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AA To Start MIA-PHX  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Posted (6 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Finally, American will begin daily service between Miami and Phoenix on 13 December 2007:

AA 2485 MIA 1725-2030 PHX
AA 2486 PHX 0820-1420 MIA


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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

I assume this is a 757 service?


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User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

Great news! We have been waitng for this non-stop for a long time.

User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2272 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6284 times:

finally glad to see this route started. Now when will AA ever add AUS-MIA?

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17335 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 6193 times:

They were busy this week; their planning department must have just woken up from their hibernation. They also added additional capacity in MIASTI and MIAPLS, as well as BOSPLS, DFWPLS, and DFWPTY. On the other hand they pulled ORD back quite a bit with the exception of EZEORD.

[Edited 2007-08-25 16:25:52]


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7496 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

Timed for Latin American flight as usual. PHX-MIA is a logical next step for AA at MIA. I keep wondering about MIA-AUS and what seems to be the delay on that.


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6026 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
On the other hand they pulled ORD back quite a bit with the exception of EZEORD.

How much was ORD pulled back?? Besides ORD-PDX have any markets been dropped?

Also does AA have any 738s on order?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17335 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6026 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
I keep wondering about MIA-AUS and what seems to be the delay on that.

On a related note, AUSSEA was pulled as was the second daily LAXXNA



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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
Also does AA have any 738s on order?

47 remain from a previous order that was deferred. Nine of the those will be delivered in 2009, as the company recently moved them up from 2012-2013. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about more move ups in the next six months.

[Edited 2007-08-25 19:00:51]


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
On a related note, AUSSEA was pulled as was the second daily LAXXNA

This was no brainer for failure


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7496 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
This was no brainer for failure

I think its just going seasonal, but AUS-MIA could work year round simply because AA has a large hub in MIA.

[Edited 2007-08-25 19:33:13]


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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
Yeah it was, but I think AUS-MIA could work simply because AA has a large hub in MIA. I cant think of why AA tried AUS-SEA.

Techies.... same reason for SJC...


on another sad note, CLE MIA looks like it's going to Sat only soon starting in early Oct,,, yet another pull down...



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

Hopefully, MIA-SAN is now just around the corner!


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5657 times:

I suppose this makes sense just due to PHX's relatively large status as an AA outstation - there are lots and lots of flights to DFW and ORD every day, many on 757s. But MIA initially seems strange - since Arizona and Florida are both warm-weather winter destinations, air traffic between the two states is incredibly small (people from the cold states will go to either in the winter in large numbers, but people don't go between the two very much). For example, MCO only gets three flights from PHX, TPA gets two, and FLL gets one. Of course, it is Saturday and summer so the numbers are probably even smaller than normal, but they don't get very big. Contrast this with eight flights between MSP and PHX, and a total of 12 flights between MSP and Florida. Even in Major League Baseball, teams have spring training in Arizona or Florida, but the Diamondbacks don't train in Florida and none of the Florida teams train in Arizona. With the sole exception of the Dodgers, all west coast teams train in AZ and all east coast teams play in FL, with the central teams going to either.

This part is just my own observation, but... I go to ASU, which has something like 30-35% out-of-state students. Basically, I meet people all the time from all over the country. I meet lots of people from nearby places like OR, WA, CA, NV, CO, and TX. I meet lots of people from northern states like MN, WI, IL, and MI. And, I meet lots of people from out east, like NJ and PA. However, I've only rarely met people from the southern states, like an occasional person from TN or GA. I've never, ever met anybody here who was from Florida.

I suppose it will help that the flight connects to the Latin America flights, but I don't imagine that there will be all that many O&D passengers on there.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13):

I suppose it will help that the flight connects to the Latin America flights, but I don't imagine that there will be all that many O&D passengers on there.

Phoenix and Miami are two big cities, with 660 daily people flying between the two cities.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3277 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Just out of curiosity, where did you see that AUS-SEA was pulled? I still see it on the timetable...  confused 

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7496 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13):
I suppose it will help that the flight connects to the Latin America flights, but I don't imagine that there will be all that many O&D passengers on there.

