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What Does A Combined NW/DL Look Like?  
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10903 times:

Yes, this has been discussed before.... but with Anderson being named DL CEO, the possibility becomes more credible IMO. Usually, speculation on the hypothetical doesn't interest me... this one is intriguing though.

IMO, under a fully merged DL/NW scenario, MEM and CVG dehubbed, MSP, DTW, NRT, ATL, JFK, LGA Shuttle, SLC, LAX stay, although MSP and especially DTW are affected... how, not sure.

Obviously, DL name stays.

RE: fleet.... who knows. 757s stay? MDs go? 319/320s or 737s? 787s replace 767s? 777s replace 747s?

OR....do NW and DL operate more closely yet still separately, including separate brands, under one holding company... a la AF-KL?


Thoughts?


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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10814 times:

DL's strength to Europe and Latin America merged with NW's dominance in the far east make this seem like a good idea on paper. However, labor and disimilar fleets could the make the integration very difficult. Stay tuned, I guess.


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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10798 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Thread starter):
Obviously, DL name stays.



Quoting TWFirst (Thread starter):
OR....do NW and DL operate more closely yet still separately, including separate brands, under one holding company... a la AF-KL?

I’m not too sure that a combined DL/NW would be so hasty to get rid of the Northwest Airlines brand.

Northwest Airlines carries significantly more Japanese passengers than US passengers on its Asian route network, with Tokyo used as the focal point. On some NW Asian routes, as much as 90% of the traffic is Japanese.

The Northwest Airlines brand is very well known in Japan, on the same level as ANA and JAL in fact. I lived in Japan and brand loyalty is much more of a factor there than it is in the USA.

The Delta name is not well known at all in Japan, and many of those that do recognise the name only associate it with the large amount of bad press that Delta received in Japan during the Portland hub days. (Many Japanese visitors were deported unfairly leading most travel agents to strongly advise against travel on Delta).

Of course I’m not suggesting the whole company would be branded Northwest, since in the rest of the world, Delta has a much stronger brand identity. However, the NW name may be kept across the pacific, at least for routes to Japan and the Philippines.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10734 times:

I just asked this in the other thread. I was wondering whether it would be more of an AF/KL thing, or would the two airlines actually be merged together? Hopefully the DL name doesn't die, as DL is my favorite and the airline I hope to fly for one day. Also, would a merger with NW affect DL insofar as NW getting a lot of bad press this summer? I REALLY hope the DL name sticks around, nothing against NW, but DL is my airline and I'd hate to see it go.

User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10622 times:

Considering the fact that some NWA folks are still arguing over the Republic/NWA merger....I can just imagine what they would do if the south rose again!  Smile

User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 2):
The Delta name is not well known at all in Japan, and many of those that do recognise the name only associate it with the large amount of bad press that Delta received in Japan during the Portland hub days. (Many Japanese visitors were deported unfairly leading most travel agents to strongly advise against travel on Delta).

In the interest of enlightenment not argument, how was that Delta's fault?

DL757Md



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10589 times:

I could see them maybe doing a KLM/Air France thing where they keep the brands separate but run under the same company. They could consolidate check in ticket counters at airports as well as ramp work. Could be interestng....

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10532 times:



Why do we keep having threads like this over and over? We are beating a dead horse with a stick on this same issue.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9297 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10487 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 2):
Northwest Airlines carries significantly more Japanese passengers than US passengers on its Asian route network, with Tokyo used as the focal point. On some NW Asian routes, as much as 90% of the traffic is Japanese

right and NW has a huge name in Europe wait no they don't and NW in Latin American wait no and DL in Asia was a name till PDX closed.

Fleet wise i bet if the DL name stays which it will and the HQ in ATL which it will the scarebuses are out new boeing jets are in(along with the fact Boeing is on DLs bored and the hole we own you from saving our asses from US)

Hubs wise ATL,MSP,DTW,JFK,SLC and NRT stay (and maybe LAX)
FCs CVG(maybe) MEM(maybe) BOS,SEA,LGA,DCA,MCO



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10469 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):

If you hate these threads so much then why do you read them?

