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Jet And Air Canada To Code Share To India?  
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

Air Canada and Jet Airways are negotiating a code-share agreement. While Jet will offer one-stop service (via BRU) to YYZ from Delhi and Mumbai, AC would code-share on Jet's flights between London and India. AC is groundhandling Jet in YYZ and Jet may join Aeroplan to access AC's FF market. I can't say whether this is a prelude to codesharing Jet's Canada-India flights, or code-sharing beyond each other's main hubs.

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/serv...823.wrgoyal23/BNStory/robNews/home

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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

That is interesting for sure.

I just read on another forumm, and cannot substantiate it as yet, that AC will commence codeshare with Swiss on their Zurich-Delhi flights commencing Oct 25/07.

Is YYZ ZRH year round daily?

Is YUL ZRH year round daily on swiss, and I assume that is an AC codeshare flight too?

So presumably AC will be able to offer YYZ DEL and YUL DEL via ZRH?


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 1):

Is YYZ ZRH year round daily?

Is YUL ZRH year round daily on swiss, and I assume that is an AC codeshare flight too?

YYZ-ZRH, no

YUL-ZRH, yes


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Is YYZ ZRH dropped entirely in winter season or reduced freq?

I would have thought YYZ ZRH trafic would be a little higher than YUL, not the other way around.


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 3):
Is YYZ ZRH dropped entirely in winter season or reduced freq?

I would have thought YYZ ZRH trafic would be a little higher than YUL, not the other way around.

Dropped completely

Historically, YYZ-ZRH in winter is low yield because it is basically O & D. (If you were Swiss, why would you want to go skiing in the Laurentians?)

Toronto-Zurich hasn't been a good year round proposition for AC since the end of the war in Bosnia. AC got good refugee traffic at agency rates while the way was on.


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

So that begs the question, why is there enough traffic out of YUL for a daily year round and not enough out of YYZ for any flight at all?

I realize the markets are different etc, but YYZ handles 3x the traffic and has a much larger population base? Is a lot of the YUL to ZRH traffic going to GVA?

So there will be no AC option from YYZ to ZRH, other than via FRA?

Seems odd they would bother codesharing on the ZRH to DEL flight then but I guess they must have something in mind.


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 5):
So that begs the question, why is there enough traffic out of YUL for a daily year round and not enough out of YYZ for any flight at all?

YUL-ZRH is on LX and offers access to all of the latter's network.

YYZ-ZRH is an O&D route. There just isn't enough Swiss-originating Canada traffic in the winter to make it worthwhile. Now, if AC gets enough new aircraft - perhaps keeping a few XM 763s after the 787s begin arriving, perhaps this will change, but right now AC doesn't have the lift.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4953 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

Air Canada will continue to offer year-round Toronto-Zurich traffic, however with reduced frequency from the base daily operations in the summer.

Montreal-Zurich is a different situation, with different traffic mix.


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 7):
Air Canada will continue to offer year-round Toronto-Zurich traffic, however with reduced frequency from the base daily operations in the summer

That makes sense, although Sebring claims above it's "dropped completely" I don't know if he meant dropped completely from winter schedule or if he was suggesting AC had dropped ZRH as a route completely, year round.


User currently offlineDrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 4574 times:

Jet seems like it would be a good complement for AC. Certainly it would be great for the carriers to be able to feed traffic at both ends. And Jet already has an alliance with UA, doesn't it? So perhaps aligning itself for a possible membership.

Goyal said a couple of years ago that Jet wasn't interested in being part of an alliance. Was pretty dismissal of the whole thing. Wonder if that is still the case?

Doogie


User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

If 9W becomes AC's "strategic partner" will this mean than 9W might join Star Alliance instead of the (now merged and still state-owned) AI?

Mr Goyal appeared on BNN (formerly ROBtv and owned by CTVglobemedia) earlier today. The "Report on Buisness" article is based on that interview. Its too bad that 9W doesn't offer faster journey times by offering a refueling stop nearer the "Great Circle Route" or flying YYZ-India nonstop.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 1):
Is YYZ ZRH year round daily?

Believe it drops down to 4 weekly during the fall, and back up to 5 during the winter ski season (January - onwards).



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3172 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

Quoting Sebring (Thread starter):
Jet may join Aeroplan to access AC's FF market.

That would be absolutely awesome!

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 10):
If 9W becomes AC's "strategic partner" will this mean than 9W might join Star Alliance instead of the (now merged and still state-owned) AI?

9W has so far stayed clear on commenting on that front. There were some rumors that both AI and 9W would join *A, but personally I don't see that happening (the other alliances should try their best to try and prevent India from becoming a *A monopoly).



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 10):
Its too bad that 9W doesn't offer faster journey times by offering a refueling stop nearer the "Great Circle Route" or flying YYZ-India nonstop.

According to Great Circle Mapper:

2 segment path: 12473 km
YYZ BRU 6062 km
BRU DEL 6411 km

YYZ DEL 11662 km

Via BRU is just 7% further than non-stop.


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 4):
Dropped completely

Historically, YYZ-ZRH in winter is low yield because it is basically O & D. (If you were Swiss, why would you want to go skiing in the Laurentians?)

Toronto-Zurich hasn't been a good year round proposition for AC since the end of the war in Bosnia. AC got good refugee traffic at agency rates while the way was on.

For the record, Sebring's information that YYZ ZRH is "dropped completely" is incorrect. In fact AC just announced increase to frequency YYZ ZRH to 5x weekly during winter months and returning to daily in summer. From another web site:

"Air Canada's planned 4-weekly Toronto - Zurich service will increase to 5 weekly eff 07JAN08. The day of operation is X57. The flight will go back to daily in April 2008."


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 12):


9W has so far stayed clear on commenting on that front. There were some rumors that both AI and 9W would join *A, but personally I don't see that happening (the other alliances should try their best to try and prevent India from becoming a *A monopoly).

There are rumblings that LH is fuming mad at AI for proposing a hub in FRA.


User currently offlineNijltje From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

9W joining STAR would be fantastic for STAR flyers in Belgium! Finally some options to fly direct. Let's hope....

This can also impact the decision for (SN)BA to choose alliance...


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24118 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 6):
Quoting CayMan (Reply 5):
So that begs the question, why is there enough traffic out of YUL for a daily year round and not enough out of YYZ for any flight at all?


YUL-ZRH is on LX and offers access to all of the latter's network.

Whenever I've flown LX ZRH-YUL-ZRH there are always quite a few connections from/to GVA. YUL is a more popular destination from the French-speaking part of Switzerland than the rest of Canada for linguistic reasons. I recall a GVA airport report a few years ago that listed YUL among the top 3 longhaul origin/destination markets from GVA without direct service. Tokyo was another and I believe the other was Washington.

LX also carries a lot of connecting traffic between YUL and points such as TLV.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3172 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 15):
There are rumblings that LH is fuming mad at AI for proposing a hub in FRA.

So will that impact AI's possibly entry into *A? Or is this just a posturing/bargaining thing?



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