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A 37th Dose Of Irish Aviation!  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12598 posts, RR: 34
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7821 times:

Good evening folks and welcome to thread 37/07!

Well, what an August it has been! Near strike, more share purchases, govt climbing (very gingerly) off the fence. Is there no end to the excitement August can bring us?

It's a big relief that the EI pilot strike has ended, although I see in this evening's news that the talks have stopped ... for the rest of this week? Sounds a bit odd to me; surely if they've made progress, they could continue. (They have made progress - and don't call me Shirley!)

Anyway, FR's gameplan still remains a mystery. The Indo today suggested that it was MO'L upping the ante with Our Great Leader, de Dark Lord of Drumcondra ... Seriously, though, this does need some thought. If he can't buy anymore than .55%, what's his plan? A poster on PPRUNE suggested that his plan was to twist Bertie's arm into letting him have his own terminal at DUB; possibly, but doesn't ring true. Competition issues still apply.

So, what's next? Well, if someone asked any of us a month ago to predict what would happen in August, I think we'd have been pretty surprised (even if there was already talk about SNN-LHR being axed). So, I'm not going to make any predictions going forward, apart from saying it will be very interesting.

In the immortal words of Bette Davis: fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy night!

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7814 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
It's a big relief that the EI pilot strike has ended, although I see in this evening's news that the talks have stopped ... for the rest of this week? Sounds a bit odd to me; surely if they've made progress, they could continue. (They have made progress - and don't call me Shirley!)

I thought I heard it wrong when I saw the news. So they are going to stop talking for nearly a whole week!!! Sounds strange to me also .


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7802 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Anyway, FR's gameplan still remains a mystery.

Well according to that article in the Indo FR have the whole lot of them in a right mess. The goverenment sure as hell don't want to vote on the SNN-LHR issue. Abstaining is the only way IMHO that Bertie and Co can go. So that leaves the ball in the employees court. They surely can't vote to accept the scrapping of the route. MOL can hardy contain himself with this latest piece of work. (of course this all assuming that he can get a motion to a vote at the EGM)


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12598 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

I think it's worth copying that Indo article here:

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...rn-with-new-share-buy-1063028.html

It is all very interesting indeed and although various ministers have suggested that MOL's intentions are unlikely to be altruistic (ya think?), it is an opportunity for employees to exercise some power, but will they? That's the thing - and, as the Tribune suggested on Friday, they may need 75% rather than 50%. Personally, I find the 75% claim a bit odd, because if the vote goes (say) 65:35 against EI management, it may fall short of the requirement, but it's still a moral victory. I suspect the govt will abstain; it's about all it can really do - sit on that fence which it has occupied for so long. However, I don't think we've seen the last of this issue yet, by a long stretch.

Can we just summarise EI shareholdings?:

FR 29.4%
Govt 25%
ESOT 12% ?
Pilots ?
Denis O'Brien 4% (?) - very unlikely to support MO'L
Institutional investors - ?

However, I have to say that I suspect there's more to this than meets the eye. There has to be. Let's say the vote goes MO'L's way; the airline has to (?) restore SNN-LHR. What does FR/MOL gain? Well, for a start, a new mgmt at EI which, MO'L/FR being the biggest shareholder, will be in a position to influence (i.e. can veto any CEO he doesn't want?). In other words, we have to look beyond just saving SNN-LHR. He has not just spent €37.5m for 4% more of EI just because he thinks SNN needs an LHR link!


User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7778 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
However, I have to say that I suspect there's more to this than meets the eye. There has to be. Let's say the vote goes MO'L's way; the airline has to (?) restore SNN-LHR. What does FR/MOL gain? Well, for a start, a new mgmt at EI which, MO'L/FR being the biggest shareholder, will be in a position to influence (i.e. can veto any CEO he doesn't want?). In other words, we have to look beyond just saving SNN-LHR. He has not just spent €37.5m for 4% more of EI just because he thinks SNN needs an LHR link!

No. MOL claerly has some alterior motive for doing this but it is anyones guess as to what that is. Apparently FR have reached the maximum permissible shareholding without making an all out bit for the reminder of the airline which of course is something they have already done & been shot down by the European Commission. What does this mean now? Can FR continue to buy stock or does this mean that they have to stop buying? Interesting times ahead.

This issue of talks being suspended for a week seems very odd indeed. I thought it was a misprint when I read it but it seems like these reports are correct. Looks like we'll be needing a few more threads before the end of August.



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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 4):
No. MOL claerly has some alterior motive for doing this but it is anyones guess as to what that is.

Of course he does, I have a few guesses what it might be, but I'm sure he might surprise me in the end even so.

On a personal note.

My parents booked an EI flight (about 2 months ago) to JFK flying out tomorrow, when the strike was called they changed it too Thursday (free of charge), yesterday after the strike was called off they had (and took) the option to change it back free of charge.

I've also booked a weekend in Oslo for myself flying SAS (kinda always wanted too since I used to handle them in DUB), DUB - CPH - OSL over and OSL - DUB back, I'm looking forward to it I have to say, I'm getting an MD80 under my belt for the trip over, 198 euro all in.



John Hancock
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 5):
I've also booked a weekend in Oslo for myself flying SAS (kinda always wanted too since I used to handle them in DUB), DUB - CPH - OSL over and OSL - DUB back, I'm looking forward to it I have to say, I'm getting an MD80 under my belt for the trip over, 198 euro all in.

Nice one. Do a TR . You will like SK and the MD-80 im sure.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7695 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Do a TR

hmmm, we'll see, I'm not the very Trip reportie type.



John Hancock
User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 691 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

I'm glad the strike was called off. It has been very interesting so far. The big question is what is MOL up to. Since the EU blocked the deal, FR has opened or announced more new routes in competition with EI. The lack of competition post FR/EI merger was one of the main reasons the merger was refused by the EU. Regarding putting someone on the board, surely a conflict of interest would arise resulting in the FR rep being kicked out of all board meetings.

On another topic, my outlaws are on holidays in the Algarve at the moment with Michael Stein Travel. They flew out with Flightline/Aviajet and told me there were 50 people on the flight. Whilst in resort they received a letter from their tour operator saying their return flight details have been changed. On Thursday they will be driven to Seville and will be flying back with EI. Thats some drive, anyone any idea why this is being done?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

Quoting Bx737 (Reply 8):
Michael Stein Travel



Quoting Bx737 (Reply 8):
On Thursday they will be driven to Seville and will be flying back with EI. Thats some drive, anyone any idea why this is being done?

Doesnt suprise me one bit !!! They are like Budget Travel !!! In other instances they have not sold enough seats so axe the charter flight and go onto EI.COM and more often Ryanair.com and book their passengers back that way !!! They must be raking it in.....Try using their booking system its even worse. Ive heard of peoples 7 night holiday turning into 6 nights with no compensation.


User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 691 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Doesnt suprise me one bit !!!

Interesting to have a different perspective on things. I would have thought they were quite good, you don't hear of the bad things about them. The question has to be asked if I walked into your travel agency (as I'm figuring you're a travel agent although more business travel than bucket and spade travel) and I wanted to go with Michael Stein that you would encourage me to use someone other tour operator. This is good to know for future reference.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

Quoting Bx737 (Reply 10):
I walked into your travel agency (as I'm figuring you're a travel agent although more business travel than bucket and spade travel) and I wanted to go with Michael Stein that you would encourage me to use someone other tour operator. This is good to know for future reference.

