16):
Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 13):
I'm still adamant I'm right in the fact they increased passenger loads/seats hence they had to increase the number of exits per law... so instead of buying a new plane, which is of course costly.. they cut out a hole over the wing and inserted in these exits, which is why the "dirt" is square, when has anyone here ever seen square dirt? or a jet bridge on an emergency exit?

If you look at previous photos, you'll see that your 'theory' is in fact false.

Its totally false, since all A320s have 4 overwing exits as far as I know. It's the A319s that need an extra pair for extra capacity.


User currently offlinePaladin87 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17175 times:

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 16):
If you look at previous photos, you'll see that your 'theory' is in fact false.

True, but also it's a 320 , they all have two window exits on each side.


User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17146 times:

Quoting HMan (Reply 18):

Ah ok thanks... could they be replacements? maybe during a D check if the aircraft is old enough?

rgds --James--



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User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4992 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17108 times:

Quoting Paladin87 (Reply 14):
Funny. I was referring to the emergency exits over the wing not the main cabin door

So was I.


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1798 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 16864 times:

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 15):
...Same phenomenon.

I can't believe that plane was not washed once during an 8 month period.

Perhaps it is not dirt but moisture? Maybe some fuselage panels have a different metallurgical composition and collect condensation differently - and through an optical illusion it just looks like dirt? I don't know what to make of this. I have no real explanation, especially regarding the roof "strip".


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I think that this plane may have just been abused in its years of service. You can clearly see a large patch underneath the L2 door... probably the work of a careless airstair driver. Other patchwork might be because of metal fatigue cracks or something of that sort. Perhaps that's the reason why the overwing exits are also included in what looks like patchwork?

Just to put my 2 cents, I don't think any of the state owned Chinese airlines take particular pride in the appearance of cleanliness of their planes... much like large municipalities rarely wash their metro busses simply because of the costs and logistics of it and the fact that they get replaced after a few years anyway. I believe that this sort of mentality is the same in Chinese commerical aviation... they probably run their aircraft into the ground because at the rate the Chinese economy is going the government will just make another ginormous multi-billion dollar order with Airbus or Boeing every few years and disperse them among the national carriers.

A roommate of mine from Shanghai once told me that Chinese medical centers get huge budgets, however if they don't use all the money their budget gets slashed... so it's not uncommon for a medical center to have multiple MRIs and med-evac helicopters they don't need. If this is true, maybe this sort of budget philosophy carries over to the airlines as well.



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User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 16788 times:
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Me thinks it's because the air in major cities in china is bad. I was in Beijing in 1996 and when I stepped out of that A310 I felt the dust in the air. So I don't wonder why Chinese planes are looking dirty.


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User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 669 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 16633 times:

Could it be that the aircraft was cleaned in all bar sensitive areas. Maybe the scrubbing brush damages the overwing exits and cant reach up to the patch on the roof? Maybe the wash plants can't cope with the A320s and dont clean that particular area on the aircraft. I remember for a while when our local bus company introduced a brand new fleet they all had an identical dirt stripe on the back where the existing washers couldn't accommodate the new vehicles.

It is an airbridge that causes the marks at Door 1L, they are visible on all aircraft that park at airbridges.


User currently offlineWingletsman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 16209 times:

just dirty, and wear and tear...
however.... so sad to see that new 738 go!!  Sad  Sad  Sad  Sad
the winglets didn't burn though!!


