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Has Anyone Noticed Sore Ears On The 777?  
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13962 times:

Meaning to post this for years but never got around to it.

I have noticed that on every 777 flight I take, my ears hurt a lot more in the descent than on other types. I dont recall ever getting sore ears on 747 or 757, but the 777 gets me every time. Never had the problem on any of the variants of the A340 or A330, or the A300 either, and never on a narrowbody.

First 777 flight I ever took was UA LHR-LAX back in 1998 and on descent through LA my ears hurt a lot and I was in real pain - they hurt and felt muffled for at least a week afterwards. I got the same thing on BA, EY, EK, KU, SQ, AF, AA and CO - although none were as bad as that first one. I suffered from ear infections a lot when I was a nipper and I sometimes have problems equalising up and down on deep scuba dives, but not always.

Does anyone have any kind of explanation for this? Is it just me, or does anyone else get it? Is it something to do with the ambient cabin pressure?

Rgds,

CM


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13903 times:

I've heard a few people report this on the A320 also. Ive never experienced sore ears on any aircraft so cant really comment.

User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2213 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13865 times:

Never in my life and at least 20-30 rides on this type. As with diving and any indication of fluid build-up in your sinuses, try taking some OTC medication to alleviate this symptom. It happened to me on a 747 flight from Okinawa to Tokyo once and it was among the worst experiences of my life, lasting 3-4 days before it cleared up. In the words of my hero, Ah feel yur pain.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13855 times:

Quoting Wingman (Reply 2):
it was among the worst experiences of my life, lasting 3-4 days before it cleared up

I hear ya. Not nice.  Sad



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 901 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13810 times:

On another note, anyone ever experience what I call 'airplane mouth'. A very very dry mouth with a horrible after-taste. I usually get it on MD80's when flying AA, most other aircraft it doesn't happen to the same extreme. Maybe it is just me.

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13777 times:

I really have never experienced sore ears on any type of aircraft but I've noticed people who have trouble equalizing while scuba diving also have ear trouble when they fly.

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 4):
On another note, anyone ever experience what I call 'airplane mouth'. A very very dry mouth with a horrible after-taste. I usually get it on MD80's when flying AA, most other aircraft it doesn't happen to the same extreme. Maybe it is just me.

I bet it's the rust on the old AA MadDogs.  duck 



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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 901 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13741 times:

Thats what I figured  Smile But man, it is terrible!

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13687 times:
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I didn't even know the 777 had ears Big grin


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User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13586 times:

There is the "777 Syndrome" that has been reported, but that is about light-headedness and nose bleeds. This was thought to be attributed to the fact the aircraft has very dry air system and can climb so quickly that some people would not adjust properly to the change in cabin pressure (changing more quickly inside the cabin) if the flight climbed straight to 39 - 41,000 feet on medium/long-haul routes. BA was looking into it. I just got off a 9 hour 777 ride tonight and it was great. I ride them all the time and have not noticed anything abnormal.

Have noticed more and more though that no matter what type you are on these days the climb is slow due to air traffic and fuel costs. BKK-MEL today we didn't get above 10,000 for almost 10 minutes as we sequenced out of the Bangkok area... then weaved through thunderheads for an hour (albeit a relatively smooth ride).

If you want a high speed climb in a 777, (OK technically not max power but relative to normal departures) catch a domestic AA 777 from MIA to DFW or a DL 777 (if they still do them from MCO, been a while for me) MCO-ATL when there are the afternoon scattered big cumulous clouds about... watch how fast that thing can get to FL 410. Some good videos on YouTube.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13523 times:

Quoting QantasHeavy (Reply 8):
If you want a high speed climb in a 777, (OK technically not max power but relative to normal departures) catch a domestic AA 777 from MIA to DFW or a DL 777 (if they still do them from MCO, been a while for me) MCO-ATL when there are the afternoon scattered big cumulous clouds about... watch how fast that thing can get to FL 410. Some good videos on YouTube

Try DXB-BKK on a EK 77W when the GE90 malfunction advisory order was out, so all GE90-powered T7s had to do full power takeoffs. Niiiiiice.

"Sporty" would be a good word to describe it.

To give you an idea, I travelled later that same month when the same advisory was out from AUH-BKK on a EY 77W. Fully loaded, not a spare seat anywhere, and I saw loads of freight pallets and LD3s around the aircraft when I boarded. Very hot day - about a seven and a half hour flight - 3,600 miles. Sat at the end of the runway for clearance. Brakes off first, then power up. Time from brakes off to hearing the thump of the gear bay doors closing?

33 seconds.

I timed it. Awesome.... Beats most 757s ive been on I think.

