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Iran Buys Some New Tupolevs...  
User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

I searched for this, but I couldn't find anything, so perhaps it is new news to some. Anyway, I just read an article on the BBC website stating that Iran just purchased 5 new Tupolev passenger jets for Iran Air. Anybody know what type they are? I'm assuming Tu-204's with the Russian engines rather than the RB211's, but I'm not sure. Here's the article, without much detail about the actual order.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6959026.stm

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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9303 times:
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From Wikipedia...

"Iran Air is to begin a partial modernisation program of its own fleet and subsidiary Iran Air Tours using new-generation Russian aircraft. Five Tupolev Tu-204-100s will be acquired for Iran Air Tours, while two Ilyushin Il-96-300s will be taken on short-term lease for the airline’s mainline fleet, which could potentially lead to an order for four aircraft. The Tu-204 deal has been disclosed by Moscow-based lessor Ilyushin Finance (IFC), which said that the firm contract would be signed by 15 December 2006 with the deal also including five options. Iran Air expects the five firmly ordered twinjets to be delivered to Iran Air Tours in the second half of 2008 at a rate of one aircraft per month".

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11709 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9249 times:

It doesn't actually say Iran Air on the site, it wouldn't surprise me if this was just the official firming up of the Iran Airtour order for 5 Tu204 which was first mooted and announced this time last year after two of their Tu154's crashed with the loss of several hundred lives. Apparently it's taken over 5 years to have the negotiations on buying these aircraft, if they are indeed destined for Iran Airtours.

As a nation though they are going to need to buy a lot more from somewhere though soon - I know they've added a lot of F100's recently but the demand for air travel in Iran at the moment is rapidly increasing. Plus in addition to all the Russian models, they have some veteran kites like the 707, 727, 747/1/2/SP and all the early A300 models which will need a replacement soon. Hopefully not too soon though Big grin


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 9041 times:

According to skyliner-aviation Iran Air has just aquired and painted up an old 747-200, which is no younger than their own fleet from the 70s. Its line-number 310 from 1977, originally Qantas VH-EBM, and lastly operated by Bouraq Air.

User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 9030 times:

Well, thats great news for the 204.

I only wish I could see them flying around on a daily basis...



-Travel now, journey infinitely.
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11709 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 8974 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 6):
According to skyliner-aviation Iran Air has just aquired and painted up an old 747-200, which is no younger than their own fleet from the 70s. Its line-number 310 from 1977, originally Qantas VH-EBM, and lastly operated by Bouraq Air.

I'm not sure how accurate that is; their single -100 series first flew in 1979, with one of the two owned -200's making its first flight the same year and another just a few years before in '76. They have leased an Air Universal 742, line number 550, but that's an ex LH aircraft and they have had it for a while, so I'd have thought any further leases would have been of more recently produced models.


Dan Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8751 times:

They had a deal to order nearly 40 Tu-204 a few years ago. These aircrafts were for Iran Air Tour, Kish Air and Caspian but except the Mahan Air leasing with Cairo Aviation, I'm still waiting for a Tu-204 in Iranian colors and with Iranian registration (Mahan Air Tu-204-120 kept their Egyptian registration).
It would be great but things are changing every days in Iranian airlines and it's uneasy to know what's going to fly tomorrow.
Remember the local An-140 called IrAn-140. Two of them made some flights with Safiran Airlines, a lot of orders were expected (for Kish Air and Iran Asseman) but no news and I think Safiran is not flying anymore.......


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27327 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8650 times:

Would be nice to fly on a IR TU-204 or indeed an IL96. They will look great in IR colours .

User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Hmmm, now I find something very interesting in this. It is well known fact that Iran desperately needs some new airliners and they can have some Russian ones, too but they simply don't make such commitment. Does it mean they simply want to stay loyal to Western planes regardless everything?


R-E-S-P-E-C-T
User currently offlineIceberg210 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

It is just great to see Russian aircraft being ordered these days regardless of where they are off to. Its sad but due to poor public reception in Western countries we don't get to see them that often out here although I hope that will change at some point. Aircraft like the Tu-204 are great pieces of equipment and I believe in many cases able to fit in niche markets that the Western aircraft manufactures have gotten out of (ie 757). Oh well at least we still get to see them in freighter garb from time to time.

Congrats to Tupolev and I hope the orders continue to come in!!!



Erik Berg (Foster's is over but never forgotten)
User currently offlineNADC10Fan From United States of America, joined May 2005, 165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 9):
Hmmm, now I find something very interesting in this. It is well known fact that Iran desperately needs some new airliners and they can have some Russian ones, too but they simply don't make such commitment. Does it mean they simply want to stay loyal to Western planes regardless everything?

I think a more likely supposition is that Iran in reality wants to spend its money on "other" things rather than airliners. They have a certain image to meet, certain vows to fulfill, after all.  crazy  I find that regrettable, because my first thought on seeing the title was "Cool! A non-Russian, non-Communist nation with an order for Russian equipment!"

Well, I still hope to see it there. Congrats to Tupolev on getting this far in the process with Iran, and good luck bringing it the rest of the way home!



TANSTAAFL!
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

I'm going to try and post this another way so it doesn't get deleted:

I wish that Iran Air was able to get some really nice new aircraft and was able to fly to US destinations. I think it would fantastic to see them with some Boeing 777's. I think their livery would look beautiful on that aircraft. I know there are a lot of ex-Iranian citizens in the US that would benefit from a direct and nonstop flight between the US and Iran.

I think that the IL-96-400 would look fantastic in their livery as well, but I'd rather see them with some western planes.