25 GeorgeJetson : Some A319s (although not many) do have 4 overwing emergency exits. Search for D-AGWE, an A319-132 of Germanwings and you will see what I mean.
26 PH-TVH : I have a hard time to believe pax use emergency exits to disembark. First point: These exits are sealed, once used, they need to be resealed by certi
27 Bx737 : Easyjet have their A319s configured with 156 seats, as a result all of their A319s have 4 overwing exits
28 GeorgeJetson : It’s interesting how sometimes the number of overwing emergency exits can be used to easily distinguish one aircraft type from another one that’s
29 Post contains images David L : I suspect the rest of the post gives a clue as to how serious it was...
30 Blackbird1331 : If this airliner is owned by Air France, then I would say it is dirt. If it is owned by any one else, then I would say it is dirt. But, not as dirty.
31 Aaron747 : Have you been to China recently? The air quality is horrendous. If you flew through all of that particulate matter, dirt, soot, and industrial gunk y
32 QXPDXMTX : I believe that the areas around the emergency exits are for easier identification and area on the top of the plane could be like the areas on the top
33 Panman : The different shades of paint just tell me that some work was done there recently and the paint required a touch up. It could be any of numerous thing
34 Kieran74 : maybe it is mold spots.........hahaha
35 Ruscoe : Could it have something to do with "cold sink" where the more heavily reinforced (or possibly repaired) areas hold the "cold" longer resulting in the
36 HMan : That's what I was talking about although I was thinking about the Easyjet ones.
37 D328 : Way dirty....haha...I like dirty planes though..
38 Cricket : No insult intended towards any Chinese friends here, but my god the planes in that country are Dirty. I was at PVG once and the SQ 773 I was taking wa
39 AirPacific747 : I think it can a little bit.. just like dirt on cars can affect performance on those a little bit too.
40 Strathpeffer : Personally I favour the 'touch-up' explanation. Perhaps MX used a paint that had a reduced gloss component compared to the stuff Airbus initially spec
41 Bongodog1964 : I tend to agree with the above, could it be that the door framing has either been replaced or is of a different material to the rest of the fuselage
42 Iflyswa : It looks to me like some sort of poorly mismatched paintwork, or as Panman suggests, a hastily applied coating of paint over fresh primer. Above the o
43 CX777Fan : That would stack up if every A320 - or at least every CZ A320 - but this one seems to be unique. I'm leaning towards some kind of mx issue and for so
44 PH-TVH : First point, you are indeed correct, my fault Second/third point, I know there are arrows on top of the wing. But I cant imagine the surface of the w
45 USADreamliner : Oh, Lord... nobody in USA listen during geography class????
46 Scorpio : Um, have you still not figured out that the post you were originally replying to (by Breiz) was, in fact, said jokingly? One would think the part wou
47 Planesavvy : In my experience Chinese airliners are the dirtiest flying into Heathrow, and that includes Cathay Pacific. The polution in China certainly has an eff
48 Post contains images PH-TVH : why do I take things always to serieus when it goes about aviation Cheers
49 Copter808 : You're kidding, right? Other than the darker white around the overwing exits, there is no contrasting paint, except for the stripe on the bottom. As
50 Breiz : Thanks Scorpio. Sorry PH-TVH. That was supposed to be a honest joke. But actually, two years ago I think, a Chinese passenger did open one over-wing
51 Tdscanuck : The upper wing skin isn't coke-can thin...it's not exactly a 1" plate, but it's stouter than you probably think. The upper skin is under significant
52 Zb330 : The aircraft is just dirty. No patchwork or anything of that matter. The area around the forward entry door is dirty because of the airbridge which is
53 HAWK21M : Are you serious. Looks like the Section 41 requires a paint job which probably awaiting a Check C.The EE area has been touched up around the exits. r
54 Breiz : No, I'm not. See post 51. Breiz
55 Post contains images Flysherwood : Too FUNNY!!!
56 Jamesbuk : did you look at the picture? theres a dark area AROUND the emergency exit, the white bit on the blue paint is the seal, no one is referring to that..
57 Post contains images HAWK21M : So under abnormal situations regds MEL
58 Panman : No it's not. You cannot see the seal for the emergency hatches from the outside. The white on blue is just to define the emergency hatch. All exits n
59 Post contains links and images Jogales : Here's another photo showing the same thing on a different China Southern a/c: View Large View MediumPhoto © Xu Zheng This 757 also looks to have
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