Well your right I do more high end market stuff and mostly business travel but have years of experience in all aspects of travel including airlines/accounts/sales/Even did my cabin crew training but thats more than 10 years ago, one flight and jacked it in !!! Long story lol....

If I was to be totally honest I do recommend certain companies over others as I see it as my duty to do so. Its my reputation thats on the line also. If someone has a good experience then they will say ''we booked through .......... in ....... and had a great time, we will go back to them next time and highly recommend them'' . Those are the comments I like to hear and strive always to make sure my clients are looked after. All staff in the company are highly trained with years of experience and have travelled extensively and worked abroad. We pride ourselves on our knowledge and are celebrating our 30th year of operation so I guess that says it all. If someone comes in and wants to book a certain company then we will offer honest advice without slandering any company but you cant lie to a client either. This year we have had very few complaints and the ones that did come in were about delayed flights which is a fact of life.

I know alot of other companies where the staff would sell you anything and dont know what they are selling and it makes me cringe when Ive been in certain places just to nosey and listen. For my corporates I check them in online and email them their boarding passes. I have often gotten tickets re issued for clients at the ticket desks when Ive been flying out of Dublin airport so the client does not have to que on the day. I guess thats why we have 85% of our clients that are repeat and often have been booking for the last 5-10 years. They appreciate the extra mile that we go.

[Edited 2007-08-22 01:41:56]

User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

My wild guess about MOL's plan. He wins vote. DM resigns because of the lack of support. A number of other senior management follow. Government desperately tries to find new CEO but nobody decent wants to lead such a company. Pure disarray for months and months. Unions get restless. EI's expansion plans wither. EI tries to fly to LHR from DUB/BFS/SNN and ORK. All suffer from the reorganised schedules. FR's London traffic grows. EI starts to lose money. Unions get more restless. Strikes. Bankruptcy.

While this is a worse case scenario, the more trouble MOL can throw at EI the better for him and FR. At best, some lawyer will show that this involvement in EI is anti-competitive (since he is effecting control over EI) and he will have to sell up. While I saw advantages in FR maintaining its shares in EI (destroying EI would mean it would lose money), clearly FR doesn't care about any losses in its investment and it is purely mischief making to detriment of EI.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

Quoting EI564 (Reply 12):
Government desperately tries to find new CEO but nobody decent wants to lead such a company. Pure disarray for months and months. Unions get restless. EI's expansion plans wither. EI tries to fly to LHR from DUB/BFS/SNN and ORK. All suffer from the reorganised schedules. FR's London traffic grows. EI starts to lose money. Unions get more restless. Strikes. Bankruptcy.

LOL....youd be good in Samaritans LOL..... Jesus I hope your wrong . Well at least for November/December anyway !!! Please no trouble for those months ...Ive got a few EI things booked  pray 


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12598 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7570 times:

Quoting EI564 (Reply 12):
My wild guess about MOL's plan. He wins vote. DM resigns because of the lack of support. A number of other senior management follow. Government desperately tries to find new CEO but nobody decent wants to lead such a company. Pure disarray for months and months. Unions get restless. EI's expansion plans wither. EI tries to fly to LHR from DUB/BFS/SNN and ORK. All suffer from the reorganised schedules. FR's London traffic grows. EI starts to lose money. Unions get more restless. Strikes. Bankruptcy.

Unfortunately, I think you might be right here. The political consequences for the govt would be severe. However, I wonder if the trustees of the various funds (ESOT, pilots etc.) will see this. They'd look a right pack of charlies (to put it mildly) if they voted with FR and FR then proceeded to wreck the airline. It's about far more than SNN-LHR now.

I think MO'L's view is that "if I can't have it one way, I'll have it another". Create as much havoc as possible and then, when it's on its knees, VOOM ... in like a shot: the knight in (low cost, biodegradable) shining armour.

Can you imagine the political consequences for Bertie - not just in the west - if that were to happen? Ouch.


User currently offlineSeanjohn From Russia, joined Aug 2007, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

About time you guys got a hold of yourselves!
Was not aware that Michael O'Leary was God or, for that matter, the Devil!
Was also not aware that he owned Ryanair!
Was aware that he has a highly sophisticated board and a lot of shareholders
Was not aware that it was unacceptable for companies to make money in Ireland - someone forgot to tell the banks, etc
Ryanair's greatest asset is not Michael O'Leary but its cost ratio. If that slips then 'God' himself won't survive!
Maybe Ryanair believes that Belfast will be a success and therefore s sound investment - Aer Lingus shares pay dividends!

OA260
Sounds like you provide better service than some of the airlines your clients use!

Happy landings
J


User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7536 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
I think MO'L's view is that "if I can't have it one way, I'll have it another". Create as much havoc as possible and then, when it's on its knees, VOOM ... in like a shot: the knight in (low cost, biodegradable) shining armour.

 laughing   laughing   laughing 

Seriously though, if MO'L's plans are as being suggested here then "de Dark Lord of Drumcondra" as Kaitak calls him along with his new commission really need to find a replacement so that way the government can vote with EI management at the EGM without too much political fallout. This Cityjet SNN-LCY & SNN-CDG thing could work. There was a report on Ireland AM there the other morning where some buisness expert was being interviewed & she said that she had talked to buisness people in the region other than those who we see from the Atlantic Connectivity Alliance & she had asked them how they would feel about Cityjet operating SNN-LCY & SNN-CDG as opposed to EI's SNN-LHR service & most of them said that yes, they could work quite well with that arrangement.



Next Flights: CX178 MEL-HKG; CX257 HKG-LHR; EI387 LHR-SNN; EI384 SNN-LHR; CX250 LHR-HKG; CX135 HKG-MEL
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

Quoting Seanjohn (Reply 15):
OA260
Sounds like you provide better service than some of the airlines your clients use!

True. The standards of training and knowledge in the airlines has been slowly going down and down for years now. Long gone the days of the old school who actually knew their job inside out and used their initiative when problems arise. Alot of the time you get a blank expression on their face. Many a time when I have had problems I take matters into my own hands and sort it out myself. Saves alot of grief. There are still of course many highly trained individuals still in the airlines but they are by no means the majority.


User currently offlineSeanjohn From Russia, joined Aug 2007, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7498 times:

OA260

By the way I should mention that I use the services of a travel agency, for most of my bookings. A company based here which is okay but with a fantastic employee - I guess similar to you in the services your provide. She knows what I want, and some times even before I do!!!

The occasional rant and rave usually gets problems solved - here anyway!

J


User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 691 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7495 times:

Unfortunately I would agree with OA260, problems are sometimes met with the "wha?" factor. There is not as much willingness to help out as there used to be. I think its symptomatic of business where the level of profit is now the driving factor rather than good customer service. In the case of EI from 2001 to date, all sections took hits in terms of staff reductions. Some sections namely pilots and cabin crews have seen their numbers rise, whereas the background sections such as customer service have not seen the numbers rise at all. Indeed the Director of Consumer Affairs complained publically about not being able to get a response from EI, a very visible demonstration of my point. Even look at how the strike was handled. Basically this showed a we don't give a damn attitude. It is annoying when pax have legitimate complaints about the whole package and want to talk to someone in the company about it. They realise that the cabin crew are not the ones to blame and will not be able to sort it. The crew know that there is no one in the background to handle this to the passengers satisfaction. DM is apparently reading all reports submitted by Cabin Managers to find out what the views of pax are, but whether anything will be done is another question. The cabin crew are still submitting the same reports about shortages of food on European flights nearly four years after the pay bar was introduced.