[Edited 2007-08-22 16:04:22]


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1456 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13479 times:

I have only experienced the aforementioned ear thing once. It was after a hard night out and I was really hungover. I flew an FRJ from JFK-RDU. I attributed it to being hungover... I've noticed in general on long flights that if I have more than a few drinks, when I wake up (on the flight) I usually feel terrible. I guess its the dehydration.

I try to drink as much water as I can on long hauls and it helps a great deal.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13436 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
I didn't even know the 777 had ears

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the thread title.....intrigued me, it did..... smile 


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13423 times:

I have only experienced painful ears once in all the flights I have taken. I was just over a serious cold and the ducts that go from the ears to the throat were still inflamed. I took a lot of decongestants and even antibiotics for a while before hand. I was also fine until landing. My ears plugged up badly and over the next half hour the pain increased. I found that nasal spray taken lying down helped. Apparently some of it leaks into that duct and it did help. Took a few days of ringing for it to go away. I have been on planes that did max power climbs to get out before expected weather problems impacted the flight. I have also been on flights that have been diverted and have made quick descents and the ear popping obviously is much more extreme.

User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13266 times:

Quoting QantasHeavy (Reply 8):
There is the "777 Syndrome" that has been reported, but that is about light-headedness and nose bleeds.

Where is this reported? I searched Google and Yahoo and do not find anything.

Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 12):
was just over a serious cold and the ducts that go from the ears to the throat were still inflamed

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Eustachian_tube

I went with some friends on a dive. It took several shallow dives before my ears would finally clear. If climbing, just ask the captain to descend a bit and try it again. I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem.

M


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 13):
If climbing, just ask the captain to descend a bit and try it again. I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem.

Chuckle.  Smile

I have never experienced ear issues on a 777. It holds pressure better than most narrowbodies.

As a kid I used to have some issues on douglas aircraft, and as an adult I can see why. The MD80s don't seem to hold pressure as consistently during ascent/descent as do other brands.

What may be happening with the OP is that every system runs at a specific frequency and SPL. The 777 may have a system (AC or otherwise) that happens to emit sounds and pressures that his ears are specifically sensitive to. That would be something that is both common to all 777s and unique to the 777, as on another plane, the noises and levels are all different...



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13185 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Thread starter):
I have noticed that on every 777 flight I take, my ears hurt a lot more in the descent than on other types. I dont recall ever getting sore ears on 747 or 757, but the 777 gets me every time. Never had the problem on any of the variants of the A340 or A330, or the A300 either, and never on a narrowbody.

Can't say I've noticed it, and I go out of my way to book 777s. But then I don't notice it on any plane I fly in, to be honest. Had it bad once as a kid on a UA DC-10 HNL-SEA, but that was some 25 years ago. But man, that did hurt.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13162 times:

I remember when I was a child, and unable to "pop" my ears during flight, and my ears hurt sooo badly. I think we were on a DC-8 of UA headed to LAX from DEN and I cried the entire way. But then again, as a child, I had ear problems. I had tubes in my ears (whatever that means) for a while.

My dad has always had a plane, so I was in a plane at least once every two weeks since I was a little boy, and I learned how to pop my ears. First I had to hold my nose and close my mouth and pretend to blow. They would usually pop then. But now, I just kind of shift my jaw, open my mouth a bit and they pop on their own.

You know what's really funny?

Everytime I drive home from work, I take Hefner Parkway here in Oklahoma City. It never fails, but everytime I exit to the offramp at my exit, it seems like the pressure increases outside and I have to pop my ears. Happens in the same exact spot, EVERYDAY! Like clockwork.


But as far as comparing a 777 to any other aircraft I've flown on, I've never really had any problems. The only time I have problems is if I have a severe head cold, but then that is just to be expected, on or off a plane.

UAL


User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13140 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Had it bad once as a kid on a UA DC-10 HNL-SEA, but that was some 25 years ago. But man, that did hurt

Had it bad only once on a UA DC-8 CLE-LAX, sbout 35 years go.


User currently offlineUAL4ever From Israel, joined Aug 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13104 times:

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 4):
On another note, anyone ever experience what I call 'airplane mouth'.

I never get ear soreness on any flights but I hate airplane mouth. Especially on long houl flights, if I fall asleep for an extended period of time (3-5 hours) I always wake up with this most anoying feeling. All it takes is a drink of water and it goes away. I can say that this is not uniqe to the mad dogs as I only fly UA.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13081 times:

Quoting UAL4ever (Reply 18):
I never get ear soreness on any flights but I hate airplane mouth. Especially on long houl flights, if I fall asleep for an extended period of time (3-5 hours) I always wake up with this most anoying feeling. All it takes is a drink of water and it goes away. I can say that this is not uniqe to the mad dogs as I only fly UA.

