Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3625 times:
Air Canada and Jet Airways are negotiating a code-share agreement. While Jet will offer one-stop service (via BRU) to YYZ from Delhi and Mumbai, AC would code-share on Jet's flights between London and India. AC is groundhandling Jet in YYZ and Jet may join Aeroplan to access AC's FF market. I can't say whether this is a prelude to codesharing Jet's Canada-India flights, or code-sharing beyond each other's main hubs.
CayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3589 times:
That is interesting for sure.
I just read on another forumm, and cannot substantiate it as yet, that AC will commence codeshare with Swiss on their Zurich-Delhi flights commencing Oct 25/07.
Is YYZ ZRH year round daily?
Is YUL ZRH year round daily on swiss, and I assume that is an AC codeshare flight too?
So presumably AC will be able to offer YYZ DEL and YUL DEL via ZRH?
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3570 times:
Quoting CayMan (Reply 3): Is YYZ ZRH dropped entirely in winter season or reduced freq?
I would have thought YYZ ZRH trafic would be a little higher than YUL, not the other way around.
Dropped completely
Historically, YYZ-ZRH in winter is low yield because it is basically O & D. (If you were Swiss, why would you want to go skiing in the Laurentians?)
Toronto-Zurich hasn't been a good year round proposition for AC since the end of the war in Bosnia. AC got good refugee traffic at agency rates while the way was on.
CayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day ago) and read 3507 times:
So that begs the question, why is there enough traffic out of YUL for a daily year round and not enough out of YYZ for any flight at all?
I realize the markets are different etc, but YYZ handles 3x the traffic and has a much larger population base? Is a lot of the YUL to ZRH traffic going to GVA?
So there will be no AC option from YYZ to ZRH, other than via FRA?
Seems odd they would bother codesharing on the ZRH to DEL flight then but I guess they must have something in mind.
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day ago) and read 3493 times:
Quoting CayMan (Reply 5): So that begs the question, why is there enough traffic out of YUL for a daily year round and not enough out of YYZ for any flight at all?
YUL-ZRH is on LX and offers access to all of the latter's network.
YYZ-ZRH is an O&D route. There just isn't enough Swiss-originating Canada traffic in the winter to make it worthwhile. Now, if AC gets enough new aircraft - perhaps keeping a few XM 763s after the 787s begin arriving, perhaps this will change, but right now AC doesn't have the lift.
CayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 3399 times:
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 7): Air Canada will continue to offer year-round Toronto-Zurich traffic, however with reduced frequency from the base daily operations in the summer
That makes sense, although Sebring claims above it's "dropped completely" I don't know if he meant dropped completely from winter schedule or if he was suggesting AC had dropped ZRH as a route completely, year round.
Drgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 504 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
Jet seems like it would be a good complement for AC. Certainly it would be great for the carriers to be able to feed traffic at both ends. And Jet already has an alliance with UA, doesn't it? So perhaps aligning itself for a possible membership.
Goyal said a couple of years ago that Jet wasn't interested in being part of an alliance. Was pretty dismissal of the whole thing. Wonder if that is still the case?
Cslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 813 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 3199 times:
If 9W becomes AC's "strategic partner" will this mean than 9W might join Star Alliance instead of the (now merged and still state-owned) AI?
Mr Goyal appeared on BNN (formerly ROBtv and owned by CTVglobemedia) earlier today. The "Report on Buisness" article is based on that interview. Its too bad that 9W doesn't offer faster journey times by offering a refueling stop nearer the "Great Circle Route" or flying YYZ-India nonstop.
Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 10): If 9W becomes AC's "strategic partner" will this mean than 9W might join Star Alliance instead of the (now merged and still state-owned) AI?
9W has so far stayed clear on commenting on that front. There were some rumors that both AI and 9W would join *A, but personally I don't see that happening (the other alliances should try their best to try and prevent India from becoming a *A monopoly).
ANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 3018 times:
Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 10): Its too bad that 9W doesn't offer faster journey times by offering a refueling stop nearer the "Great Circle Route" or flying YYZ-India nonstop.
According to Great Circle Mapper:
2 segment path: 12473 km
YYZ BRU 6062 km
BRU DEL 6411 km
Historically, YYZ-ZRH in winter is low yield because it is basically O & D. (If you were Swiss, why would you want to go skiing in the Laurentians?)
Toronto-Zurich hasn't been a good year round proposition for AC since the end of the war in Bosnia. AC got good refugee traffic at agency rates while the way was on.
For the record, Sebring's information that YYZ ZRH is "dropped completely" is incorrect. In fact AC just announced increase to frequency YYZ ZRH to 5x weekly during winter months and returning to daily in summer. From another web site:
"Air Canada's planned 4-weekly Toronto - Zurich service will increase to 5 weekly eff 07JAN08. The day of operation is X57. The flight will go back to daily in April 2008."
9W has so far stayed clear on commenting on that front. There were some rumors that both AI and 9W would join *A, but personally I don't see that happening (the other alliances should try their best to try and prevent India from becoming a *A monopoly).
There are rumblings that LH is fuming mad at AI for proposing a hub in FRA.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21679 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
Quoting Sebring (Reply 6): Quoting CayMan (Reply 5):
So that begs the question, why is there enough traffic out of YUL for a daily year round and not enough out of YYZ for any flight at all?
YUL-ZRH is on LX and offers access to all of the latter's network.
Whenever I've flown LX ZRH-YUL-ZRH there are always quite a few connections from/to GVA. YUL is a more popular destination from the French-speaking part of Switzerland than the rest of Canada for linguistic reasons. I recall a GVA airport report a few years ago that listed YUL among the top 3 longhaul origin/destination markets from GVA without direct service. Tokyo was another and I believe the other was Washington.
LX also carries a lot of connecting traffic between YUL and points such as TLV.
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