Having crossed swords with Seanjohn before, I now find myself agreeing with him. MOL is playing a tricky game. I think that there are problems with FR. A theory: FR realise that they have committed to far too many aircraft and need to buy EI to have a ready market for 30+ 737s. FR were able to hire out 2 737-800s to EI for 2 days during the height of the Summer season, why? If I were an FR shareholder I would be demanding an answer to that. FR has once again promised a bloodbath for the winter, is the market as bad as MOL is painting. This coupled with the grounding of 737s out of STN due to a dispute with the BAA. Is MOL trying to divert attention from a poor FR performance?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7495 times:

Quoting Seanjohn (Reply 18):
By the way I should mention that I use the services of a travel agency, for most of my bookings. A company based here which is okay but with a fantastic employee - I guess similar to you in the services your provide. She knows what I want, and some times even before I do!!!

The occasional rant and rave usually gets problems solved - here anyway!

Glad to hear it . You hear so many negative things about agents but there are a select few that still strive for their clients.
I might also add that independent agencies are often at the top for customer service.  thumbsup 


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7491 times:

Some news snippets ::

Airline launches new financial services tie-ins - Ryanair has launched three new financial services tie-ins and repackaged its full financial portfolio into a new website. The new deals will see the Ryanair brand name used to sell house insurance, foreign exchange and prepaid Visa vouchers. The newcomers join Ryanair's existing financial services (including life assurance, travel assurance and credit cards) on Ryanairmoney.com
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UK watchdog rules that Ryanair ad about Eurostar was not true - The budget airline has been banned from claiming it was quicker and better value to take a plane rather than the train to the Belgian capital, after the Advertising Standards Authority upheld complaints that the promotion was misleading
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Airline users lodge the most complaints - Air travellers were responsible for the largest portion of complaints to the Dublin-based European consumer body the European Consumer Centre last year.
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Aer Arann may open new routes - Aer Arann is considering new routes to Britain from Kerry following higher than expected passenger numbers on the Kerry-Manchester route serving the British midlands.
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Ryanair to suspend Charleroi flights - Ryanair has suspended all flights from its hub at Charleroi near Brussels from November 12th because it wants a guarantee there will be no more wildcat strikes, a statement on its website said. The airport was paralysed by a strike on the weekend of 15th to 17th June.

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Profile of Padraig O'Ceidigh, 100% owner of Aer Arann, outlining his management strategy and speculating that he may seek to sell part or all of the company.


User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7472 times:

Quoting Bx737 (Reply 19):
Having crossed swords with Seanjohn before, I now find myself agreeing with him. MOL is playing a tricky game. I think that there are problems with FR. A theory: FR realise that they have committed to far too many aircraft and need to buy EI to have a ready market for 30+ 737s. FR were able to hire out 2 737-800s to EI for 2 days during the height of the Summer season, why? If I were an FR shareholder I would be demanding an answer to that. FR has once again promised a bloodbath for the winter, is the market as bad as MOL is painting. This coupled with the grounding of 737s out of STN due to a dispute with the BAA. Is MOL trying to divert attention from a poor FR performance?

Also they are looking to suspend all services at CRL in November. If this happens, FR would have a lot of spare aircraft.

You have to give it to FR for the markets they have opened with their routes but I just wonder have they over-judged the market.
If we break it down.

FR currently have a fleet of 137 aircraft.
They have 171 on order with a further 114 options.

We know that FR retire their birds early/sell on however, the 171 on order are deliveries up to 2012.

FR from all accounts got a good deal from Boeing but what would happen if FR could not sell on the older planes. Will Boeing take them back? Will they slow down deliveries.

IMHO I do believe their expansion plans are unsustainable.

Sure look at FR now, they are going into the house insurance market.

In terms of his increase shareholding in EI, part of me makes me wonder if MOL is on a mission to get DM and Bertie out of the way. Is this a FR strategy to increase the EI shareholding or is it MOL policy???
If I was a head guy in one of the fund managers who hold a large block of FR shares, I would be asking a good few questions of MOL.

1. Why are you increasing your stock in a company you know you cannot buy?
2. Why are you buying stock in a company you are looking to have an egm where the potential for making more money using a BFS-LHR route could be blocked?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
Aer Arann may open new routes - Aer Arann is considering new routes to Britain from Kerry following higher than expected passenger numbers on the Kerry-Manchester route serving the British midlands.

This is excellent news. Whilst I have never flown RE, I think their business model is excellent (turboprop 70 seater planes, perfect for the routes they fly). They are capitalising on the regions airports to mainly UK destinations that would have decent load factors.
Whenever RE/EI get there codeshare up and running, I can see RE becoming a airline that will network all the regions airports together.
If you look at it, especially US visitors whom would be more accustomed to internal flights, when EI and RE tie up, they will hopefully be able to go on to EI.com or RE's site and book a flight, for example to DUB (EI), then on to ORK (RE). After a few days fly ORK to GWY (RE). Drive to SXL-Sligo (RE) and get a flight back to DUB.
I can honestly see RE connecting more of the regional airports with each other if the codeshare took off.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7415 times:

I see that SQ get their A380 in TLS on the 15th October!!! Daytrip to TLS out at 7am and back Via Paris is €150 !!! Im very tempted!!! Im sure it will be packed though that day.

User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 831 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7405 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 5):
I've also booked a weekend in Oslo for myself flying SAS (kinda always wanted too since I used to handle them in DUB), DUB - CPH - OSL over and OSL - DUB back, I'm looking forward to it I have to say, I'm getting an MD80 under my belt for the trip over, 198 euro all in.

I flew with SAS to OSL through CPH a couple of years ago. The trip/service was great with very pleasant crews, MD82/A321/A321/MD87 over the four flights. As it was a last minute trip, (ie. found out I was going and was on the way to the airport within an hour), I ended up in business class. The catering order was short one C class meal, so I ended up getting Y class food, but before landing one of the cabin crew came down to me with a bag with various types of alcohol as an apology for not having the business meal... shame I don't drink!! All in all, SAS were great to fly with.

Quoting Bx737 (Reply 8):
On another topic, my outlaws are on holidays in the Algarve at the moment with Michael Stein Travel. They flew out with Flightline/Aviajet and told me there were 50 people on the flight. Whilst in resort they received a letter from their tour operator saying their return flight details have been changed. On Thursday they will be driven to Seville and will be flying back with EI. Thats some drive, anyone any idea why this is being done?

That sure is some drive... I've done it too. Back in the 90s, I was on a family holiday in the Algarve - we had a Sunworld package. The flights out and back were with Transaer... remember that shower?? After waiting at the gate in Dublin for ages, we were finally boarded only to have another long wait before departure. We were on a good old cramped A300. Finally the flight crew came on the PA and told us that as "only 7 of our 8 brakes were operating", the runway in Faro was not long enough for us and we would instead be flying to Seville, with a bus transfer to Faro. Again after a further delay we finally got away and landed in Seville. On arrival, there were no Sunworld staff to meet us and no offers of assistance. We were waiting for an hour or two before buses finally arrived to take us across the border to Portugal. Of course, the bus company decided to pull in for refreshments a few kms shy of the border, very sensible as none of us had any pesetas and we all got reamed by the locals who would accept escudos at ridiculously inflated prices! By the time we got to the hotel, everyone was convinced this was all a scam. It didn't help when we heard that the same excuse had been given to the passengers that flew down the week before us... same story... brakes... buses... lack of pesetas and unhappy passengers!