Is it easier to get drunk on airplanes? I know that I've had far less to drink on some long haul flights than I have on the ground and I always end up passing out and sleeping for the entire flight after drinking a few drinks.

UAL


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21525 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13032 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 19):
Is it easier to get drunk on airplanes? I know that I've had far less to drink on some long haul flights than I have on the ground and I always end up passing out and sleeping for the entire flight after drinking a few drinks.

Yes, because the cabin altitude is higher.

-Mir



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12991 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
Yes, because the cabin altitude is higher.

Is it set at 10,000ft?

UAL


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21525 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12938 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 21):
Is it set at 10,000ft?

No, it's generally somewhere between 6,000 and 8,000, depending on cruise altitude. The higher you are, the higher the cabin altitude will be.

-Mir



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User currently offlineLaminarFlow From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12883 times:

This is why Boeing is so feverishly flaunting a greater PSID limit on the 787 fuselage; this translates to lower cabin altitudes and subsequent enhanced passenger comfort.

User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12883 times:

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 4):
On another note, anyone ever experience what I call 'airplane mouth'. A very very dry mouth with a horrible after-taste.

Yep. It's caused by dehydration (the relative humidity in the cabin is very low).

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 19):
Is it easier to get drunk on airplanes?

Yep. Altitude plus dehydration.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 21):
Is it set at 10,000ft?

Normal is 8,000'. 787 will be 6,000'

Tom.