Personally I see united and delta as a better merger, united is already interested in a merger and delta might not like NWs almost exclusive airbus fleet, if UA and DL then delta still gets the Asian routes, then I could see CO and NW merge (I'm sure the golden share would make things easier) I personally don't like NW and don't want to see them merge. I believe the best would be UA and DL, NW and US, and CO and AA( but that may be too strong of a Europe presence) I guess we willjust have to see who merges first


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9297 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10270 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 9):
Personally I see united and delta as a better merger, united is already interested in a merger and delta might not like NWs almost exclusive airbus fleet, if UA and DL then delta still gets the Asian routes, then I could see CO and NW merge (I'm sure the golden share would make things easier) I personally don't like NW and don't want to see them merge. I believe the best would be UA and DL, NW and US, and CO and AA( but that may be too strong of a Europe presence) I guess we willjust have to see who merges first

then you would have to change your name to UA767Captain........DL is lookin to buy not be bought or merge this is where a struggling NW comes in.........just cause they have different fleets means nothing....DL could get Boeing to help out with the money part of the merger(US and HP with scarebus) and DL would pay them back by replacing the A32X and A330s with 737s,777s,and 787s



yep.
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

DL and NW are no more likely to merge now than they were 15 years ago. Anderson is NOT being brought in to orchestrate a merger. He was brought in because he has industry experience - and because he understands the DL culture and appears able and willing to work within it.

The shareholders/former creditors of both DL and NW - and every other airline that went through BK - want first and foremost to get their money out of the industry before any risky merging goes on. Consolidation may help the industry but there is absolutely no reason why current industry stockholders would support consolidation when the airlines are making money right now.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

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Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
right and NW has a huge name in Europe wait no they don't

With KLM they do.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
Fleet wise i bet if the DL name stays which it will and the HQ in ATL which it will the scarebuses are out new boeing jets are in(along with the fact Boeing is on DLs bored and the hole we own you from saving our asses from US)


Although, the NW Airbus 320/319 fleet outnumbers delta's 737s fleet by almost double, 81 for DL(includes new 73Gs to be delivered), and 141 for NWA(a few left to be delivered). The A330s would probably be dumped for 787s. UA uses Boeing widebodies and (mostly) Airbus narrowbodies and seemingly has no trouble.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10226 times:

Are you serious? Two words describe a DL/NW merger; Shit storm. Very diverse fleets, management, etc. Only one thing makes sense: They both belong to Sky Team .

Hunter



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 9):
If you hate these threads so much then why do you read them?

Because we get 2-3 merger threads a week and its nothing but endless speculation of 'what if's' no more, no less than that. Its getting kinda old. I really miss the A vs. B wars!



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9297 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 12):
With KLM they do.

no KLM has the name NW just flys from a few places in the US to AMS then you fly KL

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 12):
Although, the NW Airbus 320/319 fleet outnumbers delta's 737s fleet by almost double, 81 for DL(includes new 73Gs to be delivered), and 141 for NWA(a few left to be delivered). The A330s would probably be dumped for 787s. UA uses Boeing widebodies and (mostly) Airbus narrowbodies and seemingly has no trouble.

but note that NW has started to sell there A319s(and or returning to the leaser) and scraping there A320s and DLs 737s are owned by DL and are only 4 years old(well the oldest). As for the A330s i think you are right that they will stay a while and be replaced with 787s and maybe some 2nd hand 772ERs.(are NW A330s owned or leased?)



yep.
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10159 times:

I can tell you exactly what it would look like.

A complete clusterf*ck


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7542 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10153 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
DL and NW are no more likely to merge now than they were 15 years ago. Anderson is NOT being brought in to orchestrate a merger. He was brought in because he has industry experience - and because he understands the DL culture and appears able and willing to work within it.

WorldTraveler, I agree with you 100% I know many times I don't, but I actually do. You other Delta gang buddy SLCutt....has always been overzealous about predicting an DL take-over of NW. There is simply no reason for such and today's announcment means absolutely nothing new in that front.

They needed someone with C-suite airline experience - there are very few tested individuals out there today.