Quoting Bx737 (Reply 19):
This coupled with the grounding of 737s out of STN due to a dispute with the BAA.

I don't read much into the grounding of aircraft in STN. FR are fantastic when it comes to PR... as we saw with the advertising for the back to school sale! FR are selling several aircraft this winter at a significant profit and these are no doubt the aircraft reductions that reflect the flights being reduced. MOL's comment about being able to make more money by parking the aircraft instead of flying them just makes me laugh... why not park the entire fleet then??! It is just PR and a way of sticking it to the BAA.

FR will be getting rid of a large number of aircraft between now and 2012 and I don't think they will suffer from over-capacity. FR, out of all airlines, are right up there when it comes to making money, I don't think they have bitten off more than they can chew. Even if they see a slowdown in traffic, they can just sell the production slots.



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25 EDICHC : Greetings to all regulars on these threads, I've been a regular follower without having real cause to post until now. I really hope there are no major
26 Post contains links OA260 : Your always welcome. Must be great living in NZ . One place Ive always wanted to see. The Ad on TV would make you want to go even if you didnt before
27 Smokeyrosco : has he not already sold them and on a lease back plan or was that a rumor? Also my parents flew out on EI 105 this morning, My mother texted me as th
28 AerArann : RE management are apparently considering basing a 72' @ KIR to serve destinations incl. MAN, BHX and (BRS or CWL) Not including the ATR that overnigh
29 EISHN : That's great news. Are pax allowed to use devices like PSP's (Play Station Portable) during flight? On my LAX-DUB flight, the kid in front of me spen
30 EI787 : Flights 48/49 are normally a 747 and flights 52/53 are a 777. In actual fact my aunt, uncle and cousin are coming home from SEA, arriving in next Tue
31 EISHN : Thanks EI787. I didn't know that BA had two flights. I'm off to SEA next month, So I'll make sure I get the 48. About 2/3 of the 744 fleet are nealry
32 OA260 : I have to say I love the T7 and 744 so I would take T7 out and 744 back or vise versa. Great to see RE doing well. Id still love to see some Ejets fo
33 Smokeyrosco : I used a PSP on 6 or 7 flights now, both Europe and the US (also EI DUB-BOS-DUB) I never had a problem so I'd imagine it's ok, although they did ask
34 Post contains links Kaitak : Good review here on EI flight; always nice to see. http://www.carsurvey.org/air/review_14247.html What's the latest on the VS input into improving EI'
35 Post contains images OA260 : I wonder when we will see the EI Club House complete with Golf course and restaurant If someone was on DUO or DUZ and EI upgraded their catering I do
36 Post contains images EISHN : Personally I'd prefer an aircraft simulator, and a massage, but that's just me! He was lkucky to get DUZ and DUO. Unfortunetley he probably doesn't r
37 Shamrock104 : some free booze would also be nice : )
38 Provance : I'd say hell will freeze over quicker then getting some free hooch from EI
39 Post contains links Kaitak : FF apparently involved in spin, "to protect EI share price"! http://www.independent.ie/national-n...oring-up---aer-lingus-1064116.html Some will proba
40 OA260 : Maybe its C0 . I dont think a huge fuss would be made on B2 axing a twice weekly service. With LO axing DUB and putting a minimal C0 service on the D
41 EDICHC : Well since moving here a year ago, I must admit I think I made the right choice, especially living here on the South Island. If you like wide open sp
42 OA260 : I wouldnt mine being 3 and a half hours from SYD...lol I know what you mean though. About 10 years ago I did look into spending a few years in NZ and
43 Shamrock350 : Just arrived back in London, flights were great with EI, got an exit row this morning and the cabin crew were very nice as usual. A full report with m
44 Post contains images OA260 : Hey there Shamrock , welcome back. Looking forward to your TR . You always get good pics. Did you pre pay for exit row seats or did you just check yo
45 EIBoston : Yes for SFO and IAD but BOS is still the same as this year. 2 flights - 132/133 and 136/137.
46 Shamrock350 : When I checked in at Fast Pass, I had been assigned the exit seats and decided to keep them. I was given seat 13A, the leg room was good but looking
47 Post contains links OA260 : Thats great . Ive tried to upload my videos before but for some reason it doesnt work. Anyone wanting to sign the Shannon petition please see below :
48 Post contains images EISHN : Yawn.... Been there done that already. It's a load of bull. Apparentley Osama Bin LAden is also interested in keeping the route open as well Looking
49 OA260 : Which tool signed his name as Osama lol... Hmm have to agree SNN is like stepping back in time and has a charm about it.[Edited 2007-08-23 15:14:41]
50 Shamrock350 : I did indeed and the many Ryanair adverts!
51 Post contains links AerArann : www.skyscanner.net
52 OA260 : Yeah I have that in my favourites. I think it was you that told me about it before. Its quite a good booking tool.
53 Danny : " target=_blank>http:// Is there a petition supporting EI? I'd sign that one.
54 EIDAA : Me too.
55 OA260 : Why dont you make one . It would be insteresting to see how many for and how many against. It wont affect me personally but I do feel sorry for the W
56 Kaitak : FF seems to have got itself into a right mess over its attempted spin on the SNN-LHR issue; it's now claiming that its silence has helped EI's share p
57 Rineanna : That would be class to have another US major flying its own metal into DUB. Add a NW service to Detroit and we have the lot! Looking forward to it. T
58 Kaitak : Good news if it happens, but what about EI's plan to interline with them? I guess "gone by the wayside". I don't think it was ever the plan to operat
59 EISHN : No non-stop DUB-BOS? That's dissapointing. Also, to see that LAX will move down to 5 weekly from a daily this Summer is a pity, cause the flights eac
60 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Here's my LHR-SNN trip report, Heathrow-Shannon On Aer Lingus Pics/Videos (by Shamrock350 Aug 23 2007 in Trip Reports) Hope you like!
61 EIBoston : Yes there is. I think Kaitak covers that with 'one n/s'
62 OA260 : Are these in addition to the ones comming in 2009??? Or are these the ones. Aer Lingus are already interlining with UA and B6 just not on their websi
63 Post contains images Kaitak : Yes, sorry, I wasn't completely clear there - one of each: one n/s, one via SNN. It's quite an interesting schedule. Just to clarify what I said earl
64 Kaitak : No, this is 2008 we're talking about, so it must be two additional aircraft, over and above the A330s coming in 2009 (which will be A330-300Es).
65 EISHN : Sorry guys, I missed that part. Thanks for clearing it up. Lets not forget EI-DAA as well. She could certainly do with a makeover inside! By the way,
66 Smokeyrosco : I'm hearing noise about two aircraft next year although they are strictly rumors I wouldn't usually talk about... having said that I know there has t
67 Post contains images EISHN : I don't really see the need for a connection to DFW. Apart from connections with AA, I don't think there's really a market, is there? Of course, what
68 EI787 : Do you earn Gold Circle points on domestic DUB-SNN-DUB flights? There doesn't seem to be anything on the website about it. OA260 - you flew that route
69 EISHN : I've heard you do. It won't be much though. It might be 100 per sector, like U.K. routes. Maybe less.
70 Smokeyrosco : EI published a list of 12 or 14 US cities it wanted to fly to 2 or 3 years ago, DFW was about halfway down that list. If EI has it's eyes on even 10