25 Bmacleod : The older 777-200s, built from 1995-1998 may have a small flaw in their pressurization systems. I'm sure Boeing was well aware of this and fixed it f
26 Access-Air : Last summer I experienced a problem with seriously bad headaches and even felt almost out of breath when flying on 2 Northwest Airbuses (a 319 and a 3
27 Maverick623 : Do you drive with the windows down or up?
28 PADSpot : I never had much pain with my ears when flying, but I thought I had to die when I took a flight with two make-shift teeth fillings in my mouth (while
29 BALandorLivery : This problem is NOT type specific. It's person specific. All a/c are pressurised to roughly the same cabin altitudes and have roughly the same ROC/RO
30 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : No matters how technologically advanced and efficient the 777 is, it is not known for being quiet from the inside. Never noticed this problem, but rat
31 FlyDreamliner : I've always had a ear issues with DC-9s, but given that pressurization system dates back... basically to before transistor radios, i've kind of unders
32 CodyKDiamond : I've had it on the A320 and A321.
33 Ikramerica : Again, you may have a specific sensitivity to the noise and pressure (force of the noise) of the A320 series. Just like the OP with the 777, it's lik
34 Post contains links Visityyj : http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=003ADy
35 FlyDreamliner : " target=_blank>http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-an...03ADy This looks like a message board post and has little credibility to me.... I'm going to ah
36 Visityyj : Your prerogative. Google "Boeing 777" +fainting if you care. Me ? Never happened to me, don't care one way or the other.
37 ATLflyer : Yes, I feel your pain too! Anytime I have any type of cold/sinus infection my ears start to hurt and I find it very difficult to hear. I have tried a
38 BAOPS777 : I know that 2 years ago BA did research as a number of the crew reported problems with sinuses and headaches. Due to the drieness of the air Of course
39 Access-Air : That could be....It doesnt seem to do bother me on any other planes that I can remember....Of course ity might just be me getting older...But it was
40 Post contains images Bond007 : The only problem is ... Google "Boeing 747" +fainting if you care, and you get 10 times as many results, Boeing 767 gives more, as does 737 .... you
41 ChiGB1973 : " target=_blank>http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-an...03ADy Thanks, I just tried "777 Syndrome" and got nothing. I tend to agree with you. Of the mil
42 PiedmontINT : Whenever I fly I always stock up on a few packs of gum which helps my ears. I had LOTS of ear infections when i was a kid (7 or 8 sets of tubes, I los
43 Post contains images Scooter01 : The sideways movement of the jaw might help. This is why the stewardesses used to run up and down the aisle with a tray of candy before take-off or la
44 DTWAGENT : My son has that problem everytime we fly into SAN. It does not make any difference in what aircraft we are on. He still gets sore ears. I have tubs in
45 ChiGB1973 : There's your problem. M
46 PHKLM : They still do at JJ.
47 Jamesbuk : I find listening my MP3 player till final approach normally stops my ears from popping/hurting. Rgds --James--
48 Farzan : I was quite surprised when I saw this thread title. My experience is exactly the opposite. A long flight on a 777 causes me much less discomfort in re
49 Helvknight : Only ever had the problem once, on an elderly 737. I don't want to experience it again.
50 DeltaJet757 : It only happens to me if I'm conjested or have been conjested from allergies or a cold or something. It doesn't really matter what plane I'm on. The p
51 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....we know that your CryAlliance UA nor SQ have any MadDogs in the fleet and you are just dying to fly on one... ...not to mention, many of AA's Mad
52 Tomascubero : A bit off topic, but the other day I went on a 1 hour ride on a C172 and I had been with a light flu the day before, it was extremely painful to get o
53 HAMAD : i flew last week to denver, and on the descent i did feel some pressure with slight pain in my ears. but it didnt happen when i returned to phoenix t
54 Jetfuel : DC9 used to be known for pressurisation problems with ears
55 Jamesbaldwyn : Last year flying back from holiday on our decent my dad was in terrible pain and had to imform the stewards of it. He described really bad 'Pins' bei
56 AirframeAS : I have had problems with aching ears on the M82/3's that AS has, but this was in 1998. I have only flown on M80's in AS colors. On the other aircraft
57 JewPilot : Try using Affrin Original OTC nasal spray. It works wonders for me when I fly. Take it right before you go into the airport, then put it in your to-be
58 Post contains images TXKF2010 : Was on my first 777 flight from DFW-ORD yesterday...my ears felt/feel great
59 CaptainJon : I had a severe cold on a long-haul flight on a 772 and when I landed it felt like my ears never popped fully. It was like that for a few days so I dec
60 LaminarFlow : Both excellent examples of why passenges, and pilots especially, are strongly discouraged from flying after having any congestion issues that would h
61 Tomaeroeng : Yes i had the exact same problem when I was about 16, coming back from BKK to FRA on a DE 767. Everything went fine, but on descent I felt a rising p
62 Post contains images Astuteman : Seconded. It's almost "eary" (too good to resist - sorry) As a slightly smaller alternative, a LAN Chile 767 with 40 pax, on the 1 hour hop from Rio
63 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Taxi for one!!! I've done TG 744 and 773A HKT-BKK-HKT - thats an hour and ten mins and they really go off there - 3/4 load both flights and no cargo
64 Aviateur : 777s don't have ears.
65 NZ107 : NZ do too. Although it didn't help one night on descent into SYD in a 762ER. It cleared after hopping into the car. Otherwise no other problems with
66 BRxxx : My ears hurt when I flew on a 777 from TPE to HKG. They had to climb all the way up to 40,000 ft at a very fast rate (which I also felt a bit dizzy du
67 Post contains images Norcal773 : I sure hope you're not a pilot because obviously, you don't follow instructions. Any ppl book specifically tells you not to fly when you have a flu.
68 SparkingWave : I've never had any sore ear problem on any 777 flights I've ever taken. I've flown many UA 777s, and also 777s on KE, SQ, and TG. My ears have always
69 Post contains images Jacobin777 : .....The only thing I would be stuck on would be your A32X and/or B73X's.......I'm trying to fly on the entire AA MadDog fleet of 300, I'm almost 1/2
70 Post contains images ElmoTheHobo : Yes, and a great way to get a throbbing headache and a hangover. The dry and thinner air with alcohol is a terrible combination. That said, there's n
71 JetJeanes : between 39 and 41,000 my ears and nose bother me and i breath a little deeper especially in an old rj
72 Post contains images KPDX : Ive had horribly sore ears on MD-80's, 757's, and many other planes BUT the A319 (Frontier). And everytime, it feels like me ears are gonna explode. I
73 Crjflyer35 : Though not limited to only the 777, the worst case of ear blockage I've had was on a UA 777 ICN-SFO....11 hour flight + head cold for 2 weeks = bad ne
74 Qslinger : Yes, I have experienced it a lot....so thats why I make sure that I bring a big bottle of water on the plane with me cos the water cabin crew gives m
75 Post contains images KrisYUL : Almost as good as an Ether high... or so I've read in Fear and Loathing is Las Vegas...*cough*cough*
76 Fpofllflyboi : My complete sentiments exactly.
77 AA777 : I have noticed this only on older 777's. It was particularly bad for me when I first flew the T7 with BA in 1997.... I expereince it as a sharp, pier
78 FlyboyOz : I heard the B773ER roared very loudly when the pilots started the engines....but in the air, they are getting quite.
79 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I just flew on an AA B772ER a few hours ago..no problems whatsoever, even next those MASSIVE engines (seat 13A).... ..
80 Post contains images Norcal773 : Are you sure it wasn't an AA MadDog coz last tiem I checked, AA didn't fly MASSIVED to SAN anymore..
81 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...oh yah, but the do fly ORD/DFW.... ..not only that, I did get my MadDog-80 to just to make sure..
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