RIght now NW-DL-KL-AF are looking to expand their codesharing by getting anti-trust immunity. That is where the future of this relationship will go. A complete integration would be a complete nightmare that has little benefit in the end for anyone.

Sometimes the "friends with benefits" arrangement is much better than a "committed relationship".


User currently offlineMastaHanky From United States of America, joined May 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10115 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 5):
In the interest of enlightenment not argument, how was that Delta's fault?

It wasn't Delta's fault at all. Just bad circumstances. The city they chose to hub their Asian operations has over-zealous immigration officials. Once word got back to Japan about this, tourists chose to go through other non-Delta gateways. Bad luck on Delta's part.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 17):
RIght now NW-DL-KL-AF are looking to expand their codesharing by getting anti-trust immunity. That is where the future of this relationship will go. A complete integration would be a complete nightmare that has little benefit in the end for anyone.

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I could *POSSIBLY* see a buyout like the AF-KL one, where some of the corporate-level stuff is merged, but for the most part the airline is run as two separate entities. I definitely wouldn't bet the farm on it though.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 17):
Sometimes the "friends with benefits" arrangement is much better than a "committed relationship".

Sometimes? Big grin


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10079 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 17):
RIght now NW-DL-KL-AF are looking to expand their codesharing by getting anti-trust immunity. That is where the future of this relationship will go. A complete integration would be a complete nightmare that has little benefit in the end for anyone.

Theres our winner....

I think an antitrust agreement with separate operating certs is cheaper to do. If a merger is going to happen, the name with the most to offer in revenue will survive. My gut says thats the NW pacific network, but i have nothing to verify that on.....


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9986 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Thread starter):
Obviously, DL name stays.

If the DL name stays then the Asia routes go, IIRC if the Northwest name ever dies, those slots in Asia are up for grabs, not just transferred.



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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 17):
RIght now NW-DL-KL-AF are looking to expand their codesharing by getting anti-trust immunity. That is where the future of this relationship will go. A complete integration would be a complete nightmare that has little benefit in the end for anyone.

Sometimes the "friends with benefits" arrangement is much better than a "committed relationship".

I agree. Now is not the time for a merger. If its to happen it will occur when a worse economic climate comes around. Then the benefits rationalization and consolidation that a merger brings about can be happen. Right now load factors and profits are good enough that a merger would only bring disadvantages. Wait two years and then we can discuss this again.

If a NW/DL merger were to occur I'd like to see them start afresh with a new identiy or possibly buy the PanAm brand from the dweebs who own it now. That way the stakeholders feel like they have a common identity and future rather than the bickering and animosity that comes from one corporation and its culture taking over another.


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9141 times:
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Oh lawdy, DC-9s with a widget again. Well I suppose thats better than being stuffed into one of the damn CRJ-200s for hours on end.

I still "dream" of a trilogy of CO/DL/NW and what a powerhouse THAT would be. Too bad the labor issues would be such a nightmare to work out, and the fleet! Imagine how long it would take to integrate everything! OY!

Oh well---fun speculation----however, as previously mentioned Anderson is not being brought on-board to work out a merger.
Grinstein needs to chill!



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9023 times:

I think a CO/DL is better than a NW/DL ImperialEagle. Makes sense in a lot of ways. Fleet comonality except for the 80's, Hubs in LAX, NYC, ATL and IAH. This would work out better than a NW/DL crap storm merger.

Hunter



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8996 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 15):
no KLM has the name NW just flys from a few places in the US to AMS then you fly KL

The majority of the passengers on NWA trans-atlantic originate in Europe. NWA must have a good recognition there, to enable them to pick NWA.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 20):
If the DL name stays then the Asia routes go, IIRC if the Northwest name ever dies, those slots in Asia are up for grabs, not just transferred.

Burnsie, that is not correct. The corporation owns the Japan rights and can do as it chooses with them. If you have proof the other way around I'd be pleased to see it.


