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United's New International Business Class  
User currently offlineAmax1977 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8781 times:

On UA's website I saw they are promoting their new international business class with 180 degree flat seat/beds... http://suitedreams.united.com
Have they already converted all their old business seats on 744s, 777s and 763s?

Cheers!

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User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8758 times:

RE: Here They Are... The New UA Biz Seats! (by Aerohottie Aug 12 2007 in Civil Aviation)

User currently offlineTozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8758 times:

I think you'll find a few other threads that detail this, but long story short, the prototype will be done in November with actual A/C installations starting early next year at the heavy maintenance checks. All international A/C should be done by sometime in 2009. This includes all the current 3 class 767's, all 747's, and all but 5 of the 777's. Hope that helps.


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User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8675 times:

First roll out will be a B767-300ER some time during 4th quarter of this year. All UA's new F and C product will be flat 180 degrees. In C class seating config will be somewhat similar to BA's C product with rear and forward facing seats.

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8516 times:

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 2):
5 of the 777's

Are these the 777s than do the Hawaii runs, or 5 of the international birds?


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8484 times:

In reference to the Cuisine, United Airlines is touting Charlie Trotter as a World Renowned Chef?

Comparing his cuisine and notoriety to someone like Gordon Ramsay, Todd English, or Daniel Boulud would be awfully hard to imagine. Wouldnt a more apropriate way of marketing be "Chicago's Own".

-JD


User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8481 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 4):
Are these the 777s than do the Hawaii runs, or 5 of the international birds?

Yes


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8468 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 4):
Are these the 777s than do the Hawaii runs, or 5 of the international birds?

The Hawaiian birds will not get the treatment, the others will..

-JD


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

Damn those seats look pretty damn awesome, I wish AC would have those seats instead of the new J class product.
Its nice to see UA back on track upgrading and improving their products, lets hope they install PTVs on all economy.


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Hope this means other US carriers going the same way in the future, so they can start competing with european and asian carriers for the int'l premium market.

For me, upgrading J-class with full-flat seats is a big step forward for an american carrier



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8313 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 9):
For me, upgrading J-class with full-flat seats is a big step forward for an american carrier

Its a big step forward for any carrier, not only the american ones.



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

BTW, will be fun for the ones able to get on a retrofitted 744 for a domestic hop they do once in a while between IAD, ORD and SFO for repositioning.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 9):
Hope this means other US carriers going the same way in the future, so they can start competing with european and asian carriers for the int'l premium market.

US carriers will have to change more than seats to win my business from LH, NH, and SQ.


User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8207 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 8):
Damn those seats look pretty damn awesome, I wish AC would have those seats instead of the new J class product.
Its nice to see UA back on track upgrading and improving their products, lets hope they install PTVs on all economy.

UA won back the title of the first US carrier to offer fully flat seats in premium class. For a while AA claim they were the first.... HAhaha I bet UA is laughting at AA and their J/C product now.....

UA B777's and B767's will have PTV in Y/C but not on B747's.

[Edited 2007-08-22 00:43:01]

User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7573 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8191 times:

Their biggest problem now is that they need PTV's all classes of the 744. Flights like ORD-HKG and LAX-SYD are way to long to be without them.


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User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8139 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Their biggest problem now is that they need PTV's all classes of the 744. Flights like ORD-HKG and LAX-SYD are way to long to be without them.

As stated before from excutives they won't be installing PTV in Y cabin of B747's due to the weight and cost to redo the floor cabin.


User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7919 times:

Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 15):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Their biggest problem now is that they need PTV's all classes of the 744. Flights like ORD-HKG and LAX-SYD are way to long to be without them.

As stated before from excutives they won't be installing PTV in Y cabin of B747's due to the weight and cost to redo the floor cabin.

Financially it guess it makes since not to put PTVs on the B744s. Having said that, UAs 744s are a pretty pathetic excuse for being their international flagship aircraft. I agree,I have no intentions of flying a UA 744 on a 12-14+ hour flight when their are much better options for the same cost (and I can still get my Star miles).



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 15):
As stated before from excutives they won't be installing PTV in Y cabin of B747's due to the weight and cost to redo the floor cabin.

Why couldn't they be more innovative and try something like the DigiPlayers that AS uses? They could load them based on loads, so they wouldn't need to load more than were required per flight. And the costs would be lower because they could just wheel them in on a cart rather than having to re-do all of the seats in coach. Sure there's probably a bit more maintenance of the actual players, but not the huge upfront costs.

