777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5188 posts, RR: 4 Posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2612 times:
Can anyone explain why one is more popular over the other, I would have imagiend AF to be serving more places than KL with KL Cargo doing better, but its the other way around with AF Cargo serving more places.
KLM are serving:
Kuwait
Bahrain
Dammam
Doha
Abu Dhbai
Dubai
Muscat restarts in December, all are with A332 except Dubai which is 777, where as KLM Cargo only serve Dubai.
Air France are serving:
Dubai
Jeddah
Riyadh
latter two with A319LR, Dubai with A332/772, where as AF Cargo serve Kuwait, Bahrain, Jeddah, Dammam, Dubai and Abu Dhabi.
YOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4781 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2567 times:
My guess: QR, EK, EY do not serve AMS but all of them have cargo ops to AMS so maybe there is overcapacity/too much competition to AMS. Additionally none of the 3 big gulf carriers have regularly scheduled cargo ops to France.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2549 times:
Quoting YOWza (Reply 1): My guess: QR, EK, EY do not serve AMS
Not really, as QR, EK, EY are "only" feeding their hub from CDG with most passengers continuing their journey toward South east Asia / Australia.
In the early 90s, when Air France was struggling to survive, AF was serving much more cities in the Gulf :
JED, RUH, BAH, AUH, DOH, MCT, SHJ, ADE, SAH, BGW, KWI, THR ...
Most of those destinations were stopped as part of the "recovery" plan launched in 1993. With finally AUH, KWI and THR closed in 1997/98, leaving only DXB, RUH, and JED served in the early 90s.
AF tried to re-launch DOH and KWI with the A319ER and they were quite successful but after AF and KL merged it was decided that KLM only would be in charge of those destinations : there was no more reason for AF and KL to compete on the same market with the risk for both to lose money now that KLM was belonging to AF.
In counterpart AF took over some KLM's West African destinations like DLA, ABJ, SSG.
YOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4781 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2356 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
Not really, as QR, EK, EY are "only" feeding their hub from CDG with most passengers continuing their journey toward South east Asia / Australia.
I don't understand your point? Sure they are feeding their hubs but they are doing this PAX flights to CDG whereas AMS sees dedicated cargo service only so it makes less sense for KL cargo to have heavy ops from AMS to the GCC...
Correction: EY Crystal Cargo does not serve AMS but QR Cargo and EK Cargo does.
777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5188 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
The other Dutch carrier Martinair Cargo seem to be compensating for KL Cargo in the Gulf, they serve Kuwait, Bahrain, Doha, Dammam, Sharjah and Muscat.
Martinair will also be starting passenger service to Muscat with a 763 from November according to Wikipedia, is that why KLM are resuming the route?
HECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 7): Martinair will also be starting passenger service to Muscat with a 763 from November according to Wikipedia, is that why KLM are resuming the route?
MP is indeed starting Muscat, flights will continue to Phuket in Thailand. Oman is gaining interest as a holiday destination. The MP flights are (heavily) focused on leisure travelers/tourists while KL mainly targets the business travelers. I believe both airlines have different goals in opening the AMS-MCT route but it is nice to see such Dutch interest in serving MCT with passenger flights.
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