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What's Between Swiss Intl And Novartis?  
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1798 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Yesterday I saw a Swiss Intl A330 with the Novarits title logo painted on its nose. I saw the same one a week ago as well (not sure if they are the same aircraft).

So what does Swiss Intl have to do with a leading Swiss Pharma company? Are Novartis investing in Swiss Intl?


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25330 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

I dont know specifics as to why an aircraft is painted, however Novartis is a large corporate account for LX and is one of the primary drivers of Swiss and previous Swissair providing services at EWR.


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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4119 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Novartis has given a lot of money when Swiss was in need of money, especially during the start up. One of the payments was 100 mio. CHF in cash.

The corporate account today is nothing special as they have corporate accounts with several airlines. Today Novartis flies easyJet out of BSL whenever possible (employees need a special permission to fly on other carriers when EZY is available), however Lufthansa is the main airline for longhaul flights (Novartis today is the largest customer of Lufthansa in Switzerland). Of course they use other carriers too...BA, SK, AF and OS see many passengers as well...

The LX production in Basel today is small and cannot be compared to the one they had during Swissair/Crossair times, the connections between Novartis and Swiss therefore are small. However Swiss could gain back passengers with expanding services. According to well informed sources, Swiss indeed is planning to base another aircraft in BSL next spring...we will see!

As for a direct BSL-EWR flight. Demand is there but Novartis and the other big companies in BSL at the same time are demanding big discounts so a direct flight is wishful thinking as long as the big companies have a somehow ridiculous idea of how much they should pay for a biz flight across the atlantic...

Regards,
Thomas



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User currently offlineWolverhampton From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Maybe the aircraft had been chartered by Novartis, or simply carrying a number of Novartis guests. Land Rover and Jaguar have previously had logos on aircraft in a non advertising manner.

User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 2):
As for a direct BSL-EWR flight. Demand is there but Novartis and the other big companies in BSL at the same time are demanding big discounts so a direct flight is wishful thinking as long as the big companies have a somehow ridiculous idea of how much they should pay for a biz flight across the atlantic...

That is not correct. LX had made made a rather attractive offer to the local enterprises of the trirhena area. All SWISS would have needed would have been a commitment for a minimum of eight seat per flight to launch the service offering a corporate deal. The price was never a real issue. Planning for the flight was actually already far advanced. Once SWISS failed to obtain a commitment for eight seats though, the issue was dropped. Contrary to what some people seem to believe, there simply is not enough demand to sustain a service between BSL and the New York area.


User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting Wolverhampton (Reply 3):
Maybe the aircraft had been chartered by Novartis, or simply carrying a number of Novartis guests. Land Rover and Jaguar have previously had logos on aircraft in a non advertising manner.

No, its been marked Novartis for years now... not just a single flight.


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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4119 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 4):
That is not correct. LX had made made a rather attractive offer to the local enterprises of the trirhena area. All SWISS would have needed would have been a commitment for a minimum of eight seat per flight to launch the service offering a corporate deal. The price was never a real issue. Planning for the flight was actually already far advanced. Once SWISS failed to obtain a commitment for eight seats though, the issue was dropped. Contrary to what some people seem to believe, there simply is not enough demand to sustain a service between BSL and the New York area.

The reason why they did not guarantee 8 seats is in my opinion because they have a good deal with LH. I don't know how much money LX wanted for each seat but hardly they could beat LH's still valid contract. Seeing that Novartis currently once again sends letters to employees to tell them they should save money on travelling, no airline will ever see a guarantee unless the price is lower than anything seen before...it's Novartis...they spend money for prestigeous things but when it comes down to the normal employee they save every Rappen.

Good move by LX however and interesting to here your comment.

cheers



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 6):

LH vs. LX, somehow that doesn't sound right, after all, they're the same company  Silly So wether the deal was signed with LH or LX doesn't matter anymore, as it stayed in the same company.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4119 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

The deal was signed with Lufthansa when airlines were in urgent need of customers...times in aviation change and Lufthansa today would never again do such a deal again. You can say about Novartis what you want but they are not stupid...they are extremely hard in negociating with airlines (and not only with airlines) and they will always make a deal that is in favour of them. There are people flying BSL-FRA-ORD and back EWR-FRA-BSL in biz including a United domestic flight in biz for around 2500 Francs, including taxes and a fee for the travel agency (bti Kuoni, Carlson Wagonlit etc.). As long as they receive these prices they will never switch to another carrier nor will they guarantee a fixed amount of seats to another airline.


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User currently offlineVegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

The Privatair wetlease for LX ZRH=EWR is known as the Novartis express.................

User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 8):
they are extremely hard in negociating with airlines (and not only with airlines) and they will always make a deal that is in favour of them.

As if they couldnt afford it  Yeah sure


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4119 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Another reason I forgot to tell is that Novartis USA has a long term agreement with CO. They fly all pax on CO to ZRH while the BSL staff mainly uses LH. There's only little room for a direct LX service as long as Novartis and the other companies don't get their act together.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 10):
As if they couldnt afford it

The philosophy of many large companies...big money for some few ones but at the same time saving where they can with the normal employee...

As I'm a shareholder of this company I should speak up on the next shareholder meeting. Big grin Would actually be quite funny to hear the reaction to this complete off topic matter. Big grin



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User currently offlineOrdfrbdl From France, joined Aug 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

I flew HB-IQA on a ZRH - ORD flight in July and noticed the Novartis sticker upon boarding... found the advertising quite interesting.

Also noticed that HB-IQO, which I flew from ORD to ZRH, does not have the Novartis sticker...

So, is IQA the only Swiss bus to have the sticker?



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

HB-IQA and HB-IQJ have those Novartis titles. Perhaps it's worth mentioning, that they are only on the left side of the aircraft.

Why the aircraft wear thos titles has been explained above.

Gerardo



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