Doesn't UA have some sort of a Digi-Player on their PS flights already also? They wouldn't even need to spend any $$ to develop or select a technology ... ...

I'm the kind of person who can live without a PTV, but it's pretty ridiculous in this day and age to not at least offer the option to pax on nearly ULH flights like LAX-SYD, SFO-SYD, IAD-PEK, or ORD-HKG. These aren't low yield routes.


User currently offlineORDPIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7846 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 5):
In reference to the Cuisine, United Airlines is touting Charlie Trotter as a World Renowned Chef?

Comparing his cuisine and notoriety to someone like Gordon Ramsay, Todd English, or Daniel Boulud would be awfully hard to imagine. Wouldnt a more apropriate way of marketing be "Chicago's Own".

-JD

Im afraid I have to question why you do not find Charlie Trotter to be a world renowned chef? He has been a pioneer of French, New French Cuisine for 20 years, much longer than Ramsay, Boulud, and English. His Kitchen has produced some of the best chefs in the world including Homaru Cantu. He has been given numerous awards including no less than three James Beard Awards, as well as numerous accolades from food publications. I will give credit to Ramsay and Boulud for being on the same level however I would find it hard to compare English to the three. I would suggest eating at his restaurant to see for yourself.



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User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 17):
Why couldn't they be more innovative and try something like the DigiPlayers that AS uses? They could load them based on loads, so they wouldn't need to load more than were required per flight.

PS flights have those digiplayers but often they break and need a power outlet to view movie. For ULH flights one would need extra batteries or requires power outlet which UA Y/C doesn't have. Those Digiplayers also take up lots of space and carts. Something that is not worth doing.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 17):
I'm the kind of person who can live without a PTV, but it's pretty ridiculous in this day and age to not at least offer the option to pax on nearly ULH flights like LAX-SYD, SFO-SYD, IAD-PEK, or ORD-HKG. These aren't low yield routes.

I totally agree with you on this. You do have other option that is to fly another airlines.


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7573 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7799 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 17):
I'm the kind of person who can live without a PTV, but it's pretty ridiculous in this day and age to not at least offer the option to pax on nearly ULH flights like LAX-SYD, SFO-SYD, IAD-PEK, or ORD-HKG. These aren't low yield routes.

Well said. The routes listed are at the top of the list of profitablility for UA (not sure about IAD-PEK but the rest are). Im not sure about weight issues, but it is pretty pathetic that they dont have PTV's on their 747's on flights that long.



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User currently offlineTWAtwaTWA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Quoting ORDPIA (Reply 18):
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 5):
In reference to the Cuisine, United Airlines is touting Charlie Trotter as a World Renowned Chef?

Comparing his cuisine and notoriety to someone like Gordon Ramsay, Todd English, or Daniel Boulud would be awfully hard to imagine. Wouldnt a more apropriate way of marketing be "Chicago's Own".

-JD

Im afraid I have to question why you do not find Charlie Trotter to be a world renowned chef? He has been a pioneer of French, New French Cuisine for 20 years, much longer than Ramsay, Boulud, and English. His Kitchen has produced some of the best chefs in the world including Homaru Cantu. He has been given numerous awards including no less than three James Beard Awards, as well as numerous accolades from food publications. I will give credit to Ramsay and Boulud for being on the same level however I would find it hard to compare English to the three. I would suggest eating at his restaurant to see for yourself.

I agree completely. I have lived in London, Chicago and now Los Angeles, and have eaten at all the top restaurants. Dinner at Charlie Trotter's was a culinary experience that is at the very top of my list. Having Trotter in charge of the menu speaks volumes about the product that UA is offering. I'm impressed.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7556 times:

Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 13):
For a while AA claim they were the first.... HAhaha I bet UA is laughting at AA and their J/C product now

And I'll bet AA AAdvantage frequent flyers are laughing at their United comrades, who are now going to find it even more difficult to upgrade because of the smaller J cabin.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 17):
I'm the kind of person who can live without a PTV, but it's pretty ridiculous in this day and age to not at least offer the option to pax on nearly ULH flights like LAX-SYD, SFO-SYD, IAD-PEK, or ORD-HKG. These aren't low yield routes.

You have a point, but when UA conssistantly fills the back of its 747's to the hilt on these routes, why re-invent the wheel. I agree that there should be consistancy on the International Fleet, with PTV's through out but UA does not think that the financial outlay is warranted on its 747 and to a degree you can see there arguement. I just wondered when they do reconfif the 747's if they are going to at least put overhead monitors throughout the Y cabin?

