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Not Enough A380 Gates At Heathrow  
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8728 times:

As of now, there are 4 A380 gates at T3. So One World is fine.

Singapore will be using the T3 gates when they start their A380 service to LHR in late 2007/early 2008. However, by 2009, T5 will be open, and Singapore will be forced into T1 with the rest of Star Alliance. As of now, no A380 gates are planned there. Will they have to temporarily switch to 747 service until "Heathrow East" is built?

Also, several non aligned airlines plan to use the A380 to LHR: Emirates, Etihad, Malaysia, and Qatar. However, there are no plans of putting A380 gates at T4.

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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

They won't have to switch back to the 747, I have heard that SQ might not be moving in to T1 for a few years yet. When BA moves into T5 in March next year not everyone is moving at the same time. It will be done over a few years as and when infrastructure, including A380 gates, are built.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8279 times:

And there aren't going to be that many A380s flying in the next year, anyway, so they have time...


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User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
And there aren't going to be that many A380s flying in the next year, anyway, so they have time...

Ah, the voice of reason speaks!

At first I thought this thread said "Not enough A380s *for* gates at Heathrow"

Is this a wingspan issue, or a double deck jetway issue?



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6557 times:

it sounds very uncomfortable, but you can board an A380 also over stairs while parked on the apron in case of gate lack  Wink

we did it here in FRA during several boarding tests and it wasn't that slow if everything works fine.


User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

I suspect double deck jetway. The A380 fits in the 80m x 80m box and the A346 is longer than the A380.
Since Heathrow is going to go through so many more changes (with complete demolition of Terminal 2), I suspect building a few spaces with double (or triple) jetways into T1 will not be a challenging task.


User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Most stands at LHR can't take an 80m wide aircraft, length is not really an issue.

If the A380 programme hadn't been delayed then I think LHR would be in a bit of trouble, but because of the delays they should be ok for capacity.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

By the time SQ move from T3 to T1, all of their remaining 19 JumboJets will have been retired from service, so switching back is definitely not an option. SQ is about the last airline that would board a WhaleJet using stairs on the apron. I don't think SQ will be willing to move to T1 until and unless gates suitable for the WhaleJet are available there.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

There's not enough of anything at Heathrow, who is surprised?

User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
I don't think SQ will be willing to move to T1 until and unless gates suitable for the WhaleJet are available there.

I think you underestimate BAA. SQ's willingness may have little to do with the issue. They will move where and when the airport authority tells them to move under penalty of losing LHR rights. Name me an airline that will relinquish LHR slots over a comfort squabble.
All a moot point, as they will be given first dibs on new 380 gates that promise to be available before the eventual terminal swap.



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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 5):
The A380 fits in the 80m x 80m box

The 80m box defines the largest standard aircraft type (ICAO code F/ FAA group 6). Virtually all airport gate areas are considerably smaller than that, so both the wingspan (gate spacing) and the dual-level jetways are an issue when accommodating the A380.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 8):
There's not enough of anything at Heathrow, who is surprised?

This is clearly untrue. There is much more than enough luggage looking for its owner.  Wink


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):

This is clearly untrue. There is much more than enough luggage looking for its owner

Yes, and there are more than enough Costa Coffees, too.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 9):
I think you underestimate BAA. SQ's willingness may have little to do with the issue. They will move where and when the airport authority tells them to move under penalty of losing LHR rights. Name me an airline that will relinquish LHR slots over a comfort squabble.
All a moot point, as they will be given first dibs on new 380 gates that promise to be available before the eventual terminal swap.

BAA have in the past been very threatening to any airline that doesn't accept their decisions; when we had the fog chaos last December BA & BMI in particular whre badly affected, but were told to put up with it or be grounded completely.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 13):
BAA have in the past been very threatening to any airline that doesn't accept their decisions; when we had the fog chaos last December BA & BMI in particular whre badly affected, but were told to put up with it or be grounded completely.

... a predictable consequence of selling all the London area airports to one company. No company should be allowed to own two airports within 100km of each other.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

No, no, no. Aircraft at LHR don't use gates. They just taxi straight to the queue for the departure so they can get a place. They then deboard the pax by bus, board the next lot by bus and service the aircraft in the queue. It's okay, because there's more than enough time sitting in the queue for a turnaround.

User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 15):

Ha, ha, ha, right on!

I'm actually assuming that Heathrow East won't really have 'gates' at all, you'll simply have to pass through a shop in order to board your aircraft, which I suspect will only be permitted once your boarding card has been stamped by at least one retail checkout.....  crazy 

Riv'



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