25 Isitsafenow : All bets are off on that comment. The NW name has to stay to retain Asian routes. AND..thats your opinion. I'm prurrty darn sure there are others. sa
26 TWFirst : Oh really? Just like the PanAm name stayed when United took over their Asian routes?? I never claimed that comment was anything other than my opinion
27 Positiverate : You might be the only one. The DOJ would never let it get through.
28 Paladin87 : I think most of you have forgotten about NWA unions. they would a major obstacle to any merger especially if DL would be the remaining entity . Also y
29 Post contains images Isitsafenow : That was then, this is now. The rules were slightly altered with the new"free skies to Japan" a few years ago. safe
30 Bobnwa : Do you have the new rules that say that the name Northwest has to stay with the Japan rights? As I have stated before the rights are Northwest's do d
31 AirTran717 : Oy Veh! Just because a CEO from another airline comes in doesn't automatically mean a merger is in the works folks. If that's the case, Alan Mullaly
32 AirTran717 : Could you imagine the union lawsuits on seniority list integration? It's mind boggling. And, really... both companies just emerged from bankruptcy. W
33 AA757200 : The fleet issues are not as substantial as most people in this post are making them out to be. Think of an AA like operation, where only certain aircr
34 Paladin87 : Not all lessors agreed to lower their rates while NWA was in BK, those are probably the ones that went, also I only know of one 320 that has been scr
35 Post contains links DLPMMM : Here is the 1952 agreement as modified by the 1998 MOU between the USA and Japan. The incumbant rights are transferrable by the USA government. http:
36 Bobnwa : " target=_blank>http://www.state.gov/e/eeb/rls/othr/...1.htm Thank for providing that.
37 Flysherwood : Why? Northwest Airlines is a name that is very well known accross the Pacific and in Europe.
38 Positiverate : In Asia yes...not sure I would agree with Europe. But more importantly, who has the better brand reputation in the US, Dl or NW? Have to go with DL o
39 Post contains images Flysherwood : What are you talking about? The last time I checked, NWA flies to LGA, FRA, CDG, AMS etc... Besides flights from the USA to AMS there is also India t
40 Paladin87 : Flysherwood is most likely right. Before deregulation international flights were given to the 3 main international carriers PanAm,TWA and NWA. NWA ha
41 Flysherwood : The reason that Delta's flights to Japan and Korea did not succeed through PDX has a little bit of something to do with overzealous immigration offic
42 TWFirst : You are comparing apples with oranges. Boeing and Ford never had and probably never will have any interest in merging. However, it has been establish
43 AirframeAS : That doesn't make sense, TWFirst. HP was never in bankrupcty when it acquired US. HP acquired US to save US.
44 TWFirst : ALSO.... re: NW vs. DL brands. Come on folks.... it doesn't take a branding guru (and I'm not a guru but I am in travel marketing) to realize which br
45 Jetdeltamsy : Deportation was not a Delta issue. It was an Immigration issue. I too lived in Japan for a year while working for Delta. We had a very good reputatio
46 AirTran717 : Do you not recognize sarcasm when you see it? My example was merely to show that you can't take everything at face value... and sometimes you should.
47 TWFirst : AirTran717 asserted that NW and DL recently went through bankruptcies, and thus merging the two is not a good idea...presumably, he assumes a merger
48 Bobnwa : This is a short list it took a minute to compile Current AirTran CEO is ex NWA VP Current AirTran Pres is ex NWA VP Current US CEO is ex NWA VP Curre
49 TWFirst : HA! You give me too much credit. The "conspiracies"(?) and rumors are already there....I didn't "stir them up" by starting this thread... and they're
50 Post contains links and images Positiverate : NWA shared Asia with Pan Am, and TWA shared Europe with Pan Am. Eastern and Braniff shared Latin America with Pan Am. Northwest started flying to Eur
51 AirTran717 : Precisely the point, though I was a little more animated and sarcastic. A lot of FL's corporate staff is ex NW. Does that make FL another NW? No. It
52 AirTran717 : To absolute nauseum.
53 TWFirst : See my response to AirTran717 above. AND... with each of these examples you cite, I guarantee these people have had some effect on relations/strategy
54 TWFirst : And you care why?