71 OA260 : To be honest Im not sure. I certainly used to . I actually had a run in with GC a few years back and left them. Anyway I got asked a few months back
72 Kaitak : Very nasty weather yesterday evening in Chicago (it really was the windy city and not mighty pretty!), with ORD actually shut down for a while; many f
73 Provance :
74 Tonymctigue : Good morning all. I heard there yesterday on Clare FM that Belavia are considering dropping the SNN-MSQ service with a decision due next month. Has an
75 Post contains images N272WA : SNN to Mineralnye Vody, Kaliningrad, Kishinev with SU Tupolev's..... Air Ukraine to Lvov and Kiev....
76 OA260 : Well hopefully this is the Eastern European airline considering pulling out and not Central Wings. It would be less of a blow. Whilst it would be a s
77 Pilot21 : Like you Kaitak, while not wanting to disregard Bx737's comments, I've never heard or seen a PAL order for A330's that could be cancelled. There appe
78 BrianDromey : It seems bmi are to delaly transalantic operationd from LHR for 12 months. Which might jst be a smart decision. They have a tough job integrating BMED
79 Pilot21 : How long til we see EI start to charge for airport check-in as well?: Ryanair Holdings Plc, Europe's biggest discount airline, will begin charging for
80 JWMD123 : So basically, if you have a family of 4 going on a weeks holiday with baggage now have to pay an extra E12 to check in but also your bags as well????
81 COEI2007 : Probably mentioned before but I see EI are increasing SFO and IAD and BOS for next year Yes for SFO and IAD but BOS is still the same as this year. 2
82 Danny : So this is essentially additional compulsory charge. I bought 3 tickets for my family for November and paid for checking our bags already. Now they w
83 BrianDromey : I think so. They have very tough target to meet for ancillary revenues. The FR OLCI is a bit of a mess really... day one - free, inclusive of speedy
84 IKECVN69 : EI122 left ORD at 8:05PM last night. Scheduled for 4:20PM. Arrived in DUB at 8:54AM. Scheduled for 5:50AM. 125/124 does not operate on Thursdays.
85 Post contains images Pilot21 : Just looking at this, did you see that the Munster team who are playing the US eagles in Chicago on Sunday flew out of SNN on Wednesday with AA - wit
86 EISHN : They probably took AA so they could sit in the F section without having to pay a J class fare like on AA. They get a domestic F seat, with a slightly
87 EIBoston : There is only 1 flight out of SNN with AA during this summer. It is operated with a 757. Their 767 service from ORD serves DUB directly. This will ch
88 EISHN : I dare say they would have done a deal with AA to get all of the F seats. They wouldn't have just booked it through AA.com like the rest of us!
89 OA260 : Your right there. They would approach either a agent or AA groups directly and negotiate a deal. Every 12 paying passengers might get 1 free plus sea
90 Pilot21 : I broke up my own text too early, I was saying that with 2 flights a day to ORD via SNN, I would have thought EI would have been a better option - no
91 EIBoston : Got you! yeah but 22 F seats would not be enough for the full squad. Some would still sit down the back. That would leave them open to a "Keano" rant
92 OA260 : Haha well maybe certain members like managers and execs could take them. Ive seen it before on flights Ive been on. Younger players down the back and
93 Post contains links EIBoston : looks like they really did bring the Irish weather with them to Chicago! http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/24/severe.weather/index.html
94 EIBoston : On another note since I was off the forum for almost 2 months, anybody got update on any possible T/A flights out of Cork when OS starts??? Thanks.
95 Kaitak : Nothing firm as yet, but there is a Routes conference (in Stockholm, I think) later this year, so expect to see the Corkonians schmooze the delegates
96 Pilot21 : My mistake Kaitak - 871 is for the USAF and is a 203 model. The other 2 I saw are actually listed as Customer tba and have a 68W code beside them - w
97 EISHN : Would EI be interested in using an A320/319 across the Atlantic from Cork? The could seat 156 All economy, or 126 all Economy (remove a row at the fr
98 Pilot21 : The analysts are saying this delaying because of LHR issues is a smokescreen and they feel a tie up with another airline that has a US route structur
99 Kaitak : I think the cost of getting ETOPS clearance for 320s would probably rule it out; it will be mostly a tourist rather than business route as well; I ju
100 EIBoston : Yes saw that alright. Basically they are having a right go at BAA for the shambles at LHR which is driving connecting passengers to other European hu
101 Kaitak : Interesting theory, particularly in relation to the takeover; I've always felt that there was a lot to be achieved by VS and BD getting together - pa
102 EISHN : No, unfortunately. Why was it removed in the first place? I'll be the first to admit that EI have no real plans for SNN in the future. As much as I h
103 Post contains links OA260 : Has eveyone seen this cool TR??? Its in my top 5 !!! Amazing trip to experience. Iran Air B747SP Transatlantic DAM-CCS [+pics/vids] (by UK_Dispatcher
104 Eirbus06 : Cool TR but i thought you can't upload fuel while pax are on the plane?
105 OA260 : Ive been on loads of planes when they have uploaded fuel . The cabin crew just made announcements telling people not to fasten their seat belts. Pres
106 Post contains images OA260 : Ryanair to introduce check-in charge Friday, 24 August 2007 19:03 Ryanair has announced plans to introduce a charge for passengers who use its airport
107 Smokeyrosco : yep you can, different airlines have different rules but generally your asked to keep your seatbelt unfastened while fueling.
108 ThrottleHold : Depends on the airline and airport. Some airfields require the fire service (FCO does if I remember correctly) to be in attendance while the aircraft
109 COEI2007 : Happens allll the time! On tight turn-arounds, waiting a few minutes to finish re-fuelling is pointless. Boarding is done in small groups, people kee
110 Eirbus06 : Thanx,it's one thing i never really took notice of when boarding an aircraft!
111 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Here's my return report with lots of pictures from Shannon and the flight. EI SNN-LHR Pics/videos (by Shamrock350 Aug 24 2007 in Trip Reports) Hope yo
112 NEMA : Me too, gotta say not recently though. Wonder if it depends on your country of location v local laws etc.
113 Al2637 : Ryanair do it all the time. Cabin Crew make announcements telling PAX to keep their seat belts open.
114 OA260 : Actually I remember a few times with my flights on Swiss they kept making announcements telling everyone to take thier seats as soon as possible due
115 Caaardiff : Munster have been in a few times over the past year, but i believe that time it was AEU that took them home
116 Widebody : Sorry just reading over thread, what do you mean by 'when OS starts'? Tks.
117 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : We can only assume talks are still on going with American carriers however nothing has been announced and there haven't been many rumours. There was
118 Post contains links OA260 : Just found this cool desktop background !!!! http://www.qantas.com.au/img/page_gr...lery/1024x768/img_a380_harbour.jpg
119 N272WA : breakingnews.ie Govt 'to back Aer Lingus over Shannon decision' 26/08/2007 - 10:11:50 It is reported this morning that the Government is preparing to
120 Kaitak : Sorry, OS or O/S, is Open Skies. Flew LHR-SNN on 'DET yesterday; delayed an hour due to tech problems at SNN, but crew were excellent.
