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Any Other Airlines Using Huds Besides WN?  
User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2691 times:

Was just wondering if anybody knows if other airlines(US or worldwide) besides WN are using HUDS(Head's Up Displays) in their flight decks on the 73G's?? I know our military has such fighter jets in use. I am good friends with a WN captain and says it is a great improvement for doing ILS or other approaches.

Felipe


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2691 times:

I believe AS uses them as well.

User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2676 times:

Well, how weird. I work next ro their gates here in KPHX and would have never thought that right next to me is a carrier(other than WN) using them..  Yeah sure ...  Silly Thanks AirTranTus!

Felipe



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21080 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2665 times:

I've seen a HUD in the cockpit of a TZ 738. The pilot said he hadn't used it for the approach, however, since it was bumpy and the display tended to shake in turbulence, making it hard to read.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
I've seen a HUD in the cockpit of a TZ 738. The pilot said he hadn't used it for the approach, however, since it was bumpy and the display tended to shake in turbulence, making it hard to read.

-Mir

Well I can certainly related to that...although I don't have HUDS. I have a hard time even adjusting the throttle and/or squawking a Xponder code in really bumpy approaches! Thanks!

Felipe



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2643 times:

Alaska was an early user of HUDs. If memory serves, a big driver for them was a big fog event at SEA back in the late 1970s or so. The place was impacted by fog for a week or two, with RVRs staying mostly below landing minimums but popping just barely above once in awhile. It turned their hub ops into shambles, and I seem to recall that they were actually busing pax to PDX and running a hub from there.

In addition to Alaska, Horizon, and Southwest, I believe Delta and AA have them on some aircraft types. Keep in mind that you don't need a HUD to be able to shoot CAT-II and CAT-III approaches--there is other equipment out there.


User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
Keep in mind that you don't need a HUD to be able to shoot CAT-II and CAT-III approaches--there is other equipment out there.

Oh I know, we at CO use Cat-111A with autolands.... I would think the HUDS is more of luxury or another option now days when there was no Cat 111A's and Ca111B approaches that use RA for primary vertical guidance, as compared to back when AS was struggling with the ground fog issues there at SEA.

Regards,
Felipe



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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2617 times:

To add to OPNLGuy's list, one of the primary users of the HUD systems was surprisingly Ryan International. Ryan used them on their B727-100 fleet throughout the 1990s on their overnight Postal runs in case IND or other stations went down. Was quite interesting to think that the HUD system onboard was probably worth more than the rest of the airframe when it was parked after the contract was ended!

JSD



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User currently offlineWerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2617 times:

B6 has HUD's in their E-190's

User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2582 times:

Thanks to all...didn't realize that there are a good amout of other carriers using the system! Have only seen it done in two aerial devices..I say it that way because one of the "devices" isn't actually a aircraft technically...the Space Shuttle. The other aircraft is the G5.

Regards to all
Felipe



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User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

According to this report....http://www.flygforsk.lu.se/files/The%20Head%20Up%20Display%20Concept.pdf
the first HUD was used by Air Inter in the early 80's but AS pioneered the commercial version of the device on their 727-200's in 1986. The HUD was an important tool in improving air service into cities with a history of bad weather such as Southeast Alaska and the Northwestern US.



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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Scandinavian Airlines Sweden has HUD's in their 736/7 and 8's with the AOC permit to use them in low vis. approaches.The SAS 73NG's in use with SAS Norway have them installed,but de-activated since the ex-BU ones do not.Neither is there an approval for use in the separate AOC for SAS NO.


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User currently offlineBlooBirdie From Lesotho, joined Sep 2003, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

SA too...



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User currently offlineSacamojus From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

My Corvette had it!  duck 

User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

This article has taken me by surprise, found it quite interesting as I thought that HUD's were still only military.


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User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

This seems a littel backwards to me. In the past (probably before the 737 NG's came out), didntWN put round dials in all their planes to keep training uniform?

User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Commutair also has them in their Dash 8's courtesy of previous operator Horizon Airlines:

http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-2964


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 15):
This seems a littel backwards to me. In the past (probably before the 737 NG's came out), didntWN put round dials in all their planes to keep training uniform?

When the 733s and 735s were still in production, Southwest ordered them with "round-dial" indicators (in lieu of EHSIs and EADIs) in order to keep the cockpits as common as possible with the 732s (then still in the fleet). Over the years, Southwest has acquired used 732s, and 733s from the used market, and those too were all round-dials.


User currently offlineSnaiks From Panama, joined Mar 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

if i recall correctly AA has huds in their 738's. very interesting to see everything right in your face instead of looking down

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26194 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
If memory serves, a big driver for them was a big fog event at SEA back in the late 1970s or so.

I believe difficult Alaska approaches, JNU in particular, also influenced the decision.

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 15):
. In the past (probably before the 737 NG's came out), didntWN put round dials in all their planes to keep training uniform?

Well, the original 733s came with round dials anyway, so going glass later would have been counter productive. Further, WN still has commonality in the 73Gs due to the software that allows those cockpits to emulate a steam dial cockpit.



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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2503 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

DL also has them in the 738 also.

User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1443 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

QF has HUD's on their 73H fleet


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