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50 (100) more 717 orders  
User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 436 posts, RR: 0
Posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

From the wire late last night:

TWA placed orders yesterday for 50 new 717s, and took options for 50 more.

This'll really allow them to add more flights to their current schedule. I guess the reason that they don't have many flights now is because their planes are so large (besides their old DC-9-30s the smallest thing they have is the -50 or the MD-80). The 717s will allow them to be more flexible.

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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

This is great news for Boeing and their 717 program. Now the program is starting to gain speed. Hopefully this will help Boeing in its current crisis. Way to go TWA and Boeing. Maybe next time my grandparents fly on TWA from St. Louis to Newark it will be on a 717!


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineFedEx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

TWA has also ordered A318 (50) and a
many from the A320 family (still not yet determined).
The question I have, is that with all these orders will
TWA be able to pay for them eventhough they are not
making any profit right now! I hope TWA comes back
but when you screw your employees and have bad
managment it still looks bad! After updating their
fleet they need to update the people who work in the
the front office. The reason why I'm so bitter is that I
don't understand why a airline of this caliber can't make
any profit this year. (the best year for$$$) My grandpa
could have turned this company around along time ago.
It all starts with a good company mission and employee
attitudes!


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Why would TWA order both the 717 and the A318? They are basically in competition with one another. Where did both of you get your information?


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

They did indeed order both... You can find info on it at CNN, at the following URL:

http://cnnfn.com/worldbiz/9812/09/twa/

It was also on the financial news on TV here in Finland.


User currently offlineflyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

TWA has ordered 50 MD-95s (50 options), 50 A318s, and 25 A320 series aircraft (75 options). They will use the MD-95 for regional routes and the A318 for longer range routes up to 2000mi requiring lower capacity or high frequency.

(FedEx: I am at school right now in Web page design)

Here is the press release (I have changed all 71*s to MD-95):

Wednesday December 9, 7:00 am Eastern Time

Company Press Release

SOURCE: Trans World Airlines

TWA Orders 125 Aircraft

-- Orders for McDonnell Douglas and Airbus aircraft also include options for an
additional 125 narrow-bodies --

ST. LOUIS, Dec. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Trans World Airlines, Inc. (Amex: TWA - news) today announced orders and options for 250 state-of-the-art, new
technology aircraft, the largest aircraft order in TWA history.

TWA has signed letters of intent to acquire 50 McDonnell Douglas MD-95-30 aircraft for delivery beginning in February, 2000; 50 Airbus A318 aircraft for delivery
beginning in 2003; and 25 Airbus ``A320 Family'' aircraft for delivery beginning in 2005. The A320 Family includes the A318, A319, A320 and A321
models; TWA will select the exact mix of A320 family aircraft that will comprise the 25 aircraft in the order at a later date.

In addition to the 125 firm orders, TWA has taken options on an additional 50 McDonnell Douglas MD-95 and an additional 75 A320 Family aircraft.

The MD-95s will be powered by BR715 engines manufactured by BMW Rolls Royce. The A318s will be powered by the newly designed PW6000
engines manufactured by Pratt & Whitney. Engines for A320 Family aircraft other than the A318 have not been selected.

TWA has secured financing for all of the firm order airframes and engines.

``The management of TWA is focused on securing and building this airline's future. One way we do this is by securing for our people the very best tools
with which they can do business. Our agreements with Airbus and B***** will provide those tools and will fashion our narrow-body aircraft acquisition
program for the next decade,'' said Gerald L. Gitner, chairman and chief executive officer.

``The aircraft in these orders, when delivered, will complete the revitalization of our narrow-body fleet that began in 1996 with the delivery of our first
757 and continues today. In 1999, TWA will receive 37 previously ordered new Boeing aircraft, including 24 MD83s (McDonnell Douglas aircraft), 12 757s and one 767-300 -- on
average, more than one new aircraft every ten days. We have retired our 747 and L1011 fleets and will have the opportunity to retire the 727 fleet as early
as the end of 1999. By the end of 1999, TWA will have replaced at least 42 percent of the fleet since 1996,'' Gitner said.

``TWA's previous aircraft orders are reducing TWA's average aircraft age from more than 19 years in 1996 to 11.3 years on New Year's Day, 2000. The
new orders announced today will continually reduce average aircraft age, to 10.3 years by the start of 2003 and 7.3 years by the start of 2007. TWA is
building one of the most modern fleets in the airline industry,'' Gitner said.

``This aircraft order will enable TWA to continue its fleet renewal through the first decade of the next century with modern, state-of-the-art aircraft, as
well as provide TWA the opportunity to grow our fleet,'' said William F. Compton, president and chief operating officer. ``Each of the aircraft models in
this order has a particular and important role to play in TWA's future.''

TWA currently is one of the world's largest operators of DC9 aircraft. The new MD-95 in TWA's configuration will upgrade and replace the DC9, offering
improved range and payload characteristics in a state-of-the-art, environmentally friendly new aircraft. TWA expects the MD-95 to deliver a 35 percent
direct operating cost advantage over the DC9. TWA plans to operate 30 previously hushkitted DC9s after the Stage III conversion deadline of December
31, 1999. As the MD-95s enter the fleet the DC9s will be phased out by 2005.

TWA plans to configure its MD-95 aircraft with 111 passengers seats including 16 in the Trans World First cabin and 95 in the main cabin.

``The 717 is an ideally suited full-size, high-frequency hub airliner that will serve the heart of America from our St. Louis hub, allowing TWA to provide
new services economically to new North American cities from the Rockies eastward to the Atlantic, as well as from New York to destinations throughout
the eastern half of North America,'' Compton said.

