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Midwest Connect/Skywest 2878 E-landing  
User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

This morning Midwest Connect flight 2878 MKE-EWR had an engine failure in flight shortly after departing MKE. These damn CRJs just keep giving us problems. Flight landed in one piece back at MKE.

[Edited 2007-08-22 18:14:03]

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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

How long can a CRJ go on one engine?


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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 1):
How long can a CRJ go on one engine?

Provided it can maintain level controllable flight, probably a while. If the airplane is preforming fine one engine, then it's a matter of fuel.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 1):
How long can a CRJ go on one engine?

"Straight to the scene of the crash" - Ron White

Seriously, a CRJ like any other twin airliner can go indefinitely on one engine as far as maintaining altitude, though it is still very wise and prudent to land pretty much ASAP. Airliners aren't like some of the light "training" twins where if you pull the engine you can basically maintain straight and level and if you're lucky climb at 100fpm.

That said, I'd rather be on something like the 73G or the E170 running on one than the relatively doggish CR2.


User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
"Straight to the scene of the crash" - Ron White

"I bet we beat the paramedics there by a half hour!"

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
though it is still very wise and prudent to land pretty much ASAP.

I would imagine it is SOP at most airlines, at least for aircraft with only two engines.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
Airliners aren't like some of the light "training" twins where if you pull the engine you can basically maintain straight and level and if you're lucky climb at 100fpm.

I think Part 121 aircraft have to demonstrate the ability to climb single engine (i.e. V1 cuts or failure during climbout, etc), although someone can correct me if I am wrong as I don't recall the specifics.



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Thread starter):
This morning Midwest Connect flight 2878 MKE-EWR had an engine failure in flight shortly after departing MKE. These damn CRJs just keep giving us problems. Flight landed in one piece back at MKE.

SkyexRamper,
has the OO crjs been a problem since coming onboard at YX???



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Engine failures, although rare, happen from time to time. Sometime for the strangest or most unexpected reasons. 99.9% of the time, they are non-events and the crews flying these aircraft get the passengers back on the ground safely. Although by no means a non-event, the pilots up front are extremely well trained professionals and make it seem easy.

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 2):
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 1):
How long can a CRJ go on one engine?

Provided it can maintain level controllable flight, probably a while. If the airplane is preforming fine one engine, then it's a matter of fuel.

100% Correct.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
Seriously, a CRJ like any other twin airliner can go indefinitely on one engine as far as maintaining altitude, though it is still very wise and prudent to land pretty much ASAP. Airliners aren't like some of the light "training" twins where if you pull the engine you can basically maintain straight and level and if you're lucky climb at 100fpm.

That said, I'd rather be on something like the 73G or the E170 running on one than the relatively doggish CR2.

The CRJ flies just fine on one engine. Although a dog up high, it has a lot of power down at the low altitudes.

Quoting Futureualpilot (Reply 4):
I would imagine it is SOP at most airlines, at least for aircraft with only two engines.

In the event we're flying on one engine, we'll land at the nearest suitable airport. Suitable meaning it has adequate runways, weather, crash-fire-rescue, etc.

Quoting Futureualpilot (Reply 4):
I think Part 121 aircraft have to demonstrate the ability to climb single engine (i.e. V1 cuts or failure during climbout, etc), although someone can correct me if I am wrong as I don't recall the specifics.

This is correct. We have climb profiles we have to be able to meet when flying on one engine. If you loose an engine at the worst possible moment, highest weight, worst conditions, etc... you will still be able to climb out and return for a safe landing.


User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 5):
SkyexRamper,
has the OO crjs been a problem since coming onboard at YX???

Yes....not this serious but way too many probs. Lately the 328s have been looking good.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Thread starter):
These damn CRJs just keep giving us problems.

So in other words, they fit right in?



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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1651 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

On, reading in the topic "E-Landing"

My first thought what would qualify as an E-Landing?  duck 

I guess it would be CATIII-C ILS.  sly 



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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 7):
Lately the 328s have been looking good.

Yikes!  duck  Hey Skyex, I got a story for you sometime.



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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Thread starter):

Did YX get another plane to take the passengers to EWR?


