LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 14228 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7136 times:
That order was I believe taken up by HP after TW merged with AA. The A318s were supposed to be powered by PW6122 engines, but in the end, HP cancelled those orders, probably in favour of more A319s, after it came out that the PW6000 engine had design flaws which delayed its EIS.
Itsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7050 times:
Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 2): Would the A318's have worked out for HP/US, or was the demise of the order a good thing for them? John.
the A318 has proven to be not such a great fit for most US Airlines, just look at F9, they have traded up their 318 options to 319's for a few years now. I love the 318, but HP was smart to get 319's instead.
I agree, it was a smart move. I had the chance to fly on one of F9's A318 last week and it was a great flight, but the extra capacity of the A319 makes more sense given that the running costs are so close.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5498 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6778 times:
Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 3): the A318 has proven to be not such a great fit for most US Airlines, just look at F9, they have traded up their 318 options to 319's for a few years now. I love the 318, but HP was smart to get 319's instead.
Actually the 318's are doing great for F9. It works well in markets that are not showing numbers like the 319 does. I have found they use them more in markets that are seasonal hits like SEA for example. You will notice them switch from 319's to more 318's during the winter months when traffic in SEA slows a bit. Other great areas to focus the 318's on are markets that F9 is a newcomer to. It usually takes a little time to build good traffic numbers on new routes. I love the 318 personally, and it was always a treat to fly on them. Not much of a difference in them as far as a passengers point of view, but it was fun knowing I have been on them. For a growing airline like F9, I can see the smaller aircraft as a good tester so to speak. I guess Spirit would be another good example of it too.
I could see the benefit of the 318's for US in the cases mentioned above, but US is pretty established on most of its routes. The E190 seems to be a suitable bird for them.
Actually the 318's are doing great for F9. It works well in markets that are not showing numbers like the 319 does
Quoting Mariner (Reply 7): I don't think so. They ordered four more A318's, the last of which was delivered in June
I am not saying they are not a good airplane, I am saying they have limited generic utility and don't work as a "backbone" fleet aircraft. I was just on a F9 A318 from DAY to DEN 3 weeks ago and have always loved the type. The A318 is not significantly cheaper to operate than the 319, that is why F9 changed out to more A319's from the original A318 order.
Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3431 times:
I don't think the A318 would be good choice for the HP/US fleet now...
Even though it is fully compatible with other single aisle A320 family in the fleet. It is the wrong aircraft for the job, in this market. The EMB 190/195's do the job far better and at much less cost!
The A318 is in exactly the same position as the 737-600, it is too much aircraft for th job! While the 737-700/A319 and the 737-800/A320 all thrive the 737-600/A318 market is a complete flop!
With aircrafts like the BAe 146 and Fokker 70/100's coming to the end of their useful like, both Boeing and Airbus were hoping to capitalise with airlines placing replacement orders A318. This has not really happened, and a good example is FlyBE here in the UK that went for the EMB E-195 instead, to replace their clapped out old BAe 146's. Airbus have also tried to get the A318's certified to land into LCY which requires STOL certification, and successfully achieved this, but no airlines who operate in this market has come forward yet to place an order!