121 BestWestern : With Bmi delaying their long haul expansion, I wonder if there is room to open a shannon route - trying it for a year?
122 Aerarann : Just some RE news: DUB-ORK schedule being rearranged in the next few weeks, 6x times daily on select days. Newest 72, REM, due in 2-3 weeks, based at
123 Al2637 : From a topic about SAS: To me it shows clearly that EK are really not interested in code-sharing or interlining with other carriers to any great exten
124 OA260 : Well I was going to post that last week but thought Id done too much DXB EI bashing LOL... but the fact is that EK will not codeshare with EI due to
125 Pilot21 : That is interesting, although I would have thought given DM's past history with EK, he could get the ear of a few top people on a codeshare agreement
126 Post contains images OA260 : To be honest I dont know . I know that now they have CO/UA/KE/SA/JL and UL is part of the program with EK but I have never been using UL/EK that much
127 Al2637 : I don't think it is as much about the product, but the fact that EK just don't feel the need to co-operate with other airlines. I think EI would have
128 OA260 : If anyone gets SKY TV channel 547 has a good documentary about Airbus and Boeing on now .
129 Shamrock350 : I was on the exact same aircraft on Thursday. Shame about the delay but it's nice to hear the crew were good.
130 BestWestern : Rumours on PPRUNE that Bmi are to axe Heathrow to MAN, LBA and MME..... Shorthaul routes are being cut in favour of medium haul....
131 OA260 : Yes not a suprise . Has been on the cards for a while . There was an article about a statement from BMI saying that all short haul routes would be un
132 Post contains links BrianDromey : While this is sad, I dont think it will be entirely unexpected. The loads I have experienced on LBA-LHR have been very poor. It should be interesting
133 BestWestern : Wondering outloud will the arse fall out of the LBA market when BD pulls the route, just like the shannon lobby are stating...
134 COEI2007 : I'm surprised at MAN, as since they are planning more medium and long haul routes, I would have thought they could feed these flights from MAN? LBA d
135 BestWestern : Can we substitute LS for FR, and LBA for SNN?
136 Aerarann : Personally, I feel that BD will switch there U.K domestic LHR slots to a 3x daily LHR-SNN. ANyone agree, theres more money in a SNN-LHR surely.
137 BrianDromey : I would think that they might move some of their slots to SNN-LHR. MAN alone has 6 daily bmi flights. Which are, by all accounts poorly patronised, a
138 Humberside : Why are BRU and AMS likely to go? On BRU, BA are the only competition from LHR (excluding the weekly SN flight). I appreciate the train service will
139 Shamrock350 : Just found this video of a Ryanair landing. At the end there is a really cheesy recording about how Ryanair has great punctuality and low fares. I hav
140 OA260 : Haha nice video, lots of water on that runway. I have to go through the FR trauma next week and all the scratch card stuff again.
141 Shamrock350 : The current Aer Lingus winter sale is looking good. I saw a full page advert in the paper today with green Aer Lingus seats in holiday photos, one on
142 OA260 : Yes and some good fares to TFS/OTP/WAW etc.... Id love to go to OTP. Would be a cool trip. Something that I was told today by a neighbour has really
143 Tonymctigue : Hmm I wonder if SNN will get some of these LHR slots. Interesting developements all round.
144 Post contains links Tonymctigue : My god OA260, that is just appauling. They could have gotten upgrade to buisness class on DL or as you say they would have been entitled to compensat
145 OA260 : I know I couldn't believe it. I asked her to tell me everything that happened and pressed her on various points but she was so clear in what happened
146 Post contains links and images EI787 : God! That is totally unacceptable! Here's a bit of info from the Aviation Regulator about what you should get in such a situation: http://www.aviatio
147 Tonymctigue : He certainly did have quite a number of suspensions, some of them for personal insults so I reckon that we've seen the last of Poitin. I know not all
148 Post contains images OA260 : So my reading of it is that over 3500km and a delay upto 4 hours your entitled to Eur300 per person for a DUB to JFK flight. And of your delayed more
149 Post contains images EI787 : Ah yes...another classic OA260 upgrade!!! Mwah mwah mwah...I'm pure EVIL when I want to be!!
150 OA260 : Its just the luck of the Irish thats rubbed off on me LOL..... Oh and sorry for spelling your name wrong!! I realised it after I posted and then it w
151 EI787 : Aragh don't worry about it. With a name like Padraic, you should see all the variations of spellings I've come across over the years...from Porick to
152 Shamrock350 : Didn't he say once that by December 2006 Aer Lingus would be crippled on short-haul services thanks to heavy competition from RE on short routes and
153 BrianDromey : No, but I am looking very closely at a *A RTW trip next year. LHR-SIN on the SQ A380 is a definate! Im excited already. Although the LX 343 (SIN-BKK)
154 OA260 : Arr Brian a true Star Alliance man like myself LOL..... I am planning to take the A380 once I can go LHR-SIN-SYD on it all the way. So likely Februar
155 Tonymctigue : I would love to go to that but I'll be back in college by then so I'll be on the bread line & probably won't be able to afford to go.
156 Humberside : I doubt bmi are carying many local passengers on LHR-BRU as Eurostar is already competitive on LON-Brussels. I would imagine most passengers are conn
157 Post contains links AerArann : www.easier.com
158 Al2637 : Well, the BRU-AMS hi speed line opens next year, and there are plans to offer direct LON-AMS services. Times should drop to the region of 3:45 so wil
159 EDICHC : Just a little bit too far for me! But hoping to head over to SYD to see it's first (in service) arrival.
160 Post contains links EISHN : Interesting: Ireland West Airport Knock will today launch its first-ever TV advertising campaign in the UK in a bid to lure more tourists to the regio
161 Shamrock350 : That's good to hear! I see the adverts will be on Channel 4, it's probably the best UK channel in the afternoon, I will definitely be keeping an eye
162 Post contains links EI787 : I see the IAA is advertising for new Air Traffic Controllers. See http://www.iaa.ie/corp_fin/vac_info.asp?ID=55 for more. I would love this job...perh
163 Post contains images EISHN : Too much stress for me!!!!! Unless you work at SNN
164 Post contains images EI787 : Ooooh...low dig there Michael
165 OA260 : Haha lol.... I couldnt do it . Such a stressful and demanding job. With hundreds of lives in your control!!! You must have to be a certain kind of pe
166 EI787 : I had work experience with the IAA last year. Was in the Control Tower in DUB as well as their offices in the city. I loved what I saw - it may be de
167 OA260 : Just some news on Belavia !!! Flights will end in October from SNN
168 EISHN : My neighbour is an air traffic controller at SNN. He gets loads of time of work. I haven't seen him in weeks, he's been off on holidays at Inismór,
169 OA260 : US Airways are commmited to SNN!!! September loads are higher than usual due to DL reduction in ATL service. The 757 will remain as 11-12 seats is eno
170 BestWestern : So ends another chapter in the shannon, and Irish aviation history.
171 EIDAA : That is good news! Interesting to hear they would like to get the 767 back into Dublin. Is the 722/723 service now year round with the 757? Does anyo
172 Pilot21 : And so it rumbles on, what news from your side Bx737/Bramble/COEI2007??? The bit that is incredibly thought provoking, and highly intelligent is where