Not going to go into political garbage here, which is why I think my last post was deleted, even though it was meant with "hope" and not to be inflammatory.

UAL


User currently offlineMiamix707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

The present Iran Air livery is boring, the classic tail is the only worthwhile thing to look at. Now on a Tupolev 204 and we have something much more interesting than say that scheme on an A319 or something.

Glad Tupolevs and Illushins are still being exported even if only Cuba and Iran are buying them. Russian planes are always cool.

[Edited 2007-08-23 21:46:11]

User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Iran Air rather fly DC3 than use Russian equipment, I doubt we will ever see Iran Air livery on russian Equipment these are going for Iran Air Tours the whole reason it was created was to not put Iran Air on Tu's and if they wanted to but 1l96 they could have by now and if they do its only political.

User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Seems not for Iran Air but for Iran Air Tour.
http://www.kommersant.com/p797901/r_500/MAKS_contracts_/
With the Red Wing, Rossya and Cubana orders, it's good news for Tupolev!


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11709 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting Curious (Reply 13):
Iran Air rather fly DC3 than use Russian equipment, I doubt we will ever see Iran Air livery on russian Equipment these are going for Iran Air Tours the whole reason it was created was to not put Iran Air on Tu's and if they wanted to but 1l96 they could have by now and if they do its only political.

I wouldn't be so sure of that, Iran Air seems to have leased two Il-96s recently (according to both wiki and other forums). Weather the aircraft materialised is another thing, but it shows a willingness to consider Russian aircraft within the mainline fleet.


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 15):

Wiki? well... sure they consider it but the consideration lasts about 3 seconds. If they really wanted it they would have ordered some, if you look at what they have actually bought or leased you will be that they have prefred to lease dated 742 then Russian stuff part quality but part persona


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Speaking of TU-204s, the first CU TU-204-100E PAX aircraft has been put to display at the MAKS. It is registered as CU-T1701. It's the same aircraft that recently made a few flighttests (including RNAV certification) at HEL almost 2 months ago, while CU's first TU-204-100CE Freighter, registered as CU-C1700, seems to have alreay been delivered to HAV, at least according to the photo captions.

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Hopefully those new Tupolevs will soon make an appearence down here at SJO on their HAV-GUA-SJO flight. They'd be a pleasant change from the usual Yak-42Ds (though I'd still like to see one of their Ilyushins down here as well).  Wink


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11709 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting Curious (Reply 16):
Wiki? well... sure they consider it but the consideration lasts about 3 seconds. If they really wanted it they would have ordered some, if you look at what they have actually bought or leased you will be that they have prefred to lease dated 742 then Russian stuff part quality but part persona

I've got to say that an order for the Il-96-400 like their chums in Syria have made would not surprise me at all. You keep pointing out that they don't like Russian aircraft, yet they have just ordered 5 for their subsidiary - to replace the existing Tupolevs. Now, surely if they were that against them, the 154s would have been replaced by leased MDs or Boeings/Airbusses - much like Mahan have done.



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User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

One more link (from Iran).
It seems to be confirmed now!
http://www.isna.ir/Main/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-975415&Lang=E


User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 18):



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 18):
I've got to say that an order for the Il-96-400 like their chums in Syria have made would not surprise me at all. You keep pointing out that they don't like Russian aircraft, yet they have just ordered 5 for their subsidiary - to replace the existing Tupolevs. Now, surely if they were that against them, the 154s would have been replaced by leased MDs or Boeings/Airbusses - much like Mahan have done.

They are ordering Russian aircraft becusae they have no choice. My point is that Iran Air will not fly Russian equip it never has and it could have by now to resolve its problems- thats why it created Iran Air Tours in the late 80's to fly Tu154M's rather than put it into its own livery. Iran air and Iran air tours is two seperate entities. And yes even IAT have tried replacing with MD83's and A300 from Turkey with limited success, even leasing is not a an easy option for Iranian airlines.


User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 24):



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 24):
No disrespect, and I don't have a problem with Tu154 et al (in fact I'm flying on one tomorrow - can't wait!), but as a serious competitor to the 757, A321, 737-800 / -900, the 204 is simply not in the same league. The interior is made of crap! The one I flew in one was very new, but poor quality materials meant side panels were already chipped, tray tables made of some weird material then PAINTED etc. Tupe have a long way to go. I understand national pride or a fascination with certain product lines, but on a purely commercial basis? Forget it. Anyway the sales history of the 204 says it all.

I had two flights with Air Cairo Tu-204-120 in 2001 (SU-EAI), operated on behalf of Egyptair. It was very confortable. I had the feeling to be in an Airbus or in a Boeing (I will scan the photo). 3 months earlier, I had a flight from BKK to SVO with an Aeroflot Il-96 and I was disapointed by the cabine because it was old fashion Soviet style as a TU3 or a TU5 but I'm still keeping a very good feedback of the Tu-204 confort.


User currently offlineN383PA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

I am quiet amazed that when it comes to the flying experience on an airliner, that a lot of people describe there dislikes
with the comfort on board. I would assume when you dislike an aircraft you would say something along the line of it was wobbly in the back or the engine noise in the cabin is to loud etc.

From my point of view as long an airliner is reliable and safe I would fly with it any time. Dont forget that the interior of an airliner is chosen by the airline. I have no doubt that if an airline comes along a says to Tupolev I want a Boeing like cabin and IFE, I cant see why Tupolev wouldn't do it.Money talks! I heart these complains of uncomfortable cabins for every type of aircraft because the airlines wanted it that way.

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