55 AirTran717 : If every inuendo and rumor was true in this industry, anarchy would prevail because the hierarchy of the world as we know it would crumble. It takes
56 Positiverate : Let me add my two cents on a potential merger. I think that the more likely scenario is a sale of the Asian operation, much like PAA dismantled themse
57 AirTran717 : You made my point for me.
58 AirTran717 : Another thought is, after seeing Bobnwa's list, why are all the NW execs jumping ship? Eh? It's worth the thought.
59 LawnDart : Small point, but In 1984, Delta served London and Frankfurt from Atlanta. Pretty sure Paris was added in 1985, and the others came even later.
60 TWFirst : In what alternate universe? My statement directly counters your point.
61 PSU.DTW.SCE : A lot of the guys that Bobnwa listed were already on their 2nd or 3rd airline by the time they got to NW. The big thing with this industry is that be
62 TWFirst : And that would be you, I presume? And it's that industry "expertise" that prompts you to spend time posting in discussion threads that you believe sh
63 Chgoflyer : Sounds like a good idea but there is no way the Teamsters of NW and DL will ever work together.
64 Bobnwa : Northwest started serving Europe in March of 1979 with service to PIK,CPH,OSL and ARN. I am certain of this as I was on the first flight. Gatways wer
65 Panamair : Why would NWA ever dismantle the transpacific operation? NW is doing very well financially now (as well as during Ch.11) and there are no signs (imme
66 Bobnwa : Yea, NWA will sell off it Asian operation right after AA sells off it Latin America operation and Delta sells its ATL hub. Where did you ever dream t
67 Positiverate : Thanks for the clarifications, but my underlyign point remains: Delta is far better known in Europe by sheer virtue of the size of its operation then
68 DFWEagle : Absolutely, it was not Delta’s fault at all. However, unfortunately Delta’s name was right there in the Japanese national press amid the angry ac
69 Post contains images Flysherwood : What part of "...this is not the real reason that Delta failed with the Portland hub to Japan and Korea..." do you guys not understand? Delta COULD N
70 DFWEagle : Huh? I never said that was why their Portland hub failed. I simply noted that the Portland incidents may have had a negative effect on the Delta bran
71 WorldTraveler : you do realize that NW employees have already said publicly in newspapers that they think DL got the better end of the deal with Anderson and they wo
72 DesertAir : Once again, I will write that I am agains mergers, especially when they create mega-carriers. I continue to lament the demise of colorful regional car
73 DeltaL1011man : WT you hit the nail on the head.....but with to merger happy CEOs(US and UA) i think that if and when US and UA try to got together and only if it wo
74 Bobnwa : I believe you are wrong, NWA stopped DTW-BRU because of the need to trim pilot hours. Where are getting your info from?
75 NW748i : What Does A Combined NW/DL Look Like? I'll spare you yet another negative post and just say the AA/NW looks far better... If you recall correctly, if
76 DLPMMM : Just as a side note, this morning on CNBC they were talking about the possibility of a DL/NW merger due to Anderson being named as the new CEO.
77 Panamair : Why is AA more likely to keep the NW name alive in Asia? Do you see TWA, Reno Air or AirCal around anymore?
78 Post contains images Flysherwood : I have to agree with you there. I was on the inaugural flight of PSA from SAN - PDX back in '84. What a fun airline PSA was. I also always enjoyed fl
79 TWFirst : Was also discussed in NY Times article yesterday.
80 Panamair : This is de rigeur for reporters and financial analysts - they salivate at any hint of potential M&A activity and try to scrape up any evidence possib
81 Post contains images MasseyBrown : From a financial viewpoint, a combined DL/NW would have a really nasty balance sheet. Combined good will = $18.56 billion; combined stockholders' equi
82 TWFirst : Why would a NY Times reporter have a wild fantasy about M&A activity? Anderson's move IS bonafied news. Again, NW & DL HAVE had fairly recent merger
83 MastaHanky : Because it will sell papers.
84 Panamair : Are you kidding? If you're a reporter writing for the Business section of a newspaper, short of an Enron-type scandal or Martha-Stewart-in-jail -type
85 NW748i : Hoping to cash in on a.netters!
86 PSU.DTW.SCE : Not only that M&A deals mean big money for those who orchestrate the deal. Whenever a rumor of of an M&A deal comes to head anyone and everyone from