173 EISHN : Good for the spotter. Bad for the traveller!! That's great news. Well, we have the 133, the 111, the 125 (via DUB), then we have DL with a 75 to JFK,
174 Tonymctigue : Pity about that. So ends years of scheduled services at SNN using Russian built AC. The West of Ireland will miss you Belavia. Thant you for all the
175 OA260 : Sorry LOL....I meant 11-12 Envoy class seats !!! I think theres a balance !!! The Irish way of doing certain things is something I like about Ireland
176 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : Could it be possible that at one time EI would have 4 320s in LHR? I was just looking at LHR on Google maps and it appears that 3 are queuing for the
177 Tonymctigue : This proposed boycott is just so short sighted & out & out stupid. Please can someone go into the council chamber & describe to them how much damage
178 EIRules : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/discussions...oitin Oops, didnt think i had that much influence!!! Ah well I cant say Im too sorry. I like a
179 OA260 : Well you know how much I love EY but the A380 has to be the only choice !!!! Im going to do EY to AUH but the A380 is the most important thing to hap
180 Irish251 : Shannon Centre also handles all high-level traffic overflying Ireland and within the Shannon FIR/UIR, so that is busy every day. Nowadays only a rela
181 Post contains links EISHN : A few interesting things I've found. First is this: http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/ie/aerlingus/detail/1a/ei650401ad.jpg Quite funny what they say about
182 EISHN : I meant at the airport tower itself. I'm fully aware of the other air traffic controler stations here. I know someone who works there as well.
183 Post contains links OA260 : Just seen the new Ireland West Airport ad on UK TV. www.irelandwestairport.com Was quite good but quite fast !!
184 OA260 : Free money off vouchers if you enter your email and mobile number !!!! CONGRATULATIONS! You are now eligible to claim €50 per person off any Concord
185 Tonymctigue : NOC seems to be putting in quite the advertising campaign lately. I got flyers in the door here in Galway advertising the various destinations on offe
186 OA260 : Why did you want to do that ??? Tescos have new ones for 599 !!!LOL.... or was it a project you under took ???
187 Tonymctigue : Just a project. The total cost of the PC was 0.00 Euros. Last year I built a Windows XP PC from the ground up mainly using parts I got from ebay & sp
188 F1eddie : I read some info in the Sunday business post yesterday about the airport and PP. It says that An Bord Pleanala(ABP) reached a decision last Thursday b
189 BrianDromey : It should be pretty cool alrite. The best thing is that I ill b most pf the way to BD*Gold. If furure travel plans some true, I dould be gold within
190 EISHN : Michael for Ceann Comhairle!!!
191 Tonymctigue : I doubt this will be the last nail in the coffin for SNN. There will always be people who would prefer to fly from SNN regardless of what type of ter
192 OA260 : Thats a shame sorry to hear that. I'm sure there is a website where it tells you the dimensions of the toilets on various airlines/aircraft. If there
193 OA260 : Aer Lingus boycott call rejected - A controversial motion urging Limerick City Council to boycott Aer Lingus because of its decision to end its Shanno
194 Post contains images EIDAA : Now this is really annoying, OF COURSE Belfast is a foreign base... it is in a separate country!!! IPMACT seems to be clutching at straws here. Tell
195 Kaitak : Morning folks, Greetings from Dublin Airport; just got in from SNN this morning on the 124, waiting now for the 244 to JER. Bit of a mess, the flight
196 EISHN : Was she young, blonde, and had a stern face, whilst appearing to be tired? If that's the one, she has a bit of a reputation for being moody in the mo
197 Shamrock350 : I had the same experience, one blonde woman and an older brown haired woman, they were both moody. This also happened when I was at SNN on Thursday.
198 EISHN : Okay, this is really milking it...
199 Post contains links N272WA : The British Midland airline (BMI) has played down reports in today's Limerick Leader that it is close to a deal with Shannon Airport to launch a Heath
200 Provance :
201 Kaitak : Actually, this reported was mistranslated by media; didn't actually lose two tyres; acft had to be towed off runway, but it was a SNN-KRK flight. Tha
202 Post contains links EISHN : Air Berlin in Dublin? According to Air Berlin.com, they don't have scheduled services to Dublin.Was it a charter, or a maintenance flight? http://www
203 Shamrock330 : I've seen the Gulf Traveller in the maintenance area before but I didn't know Air Berlin operate from Dub, I wonder was it a charter or something?
204 Smokeyrosco : Probably means Germanwings
205 Post contains links OA260 : An interesting video report on ATC in Europe http://www.euronews.net/index.php?page=fly&article=428214&lng=1# ----------------------------------------
206 Kaitak : D'oh! Yes, I meant Germanwings! I was thinking of Berlin because the last one I saw had a special "Berlin" livery. I guess they're going to keep thei
207 OA260 : Terminal 5 in London Heathrow is due to open on March 27, 2008. We are delighted to advise that availability is now within system range. This new, gro
208 Tonymctigue : Definitely. Afterall, most airlines give the dimensions of their various seating arrangements so why not give dimensions for the toilets as well. Yea
209 COEI2007 : Easily. There's up to 13/14 flights per day from DUB, so its not unusual to have 2 DUB bound a/c, an ORK flight and even a SNN flight on the ground a
210 F1eddie : Not one that im aware of and i did look into this a lot at the time. Seatguru specifically state to cotact the airline directly.If you find out one p
211 EISHN : Unfortunately there are centre bins on DUO/DUZ, which is a pity, as you get a better feeling of spaciousness on the older ones. Does this mean that E
212 Post contains images OA260 : Yeah it really gives you alot of space its amazing how much. Its one thing I noticed alot. On my next flight im seated in 3D in the middle purely bec
213 Tonymctigue : We were discussing the size of the toilets in the context of people with disabilities because someone had mentioned that they has specifically chosen
214 Shamrock350 : I thought EI was going to Terminal 3, if they stay at T1 I assume they will end up in Heathrow East when that eventually opens. In the morning EI can
215 AerArann : The Full JUNE CAA stats are now in, some are repeated, but most are only published. DUB: ABZ - 73% BLK - 71% CWL- 78% DCA- 66% MME- 52% INV - 74% IOM-
216 Smokeyrosco : Cheers for that.
217 Post contains images EIDAA : Evening all! I have just booked an interesting trip for October and hopefully I will put together a TR after this one... otherwise I might be shot her
218 Post contains links OA260 : This makes interesting reading . Re: Access for people in wheel chairs on aircraft . I wonder why it mentions the A340/A330 at the end . http://www.dp
219 Rineanna : You might get a free cap, like the Athens flight. Better than a kick from a donkey, I suppose.
220 Post contains images EISHN : That's a bit of a stretch for a little ATR Boy does that sound like fun. B6 and VX, plus the inagural SFO-DUB flight. That'll have to be one hell of
221 F1eddie : That would have been myself. I was just saying that the size of the toilets would not be interesting for the general public once there are toilets on
222 Post contains images OA260 : Didny you say that those caps were offered by my fellow country men at ''Athens Airport Authority'' ??? EI didnt give them or did they ??? Maybe SFO
223 Tonymctigue : Apoligies F1eddie. Didn't realise it was you who brought this up. I just saw it mentioned in passing. You would think though if an airline were adver
