MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18198 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6611 times:
They were busy this week; their planning department must have just woken up from their hibernation. They also added additional capacity in MIASTI and MIAPLS, as well as BOSPLS, DFWPLS, and DFWPTY. On the other hand they pulled ORD back quite a bit with the exception of EZEORD.
47 remain from a previous order that was deferred. Nine of the those will be delivered in 2009, as the company recently moved them up from 2012-2013. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about more move ups in the next six months.
[Edited 2007-08-25 19:00:51]
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AlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6075 times:
I suppose this makes sense just due to PHX's relatively large status as an AA outstation - there are lots and lots of flights to DFW and ORD every day, many on 757s. But MIA initially seems strange - since Arizona and Florida are both warm-weather winter destinations, air traffic between the two states is incredibly small (people from the cold states will go to either in the winter in large numbers, but people don't go between the two very much). For example, MCO only gets three flights from PHX, TPA gets two, and FLL gets one. Of course, it is Saturday and summer so the numbers are probably even smaller than normal, but they don't get very big. Contrast this with eight flights between MSP and PHX, and a total of 12 flights between MSP and Florida. Even in Major League Baseball, teams have spring training in Arizona or Florida, but the Diamondbacks don't train in Florida and none of the Florida teams train in Arizona. With the sole exception of the Dodgers, all west coast teams train in AZ and all east coast teams play in FL, with the central teams going to either.
This part is just my own observation, but... I go to ASU, which has something like 30-35% out-of-state students. Basically, I meet people all the time from all over the country. I meet lots of people from nearby places like OR, WA, CA, NV, CO, and TX. I meet lots of people from northern states like MN, WI, IL, and MI. And, I meet lots of people from out east, like NJ and PA. However, I've only rarely met people from the southern states, like an occasional person from TN or GA. I've never, ever met anybody here who was from Florida.
I suppose it will help that the flight connects to the Latin America flights, but I don't imagine that there will be all that many O&D passengers on there.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33578 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6031 times:
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 15): Just out of curiosity, where did you see that AUS-SEA was pulled? I still see it on the timetable... confused
It was removed from booking systems last night.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
I think the only reason this flight is existing is for Latin American connections, not O&D.
They could never fill a 738 with just Latin American connections, the main ones (GRU, CCS, and EZE) which can go via Dallas. Latin America connections, cruise traffic, and O&D are all what the flight is aimed at. The flight will probably end up having a healthy 40% or so of O&D traffic, like most domestic routes AA has from Miami.
Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):
on another sad note, CLE MIA looks like it's going to Sat only soon starting in early Oct,,, yet another pull down...
Should be back to daily by 13Dec07.
So far MIA-PHX is one of four new routes AA is launching from Miami on 13 December. The other three being SAV, SRQ, and BAQ.
SiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5988 times:
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13): But MIA initially seems strange - since Arizona and Florida are both warm-weather winter destinations, air traffic between the two states is incredibly small (people from the cold states will go to either in the winter in large numbers, but people don't go between the two very much)
As stated above, Miami and Phoenix are huge city with many corporations on each end. This has been missing from AA's route system for a while now. Also stated about the route is timed perfect for Latin America connections. While there will be some tourists on these flights, this is not what AA is going for on this new route. They want business travelers and connecting passangers. AA has flights between LAX-MIA, SFO-MIA, or LAS-MIA. These are both warm destinations too, correct?
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5589 times:
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13): For example, MCO only gets three flights from PHX, TPA gets two, and FLL gets one.
Not usual for the western states, say look at SFO a much bigger market: 1 flight to MCO, 0 to TPA and FLL (unless you go across the bridge and catch B6 daily flight to FLL) and LAS is also similar to PHX.
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13): With the sole exception of the Dodgers, all west coast teams train in AZ
Only one more spring training in FL for the Dodgers, in 2009 they are in the Valley..
One of Phoenix's problems is a lack of corporate headquarters..