TWA will be the first airline customer for the A318 and the PW6000 engine. The A318 will be Airbus's newest model, incorporating all of Airbus's
renowned technology and powered by Pratt & Whitney's newest engine, the PW6000. TWA plans to configure the A318 for 110 passengers, including
16 in the Trans World First cabin and 94 in the main cabin. The A318 cabin will include all the amenities to which passengers have become accustomed in
the cabins of other A320 Family aircraft.

From TWA's St. Louis hub the medium-range A318 will be able to reach any destination in the 48 contiguous United States, Canada or Mexico; from
New York, it will be able to fly to any U.S. or Canadian destination east of the Rockies. The A318's 110-seat capacity with approximately 2,000 mile
range will enable TWA to use the aircraft to open new markets and add frequency on longer, thinner routes from St. Louis, New York and other cities
throughout TWA's North American network.

``For many important destinations on the West Coast, for example, our 142-seat MD83s are too large to deploy with the amount of frequency business
travelers require. The new A318 will allow TWA to address this need. It will offer the size and range to enable TWA to serve many of these destinations
more economically from our St. Louis hub. As the St. Louis airport is expanded -- about the time the A318s begin arriving -- our hub schedule will be
able to grow with the airport. Additionally, the A318s will be available to replace some of our older MD80s as leases on those aircraft expire, and will
support fleet growth as our markets evolve and grow,'' Compton said.

Under TWA's agreement with Airbus, the twenty-five A320 Family aircraft are scheduled for delivery in 2005-2007.

``This fleet plan using Airbus and McDonnell Douglas aircraft gives TWA the flexibility to reevaluate our narrow-body fleet plan periodically, knowing that we can
adjust the orders to provide the aircraft we need, whether that need is for more 100-seaters to support TWA's hub operations or off-hub flying, or for
larger aircraft to replace or supplement various 140 to 180 seat planes coming off lease in the coming decade,'' Gitner said.

``We couldn't be more pleased that TWA chose the MD-95 for its high frequency routes,'' said Alan Mulally, Boeing Commercial Airplanes president.
``This decision is particularly meaningful to us because TWA looked at all its options, and ultimately they chose the MD-95 for its low operating costs and
overall value it provides.''

``We're very pleased that TWA, a pioneer in introducing new aircraft, is the first airline to commit to the new A318,'' said Noel Forgeard, Airbus
Industrie's chief executive officer. ``The A320 Family is a perfect fit for TWA's expanding route system. It also offers the flexibility to answer the
airline's 100-to-185 seat requirements.''

``We are thrilled that TWA, a Pratt & Whitney customer almost from the time our company was founded, is once again building its future with Pratt
power,'' said Karl J. Krapek, Pratt & Whitney president. ``We want TWA to know that every one of us at Pratt is committed to making the PW6000 the
industry leader in cost, performance and reliability.''

``TWA's order for 50 McDonnell Douglas MD-95-30 twinjets is a breakthrough for our BR715 engines in the airline market. This agreement with TWA will send a
signal to interested airlines world-wide,'' said Dr. Klaus Nittinger, chairman of BMW Rolls Royce. ``As a major supplier and partner in the aircraft
program, we are proud to contribute with the reliability and the economical, ecological performance of the BR715 to this market success.''

TWA flies approximately two million passengers per month on more than 800 daily flights to 90 destinations in America, the Caribbean, Europe, Africa
and the Middle East. Frequent Flyer/J.D. Power & Associates recently named TWA the number one airline in 1998 in customer satisfaction for long
flights, meaning domestic flights of 500 miles or more.


User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

To CX747:


EXACTLY!!. They might as well buy some 737-500s and some A319s.
the A318 and the 717 carry nearly the same amount of people and have the same range.

why not buy some 717s to replace the DC-9s and then some wide body planes like maybe an A330 or a 767-400 instead of wasting money on the A318? TWA has hardly any aircraft with a range long enough to fly overseas with. I believe (correct me if Im wrong) the largest aircraft they have is the 767-200ER. so why not try to rebuild your status as a major carrier by buying bigger planes?


User currently offlineflyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Airbear, they have the 767-300.

They seem to have a fleet sort of like USAirways.


User currently offlineDREW From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

I dont understand why they would order both A318 and the 717. They should have just stuck to 717 even though I like the A318 better. Why because the 717 has a little comonality with the rest of there MD fleet. I really dont understand the reason for this order for airbus. I know they bought a couple of A330s a couple of years ago they probably cancelled this and ordered the A320 family instead. BUT WHY?

User currently offlineLaura Watson From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Why did TWA cancel their A330 order?

User currently offlineUALA319 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

At first glance this is a puzzling order by TWA to order both the A318 and the 717, but it does actually make sense when you think about it. The 717 is more profitable on shorter routes (under a thousand miles) while the A318 will be more suited to replace MD-80's and 727's on longer routes from St. Louis to both coasts. This sort of shows you that TWA is downsizing- replacing 150-seat MD-80's with 100-seat A318's. The 25 A320 family airplanes will probably be used on transcontinental routes (from JFK).

This order is really important for jobs in both the U.S. and Europe. It will keep the Long Beach facility open at least another year and assures the launch of the A318. So it is good news all around.


User currently offlineDrew From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Beats me they probably canceled it due to they did not have money at the time of order or probably there more interested in the 757/767 aircrafts.

User currently offlineDrew From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Your right UALA319 I totally agree with you.

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

I understand what UALA319 is saying, but TWA is making a big mistake. This order contradicts itself. Why order two competing aircraft from two different manufacturers? Even though I am a Boeing fan, they should have stuck with the A320 family. This just shows that management at TWA has no idea what they are doing. NO IDEA AT ALL.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineFedEx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (16 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Laura they cancelled the A330 order becuase
they didn't have the cash.


User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (16 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

To Laura,

TWA never had an A330 order. USAir does. I think they still do


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