224 EISHN : Wait, isn't N272WA taking the same inaugural flight!!!?? I believe he is!
225 F1eddie : Its grand. Yeah you would think so, and it certaintly would have made things easier if they put all these details on the web as opposed to have to ca
226 OA260 : I think his trip is in November. I remember this because we are going to be in LAX a few days apart and he is then going to SFO to fly home. The more
227 AerArann : Whoops, Its actually a 738!!! I meant to say FR to Doncaster Sheffield!
228 Bramble : Tell that to about 60% of our connecting pax who think 50 mins is sufficient in LHR. The downside of people booking seperate tickets on the cyberweb.
229 Tonymctigue : I know all about it. My grandfather is 79 & he travels back & forth between BOS & SNN on EI twice a year. He has had both hips replaced & walks with
230 OA260 : Yes it always happens on flights im on. Passengers start panicking about missing connections and id love to stand up and say to them next time tell t
231 Bramble : The initial Labour Court reccommendation addressed 'foreign bases' but the implication was that they would be in mainland Europe, i.e. Poland, Spain,
232 Rineanna : Might have missed this in an earlier thread, but SkyEurope are launching a thrice weekly, direct service to Kosice from DUB. Interesting route me thin
233 Tonymctigue : Morning all. Did anyone see the TV3 22:50 news last night? There was a report about the SNN-LHR situation & after BD yesterday talked down the report
234 Post contains images OA260 : Its about time someone talked some sense . The North is part of Ireland when it suits the South but when it comes to money suddenly its the UK ......
235 OA260 : By the way !!!! In this mornings Examiner !!!! ''Belfast flights fail to take off with a mere 34 sold'' SNN may be saved yet !!!!
236 JWMD123 : Well today is the day we expect to finally hear if T2 and the new runway has been approved for DUB. From the soundings and the fact it is taking a lon
237 N272WA : Hey EISHN, I wish! I'm flying EI from SFO-DUB on 10th December.
238 Al2637 : I bet they checked the online seat map! haha
239 Post contains images OA260 : Haha .... judging by that they have only sold 15 seats on the inaugural....I will have the plane to myself!!! Or maybe I will get a refund or re prot
240 Kaitak : It would certainly save the govt's blushes to a large extent, if BD were to fly to SNN. Remember, BD has put off its expansion plans re new t/a flight
241 EISHN : Ah, I see now. But it would have been pretty cool if the two of you had been on the same flight. Like a week after the flights went on sale,a local n
242 OA260 : What if the BFS base was an excuse to get EI out of SNN??? Maybe they thought if they chose BFS it would not have all the impact than if they had hav
243 Kaitak : I flew LHR-SNN last Saturday (ok, it was a bank holiday weekend), but it was very full; if EI can make money flying a 320 three times daily, BD should
244 Oa260 : No decision has been made yet as far as I know. Nothing is loaded yet. A friend of mine who organises groups for B2 said they are using connections V
245 EISHN : Actually it's four times daily for the Summer, three for the Winter. BD could may be do three for the Summer, and two for the Winter. The only thing
246 Post contains images EIDAA : Well not every Irish person feels that the North is currently part of Ireland. Call me cold hearted, but as far as I am aware, until a majority of el
247 Post contains images N272WA : Where I live in Donegal, my network will suddenly switch into Orange or O2 UK. Even when I have crossed the border outside Derry and am in Bridgend (
248 Shamrock104 : Its sad to see Belavia gone, granted, but I still don't see what the fuss is about. There are plenty of conections to MSQ via FRA, PRG, CDG, LGW etc..
249 OA260 : It doesnt really affect me as I am not Irish but Im just telling you what the locals think around the border counties, there seems to be even a split
250 OA260 : Apparantly Ms Aidi Roche is having a meeting with B2 as that is the route they bring in the children of Chernobyl. If they had to go Via other EU sta
251 EISHN : I knew I shouldn't have bought these new boots a month ago. I didn't believe the guy in the shop when he said these boots were made for walkin'.... T
252 OA260 : Yes I have to say the work that is done with those kids is invaluable and even if B2 offer maybe a few charters just to get the kids here it would be
253 Shamrock350 : When did Aer Lingus add BFS-NCE? I just noticed on the website that they have 9 new routes with Nice starting on April 1st when I'm sure it was origin
254 AerArann : Good Spot, Shamrock350, Must have just been added.
255 Post contains images EISHN : It must be a new route, as it waas originaly just 8: It operates twice weekly on Tuesday's and Saturday's. EI54 departs BFS @ 11:00 EI54 arrives @ NC
256 Shamrock350 : I thought it was strange there was no announcement but then again it is just one route that will be added to already well know batch of new routes. Ha
257 Post contains images OA260 : Yes its been added since . First flight April 5th. Its worrying though if only 34 seats have been sold since they launched!!! Youd think with those f
258 N272WA : Very good spot Shamrock 350 - there had been no talk of this from anyone at all, Wonder if they will add anymore gradually. EI54/55 used to be the ol
259 Post contains links Kaitak : Interesting and rather surprising result from the cabinet meeting into the SNN issue, with the govt "vowing" to find a carrier to operate this route i
260 EISHN : I'm actually suprised that they didn't launch any flights to France when they initially launched the base. I have a newspaper article that gives all t
261 Shamrock350 : All the fares are really good, it's really easy to get flights for less than a £100. I think Aer Lingus need to advertise the routes more and assure
262 Aerarann : RTE 6.1 NEWS
263 AerArann :
264 OA260 : Good news on the new Terminal even with the 31 conditions and slightly smaller . Hope MOL will not delay it any futher!!!!
265 Post contains links Shamrock350 : New pictures of T2 on the dublinairport.com http://www.dublinairportauthority.co...ment/Terminal_2/image_gallery.html Looks good!
266 OA260 : An Bord Pleanála has given the green light for a new runway and terminal at Dublin Airport. Phase one of the new terminal was passed, subject to 30 c
267 Smokeyrosco : Completely agree agree again, although O2 and I'm sure vodafone are offering free roaming to customers on certain plans, and 3 has dropped it's roami
268 Tonymctigue : I wouldn't read too much into that. Afterall, it is the worst part of the year for selling seats & the fact that the advertising campaign hasn't real
269 OA260 : The network drops off VF or O2 and doesnt connect back so your phone may as well be off. So its a pain. Either you let the phone search for automatic
270 JWMD123 : Guys Given the importance of the T2 and the Runway, I have started a seperate thread. (Sorry don't know how to post the link to the thread in this thr
271 Post contains images OA260 : Yes Shamrock350 deffo looks very nice. Cant wait to see it and fly through it. I just hope they have a decent range of branded high street food outle
272 Post contains links Kaitak : Thanks JWMD123; what you need to do is go into the thread, highlight the URL in the "Address box" in your toolbar, select copy, then paste onto your p
273 Post contains images OA260 : Kaitak im sure everyone is ready when you are ......wheres No. 38 ???
274 Post contains links Kaitak : And here it is! Alive And Kicking: Irish Aviation No.38/07 (by Kaitak Aug 30 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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