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

The strange thing is, the GE engines on the CRJ are among the most reliable in the business with very few problems. That being said, the ones SkyWest pulled from the desert to do this flying were ex indy air birds. I have heard that their engine maintenance program was not the greatest in the world. ACA never did things like Flex takeoffs or stuff like that. Those will murder an engine. Plus SkyWest does single engine taxi's I believe, and those will also murder an engine (Hence the reason my carrier does not do them). I don't know what condition these planes were in, but my sources tell me they weren't in great condition. I know SkyWest has a great maintenance department, but given where these birds were, I am not surprised that this happened.

I wonder if the service would have been better and more reliable had Midwest gone with Air Wisconsin as most people feel they should have.


User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Thread starter):
This morning Midwest Connect flight 2878 MKE-EWR had an engine failure in flight shortly after departing MKE. These damn CRJs just keep giving us problems. Flight landed in one piece back at MKE.

It was not an engine failure. Just a bleed air problem. Aren't we being just a bit dramatic?

Quoting MKENut (Reply 11):
Did YX get another plane to take the passengers to EWR?

Yes. Skywest actually keeps a spare at the hangar just in case. Can't say I've seen them use it much. Usually it just sits there but obviously today they did. The other one has been in and out of the hangar already so it must not have been too serious.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 12):
I wonder if the service would have been better and more reliable had Midwest gone with Air Wisconsin as most people feel they should have.

Probably depends on if ZW had obtained the same aircraft for the operation.



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User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Yes, it was a bleed air. We actually have not have much trouble with the OO CRJ's since they came online April 1. We have had some issues, but not nearly as much as someone elses CRJs. who has a state in their name.

User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

The other week MSN had a Pinnacle CRJ-200 flight (MCI-DTW) divert here with a right engine shut down, low oil pressure. Anyways it overnighted and departed the next morning as (MSN-MEM) supposedly fixed. However soon after takeoff it declared an emergency again with the same engine problem.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6101 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Every bird that OO has gotten from ACA/Indy in way way or another, have been crap. Poor engines (-1A version), lack of ACARS, not Cat II, etc., not to mention the maintenance headaches.

That said, there are a few ex-ComAir birds running around in MKE and MCI, too. The engines on those are crap, too, but not near as many problems.

As they go through maintenance, everything is getting upgraded as parts arrive. The -1B hot and high variant (as opposed to the standard -1B,) which are standard on OO's fleet, are slowly being swapped onto those birds as they arrive.



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User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 17):
Every bird that OO has gotten from ACA/Indy in way way or another, have been crap. Poor engines (-1A version), lack of ACARS, not Cat II, etc., not to mention the maintenance headaches.

All the "BR" tails that OO uses for YX have ACARS.. N698BR, N699BR, N709BR, N710BR all have ACARS. Tail N417SW has ACARS too. Tails N495CA, N494CA, N506CA, N506CA, N496CA. N498CA, N468CA, and N471CA do not have ACARS. Talk is to install ACARS..but talk is talk.

I do have to say (a bit off topic) The OO crews for the most part are GREAT! Captain Nate is hilarious.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6101 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Quoting N917ME (Reply 18):
All the "BR" tails that OO uses for YX have ACARS.. N698BR, N699BR, N709BR, N710BR all have ACARS.

They do now, but not when we got them.  Wink

And we're still waiting on engines.



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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 8):
So in other words, they fit right in?

Yep

Quoting MKENut (Reply 11):
Did YX get another plane to take the passengers to EWR?

Yes

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 13):
Aren't we being just a bit dramatic?

That's what I was told from my sources at the airport. Generally don't dought them.


User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 20):
That's what I was told from my sources at the airport. Generally don't dought them.

Better get some new sources then. Wink
Maybe they are the same ones who tell the news media what's going on at the airport since they turn everything into something it is not.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 21):
Better get some new sources then.

Can't always be at MKE either, glad today was my day off.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5713 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
"Straight to the scene of the crash" - Ron White



Quoting Futureualpilot (Reply 4):
"I bet we beat the paramedics there by a half hour!"

Oh too funny....



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