87 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : But not simultaneously. Eastern acquired Braniff's South American routes in 1982 not long before Braniff shut down, and American bought the routes fr
88 WorldTraveler : they could have stopped any number of routes or trimmed 757 domestic flying more if they wanted to keep DTW-BRU. They cxld the flight which says it w
89 Gigneil : That's the fastest way to put them out of business. NS
90 Positiverate : Keeping the HQ in ATL and an all Boeing fleet? How?
91 Alitalia744 : No. He meant replacing the Airbii immediately. If a merger were to happen, the HQ would be ATL and the Airbii would continue plying the airways till
92 DeltaL1011man : which is what i said(do it like US and HP have done) they still have Boeings but are being replaced by scarebus
93 Gigneil : US Airways has a fleet of older Boeings, which are being retired in many fleets, not just there. The oldest Airbus jets might be reasonably replaced..
94 TWFirst : Oh please. When it comes to publicly traded companies, there's legal liability involved if a reporter made up a "wild fantasy" about a merger and "sc
95 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Which is exactly why HP+US stock ballooned to nearly $60.00 a share late last year and early this year. Now it has effectively tanked to about half o
96 MastaHanky : The scenarios you describe happen all the time. Papers can cover their butts quite easily with a few key words ... "unconfirmed", "speculative", etc.
97 Jacobin777 : ...actually, NW does very well from all West Coast-NRT routes..even in cities such as SFO, where it is quite weak against the UAs of the world....
98 MasseyBrown : DL has generally been very successful at operating a diverse fleet, and I expect they could do it in this case, too. If the numbers of the various in
99 TWFirst : For real real gurl..... These aerogeeks who rail on "conspiracy theories" are the first ones to make up conspiracy theories about the "liberal/ignora
100 AirTran717 : Well, sure there's a possibility that NW and DL may merge. Everything is a possibility folks. But why auotmatically assume that a merger will be comin
101 Post contains images Isitsafenow : Not really because there sure was/is an attempt to do so.........isn't there?
102 AirTran717 : Not since the last time I checked. NW has a stake in YX, not FL. I don't see the correlation.
103 Bobnwa : So now you have access not only to the corporate decisions of DL but NWA as well. It must be difficult to sort out all that insider knowledge. Was yo
104 AirTran717 : Safe, I generally really enjoy your posts and respect your thoughts. But this time... Show me one news article or press release showing NW announced
105 WorldTraveler : please. Your attempts to try and defend a route which NW abandoned when it could have reduced 16 hrs of 757 flying per day anywhere else in the sched
106 Bobnwa : OK I will move on, but how about your answer to my second question about NWA being ashamed of its earnings and the comparison to DL earnings? Please
107 WorldTraveler : Bob, if you are comfortable with your company reporting a 17% profit margin for the month of June (I believe that was the number but it is in the high
108 Bobnwa : Can't you just answer the question about NWA being ashamed about reporting its earnings and how it did compared to DL. I would also say in comparing
109 WorldTraveler : nobody is promoting DL as the 2nd coming and I certainly respect NW but the fact is that NW people now and in the past have made less than DL people,
110 BAW716 : What does it look like? A big mess. They are better off as alliance partners than as one carrier. Fleet commonality is one significant issue and with
111 Bobnwa : Are you incapable of answering my question of why you said NWA was ashamed to report its earnings. That seemed to be a very juvenile thing to do, tha
112 Jetaaron : Does anyone have a link to see what a combined route map for DL/NW would look like?
113 DeltaL1011man : nope i think the DC-9s would be the first to go and the 88s are only 13 years old why spend money onreplacing them? how many where exCEOs going to FL
114 Post contains images SkyyMaster : I don't know which is worse. The fact that these ridiculous merger rumors start up with every full moon or the fact I read the stuff. Either way, let'
115 Post contains images Isitsafenow : Naaaah, you're safe from choppin on the syllables. I should have clarrified that Fl was seriously courting Midwest. You are all correct in your thoug
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