MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15722 posts, RR: 47 Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 4879 times:
They were busy this week; their planning department must have just woken up from their hibernation. They also added additional capacity in MIASTI and MIAPLS, as well as BOSPLS, DFWPLS, and DFWPTY. On the other hand they pulled ORD back quite a bit with the exception of EZEORD.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6779 posts, RR: 25 Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 4755 times:
Timed for Latin American flight as usual. PHX-MIA is a logical next step for AA at MIA. I keep wondering about MIA-AUS and what seems to be the delay on that.
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QQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2198 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 4566 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6): Also does AA have any 738s on order?
47 remain from a previous order that was deferred. Nine of the those will be delivered in 2009, as the company recently moved them up from 2012-2013. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about more move ups in the next six months.
[Edited 2007-08-25 19:00:51]
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HPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 4457 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10): Yeah it was, but I think AUS-MIA could work simply because AA has a large hub in MIA. I cant think of why AA tried AUS-SEA.
Techies.... same reason for SJC...
on another sad note, CLE MIA looks like it's going to Sat only soon starting in early Oct,,, yet another pull down...
AlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 4343 times:
I suppose this makes sense just due to PHX's relatively large status as an AA outstation - there are lots and lots of flights to DFW and ORD every day, many on 757s. But MIA initially seems strange - since Arizona and Florida are both warm-weather winter destinations, air traffic between the two states is incredibly small (people from the cold states will go to either in the winter in large numbers, but people don't go between the two very much). For example, MCO only gets three flights from PHX, TPA gets two, and FLL gets one. Of course, it is Saturday and summer so the numbers are probably even smaller than normal, but they don't get very big. Contrast this with eight flights between MSP and PHX, and a total of 12 flights between MSP and Florida. Even in Major League Baseball, teams have spring training in Arizona or Florida, but the Diamondbacks don't train in Florida and none of the Florida teams train in Arizona. With the sole exception of the Dodgers, all west coast teams train in AZ and all east coast teams play in FL, with the central teams going to either.
This part is just my own observation, but... I go to ASU, which has something like 30-35% out-of-state students. Basically, I meet people all the time from all over the country. I meet lots of people from nearby places like OR, WA, CA, NV, CO, and TX. I meet lots of people from northern states like MN, WI, IL, and MI. And, I meet lots of people from out east, like NJ and PA. However, I've only rarely met people from the southern states, like an occasional person from TN or GA. I've never, ever met anybody here who was from Florida.
I suppose it will help that the flight connects to the Latin America flights, but I don't imagine that there will be all that many O&D passengers on there.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31116 posts, RR: 74 Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 4318 times:
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13):
I suppose it will help that the flight connects to the Latin America flights, but I don't imagine that there will be all that many O&D passengers on there.
Phoenix and Miami are two big cities, with 660 daily people flying between the two cities.
Longhornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 48 Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 4318 times:
Just out of curiosity, where did you see that AUS-SEA was pulled? I still see it on the timetable...
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6779 posts, RR: 25 Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 4310 times:
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13): I suppose it will help that the flight connects to the Latin America flights, but I don't imagine that there will be all that many O&D passengers on there.
I think the only reason this flight is existing is for Latin American connections, not O&D. If you look at the times, it is timed for Latin American Passengers, not O&D.
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31116 posts, RR: 74 Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 4299 times:
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 15): Just out of curiosity, where did you see that AUS-SEA was pulled? I still see it on the timetable... confused
It was removed from booking systems last night.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
I think the only reason this flight is existing is for Latin American connections, not O&D.
They could never fill a 738 with just Latin American connections, the main ones (GRU, CCS, and EZE) which can go via Dallas. Latin America connections, cruise traffic, and O&D are all what the flight is aimed at. The flight will probably end up having a healthy 40% or so of O&D traffic, like most domestic routes AA has from Miami.
Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):
on another sad note, CLE MIA looks like it's going to Sat only soon starting in early Oct,,, yet another pull down...
Should be back to daily by 13Dec07.
So far MIA-PHX is one of four new routes AA is launching from Miami on 13 December. The other three being SAV, SRQ, and BAQ.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15722 posts, RR: 47 Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 4274 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6): Besides ORD-PDX have any markets been dropped?
Quite a bit...the only thing I remember off the top of my head was ORDORF was dropped, and DENORD and COSORD were pulled down by at least one trip I think.
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 4264 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18): Quite a bit...the only thing I remember off the top of my head was ORDORF was dropped, and DENORD and COSORD were pulled down by at least one trip I think.
SiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 367 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 4256 times:
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13): But MIA initially seems strange - since Arizona and Florida are both warm-weather winter destinations, air traffic between the two states is incredibly small (people from the cold states will go to either in the winter in large numbers, but people don't go between the two very much)
As stated above, Miami and Phoenix are huge city with many corporations on each end. This has been missing from AA's route system for a while now. Also stated about the route is timed perfect for Latin America connections. While there will be some tourists on these flights, this is not what AA is going for on this new route. They want business travelers and connecting passangers. AA has flights between LAX-MIA, SFO-MIA, or LAS-MIA. These are both warm destinations too, correct?
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 3857 times:
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13): For example, MCO only gets three flights from PHX, TPA gets two, and FLL gets one.
Not usual for the western states, say look at SFO a much bigger market: 1 flight to MCO, 0 to TPA and FLL (unless you go across the bridge and catch B6 daily flight to FLL) and LAS is also similar to PHX.
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13): With the sole exception of the Dodgers, all west coast teams train in AZ
Only one more spring training in FL for the Dodgers, in 2009 they are in the Valley..
One of Phoenix's problems is a lack of corporate headquarters..
When and what days does BOSPLS run? For F/As, Is it part of a BOS-I turn?
matt
25 Amazonphil: LA and LAS yes...warm types. But SFO...not so warm, in the really warm sense as PHX or MIA. Felipe
26 SANFan: I'm happy to see AA growing MIA and PHX was expected to be one of the first major-route additions there. It will be interesting to see what moves are
28 Ckfred: I would assume that there will be new service to replace what has been pulled, either new routes or increased frequency on existing routes. Simply pu
29 LACA773: On AA.com, the new nonstop flight PHX-MIA is not available? When will they be loading it? Will the a/c on this flight most likely be a 738? This a/c s
30 HPAEAA: It's loaded in the schedule that came out for the desktop tool as of 25AUG07.. it's a 738 AA2486, as stated above... GOOO PHX, I only hope CLE get's
31 AirframeAS: Will AA be hiring for more folks in PHX for this?
32 PHXMKEflyer: Where did you get that figure from??
33 MAH4546: It will be bookable this week, probably by Tuesday. US DOT, though it includes traffic to Miami and Fort Lauderdale airports.
34 AirCop: Be a nice chance of pace for AA's PHX operations. Well I wouldn't say alot of flights to ORD, perhaps 5 depending on the season. but the PHX-ORD run
35 CM767: Well this flight comes to late..... for me , I go to PHX at least twice a year from PTY. in the past I was loyal to AA, and it was a loooong trip with
36 ElmoTheHobo: It is now flown seasonally. Service restarts 7 April 2008.
37 RJpieces: What took them so long to start it, lack of aircraft?
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