Quoting Commavia (Reply 22):
And I'll bet AA AAdvantage frequent flyers are laughing at their United comrades, who are now going to find it even more difficult to upgrade because of the smaller J cabin.

And I bet that the UA will be laughing all the way to the bank with the new product, more premium travellers it will carry at higher prices as opposed to giving away the seats on upgrades! Kudos to UA, they look forward to having full fare AA converts onboard soon for a better seat experience!!
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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6860 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 22):
And I'll bet AA AAdvantage frequent flyers are laughing at their United comrades, who are now going to find it even more difficult to upgrade because of the smaller J cabin.

The airlines don't make money on the upgraders; they make money on the passengers who pay for F/C seats. There is nothing surprising about the fact that the most profitable airline in the world, SQ, will often bump Y passengers to the next day's flight and depart with empty seats in C rather than upgrade operationally (SQ will sometimes op-up very high revenue passengers).


25 Post contains images Nimish : Off-topic - but I got an op-up on SQ J on the 77W recently - and I'm not a high paying passenger, just a lowly *A gold with AC flying a B class econo
26 Zvezda : Lucky you! I'm a Solitaire member and I only ever once received an op-up on SQ. I'm fine with that though -- I get what I pay for.
27 Flybyguy : Concerning lie-flat beds, I think United's are parallel to the floor. This to me is a little quirky, because it is my experience that aircraft don't c
28 Norcal773 : I hear you on that one. They'll have to make a lot of changes before I switch over.
29 Azncsa4qf744er : UA J product are similar to that of BA's J products and similar to First class seating on all carriers that offer F cabin. Smaller cabin yes and less
30 Post contains images Zvezda : I use a pillow to overcome that problem. I must say, I've come to prefer the new SQ horizontal business class seats (which I've now flown 14 times) t
31 Post contains images Norcal773 : But you barely get any attention on UA to begin with so maybe they need an 'need attention now' button instead. Like I've mentioned before, I think t
32 Commavia : Yeah, they said the same thing when p.s. was rolled out on JFK-LAX/SFO, and it just didn't happen. Regardless of how light-years ahead UA's premium p
33 UAL777UK : I would love to beleive you, but I have heard it all now. AA adds shed loads of additional seats just for upgraders and if there are none I guess the
34 JoFMO : Where do you want to start? Heard that many US carriers don't serve liquor for free in Y anymore. That is enough for me to never give them a try. But
35 787KQ : What? With Singapore known for its excellent customer service, I am surprised that that is the case. That's a terrible way to treat your customers, h
36 MattCan : Funny the description of the configutation touts 'innovative forward and rear-facing seats' but the animation shows a pair of apparently free standing
37 Tozairport : They cruise at about 2-3 degrees nose up in flight, not that much. On UA's current genesis seats, you can easily make up for that by leaving the uppe
38 Andrew : SQ does that when their flights are pretty badly overbooked, and voluntary offloads will be given a $500 voucher, and hotel accommodation if the embar
39 Norcal773 : My qstn still remains, how does the guy in the window seat get up if the aisle passenger is asleep? Jump over them??
40 Post contains images Zvezda : Using corporate travel managers as an example of people who upgrade and are profitable to the airline doesn't help your case. There are not enough of
41 Tozairport : The foot part of the seat has a curve to it, making it a bit narrower than the rest of the seat. By putting down your foot rest it should be very eas
42 Post contains images Nimish : Wow - learn something new every day
43 LAXdude1023 : But how is that different from any other airline? Every airline has a few multi million mile flyers, and most have special desks for them. And every
44 Commavia : I never said "those who fly the most miles." I said the "most important frequent flyers" -- i.e., as you rightly say, the ones who bring in the real
45 Zvezda : People who fly on $750,000 per year worth of tickets have zero interest in upgrades. They buy only full F tickets. In fact, on that budget, one can d
46 Post contains links 787KQ : The same way you get over them in other business class seats, including the cradle seats (which if you are not in the front or exit row are harder to
47 LAXdude1023 : I hope AA is getting better at rewarding their FF's. When I lived in Fort Worth, I flew AA every where. Then I moved back to Los Angeles and I switch
48 Post contains images Amax1977 :
49 OzGlobal : Yes, but a step (lie flat or fully flat seats) that was taken some years ago by any premium carrier (9 years ago by BA). Hence, it is an especially b
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