I think the only reason this flight is existing is for Latin American connections, not O&D. If you look at the times, it is timed for Latin American Passengers, not O&D.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 15):
Just out of curiosity, where did you see that AUS-SEA was pulled? I still see it on the timetable... confused

It was removed from booking systems last night.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):

I think the only reason this flight is existing is for Latin American connections, not O&D.

They could never fill a 738 with just Latin American connections, the main ones (GRU, CCS, and EZE) which can go via Dallas. Latin America connections, cruise traffic, and O&D are all what the flight is aimed at. The flight will probably end up having a healthy 40% or so of O&D traffic, like most domestic routes AA has from Miami.

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):

on another sad note, CLE MIA looks like it's going to Sat only soon starting in early Oct,,, yet another pull down...

Should be back to daily by 13Dec07.

So far MIA-PHX is one of four new routes AA is launching from Miami on 13 December. The other three being SAV, SRQ, and BAQ.

[Edited 2007-08-25 20:49:53]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17335 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
Besides ORD-PDX have any markets been dropped?

Quite a bit...the only thing I remember off the top of my head was ORDORF was dropped, and DENORD and COSORD were pulled down by at least one trip I think.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Quite a bit...the only thing I remember off the top of my head was ORDORF was dropped, and DENORD and COSORD were pulled down by at least one trip I think.

how about mainline market exits?


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13):
But MIA initially seems strange - since Arizona and Florida are both warm-weather winter destinations, air traffic between the two states is incredibly small (people from the cold states will go to either in the winter in large numbers, but people don't go between the two very much)

As stated above, Miami and Phoenix are huge city with many corporations on each end. This has been missing from AA's route system for a while now. Also stated about the route is timed perfect for Latin America connections. While there will be some tourists on these flights, this is not what AA is going for on this new route. They want business travelers and connecting passangers. AA has flights between LAX-MIA, SFO-MIA, or LAS-MIA. These are both warm destinations too, correct?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7496 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
It was removed from booking systems last night.

It still exist in the timetable after April though. Maybe its just going seasonal.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6755 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
ORDORF was dropped

American Eagle dropped ORD-ORF? How utterly odd.. when is this supposed to take place?



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13):
For example, MCO only gets three flights from PHX, TPA gets two, and FLL gets one.

Not usual for the western states, say look at SFO a much bigger market: 1 flight to MCO, 0 to TPA and FLL (unless you go across the bridge and catch B6 daily flight to FLL) and LAS is also similar to PHX.

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13):
With the sole exception of the Dodgers, all west coast teams train in AZ

Only one more spring training in FL for the Dodgers, in 2009 they are in the Valley..

One of Phoenix's problems is a lack of corporate headquarters..


User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
BOSPLS

When and what days does BOSPLS run? For F/As, Is it part of a BOS-I turn?

matt


25 Amazonphil : LA and LAS yes...warm types. But SFO...not so warm, in the really warm sense as PHX or MIA. Felipe
26 Post contains images SANFan : I'm happy to see AA growing MIA and PHX was expected to be one of the first major-route additions there. It will be interesting to see what moves are
27 Onetogo : Booo. We want BOS-PHX on AA!
28 Ckfred : I would assume that there will be new service to replace what has been pulled, either new routes or increased frequency on existing routes. Simply pu
29 LACA773 : On AA.com, the new nonstop flight PHX-MIA is not available? When will they be loading it? Will the a/c on this flight most likely be a 738? This a/c s
30 HPAEAA : It's loaded in the schedule that came out for the desktop tool as of 25AUG07.. it's a 738 AA2486, as stated above... GOOO PHX, I only hope CLE get's
31 AirframeAS : Will AA be hiring for more folks in PHX for this?
32 PHXMKEflyer : Where did you get that figure from??
33 MAH4546 : It will be bookable this week, probably by Tuesday. US DOT, though it includes traffic to Miami and Fort Lauderdale airports.
34 AirCop : Be a nice chance of pace for AA's PHX operations. Well I wouldn't say alot of flights to ORD, perhaps 5 depending on the season. but the PHX-ORD run
35 Post contains images CM767 : Well this flight comes to late..... for me , I go to PHX at least twice a year from PTY. in the past I was loyal to AA, and it was a loooong trip with
36 ElmoTheHobo : It is now flown seasonally. Service restarts 7 April 2008.
37 RJpieces : What took them so long to start it, lack of aircraft?
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