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SBN-IND And EVV-IND Flights On Cape Air Soon...  
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3716 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

OK... it still has to be approved by the DOT, and the flights will be in nine-seat Cessna 402Cs initially. But Indiana is getting razor-close to getting SBN-IND and EVV-IND intrastate flights again starting October 31, thanks to Cape Air. Could FWA-IND be far behind?

Link: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...s/2007-08-24-indiana-flights_N.htm


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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

We've seen so many times requests for this type of service - the question is how long will it last.

A good help to make this service work would be a codeshare on a brand carrier. Off the top of my head, if NW put the code on the flights, that may be a boost the NW FF base as they still have their focus city operation at IND. The only problem with the concept is that we are talking about 9 seat aircraft. So, what would NT do - buy 2 seats to resell?



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 5678 times:

I think the minimum seating should be 19 seater Beechcraft. A 9 seat aircraft? Would people really fly on one of them? But, yes, I would love to see an airline do intra-Indiana flying. I know business people would love that, as I'm sure they come to Indy quite often.

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 5665 times:

Quoting RampGuy (Reply 2):
I think the minimum seating should be 19 seater Beechcraft. A 9 seat aircraft? Would people really fly on one of them?

Cape Air is extremely successful up in New England with the 9 seaters, so evidentially MANY people "fly on one of them" quite often.

Why run a 19 seater when chances are only 9 seats will be filled anyways, therefore causing an (even bigger) subsidy to be needed? If there was money to be made flying this with a 19 seater I'm sure someone would have already taken the bait.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5620 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
EVV-IND

Doubt that will last long. Especially since it's rather easy to drive from EVV to IND to catch a flight.

I would like to see them in Kentucky with some OWB-BNA flights or something like that.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):

Cape Air is extremely successful up in New England with the 9 seaters, so evidentially MANY people "fly on one of them" quite often.

There is a big difference between Cape Air's services in New England and Micronesia - competition. All of the Indiana airports that are listed here have service by either AA/UA/DL/CO/NW/US/TZ or other major or LCC. Tell me if any of them fly to Martha's Vineyard.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5517 times:
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Quoting B4REAL (Reply 5):
There is a big difference between Cape Air's services in New England and Micronesia - competition.

Cape Air has some obvious competition out of SJU and yet they seem to be doing pretty well too.

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 1):
A good help to make this service work would be a codeshare on a brand carrier.

And that may be why Cape Air does well out of SJU, its services are code-shared by CO.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4536 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Quoting Lexy (Reply 4):
Doubt that will last long. Especially since it's rather easy to drive from EVV to IND to catch a flight.

I guess if you call a 3 hour drive easy.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
I guess if you call a 3 hour drive easy.

Done it plenty of times when I lived in Western Kentucky. Believe me, the traffic on the roads between IND and EVV is fairly heavy for a three hour drive. Remember, they want to link the two cities with I-69.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 5):
Tell me if any of them fly to Martha's Vineyard.

As many of those airlines fly to MVY as do fly direct between EVV-IND and SBN-IND. This isn't made to pick up connecting traffic for the most part, it's made for the intrastate commerce to the capital/largest city.


User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Is this a primarily O&D service or are they looking for connections as well? Is Cape Air planning on codesharing with anybody on these routes?

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

It would appear to be strictly O&D traffic. Which with nine seats, could work I guess.


Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2264 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Looks like a great idea to me. Glad to see CapeAir expand some more. Great outfit!

ATCT



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Where does Cape Air keep finding all the C402's for this new service and that EAS they picked up north.

User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Quoting RampGuy (Reply 2):
I know business people would love that, as I'm sure they come to Indy quite often.

There are lots of businesses with headquarters in one and offices in another that need this service. I worked for two of them myself and the frustration level is huge.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 4):
Doubt that will last long. Especially since it's rather easy to drive from EVV to IND to catch a flight.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
I guess if you call a 3 hour drive easy.

3 hours IF...

You dont get caught at any of the two dozen stoplights, or the 2 or 3 RR crossings, or the constant repairs on 41, or the mess in Terre Haute getting to the Interstate.

Or if you have more time and want less frustration you can drive to Louisville and hang a left.. Yeah sure

Sad that I can drive to Indy faster and easier from Lexington Kentucky that from Evansville Indiana. Just did it for the Colts Bears game and from the Dome to my driveway in the middle of Lexington it was 2 hours and 45 minutes.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 8):
Remember, they want to link the two cities with I-69.

Only half the state does, the other half has been very successful delaying it decades.  banghead 



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Kind of funny how in a previous thread, I had made comments about a proposed service on this same route and how I stressed that it was a neccessary and good idea and I was shot down for the idea being impractical and too costly etc... etc....Funny how some people end up eating their own words.....I am glad to see that Cape Air is doing this. And yes, there are some people that would and will use the service. We need to shed this Regional Jet mentality and quit discounting the use of propeller planes on routes that warrent Propeller planes!!!!!!!!

Access-Air



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

I found the thread that I was referring to:

SBN-IND-EVV? (by SBNair3022 Jul 19 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Sorry I didnt include it in my previous post....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 15):
Kind of funny how in a previous thread, I had made comments about a proposed service on this same route and how I stressed that it was a neccessary and good idea and I was shot down for the idea being impractical and too costly etc

The costs of your recommended 2-piloted turbine-driven Beech 99 would still be impractical compared to this dirt cheap single pilot piston prop operation.


User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4972 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
I guess if you call a 3 hour drive easy.

I'd much rather fly out of EVV than drive up that horrible highway known as US41 to get to I70 for a flight out of IND. If I still lived in the EVV area (I now live near ORD/RFD) I would drive for a flight out of SDF before IND.

Craig



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4946 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 17):
The costs of your recommended 2-piloted turbine-driven Beech 99 would still be impractical compared to this dirt cheap single pilot piston prop operation.

True, it probably would be more costly with 2 pilots. However, I believe that for safety reasons and to make the passenegrs feel safer, you would need to have a two-man crew. Cape Air might have a hard time convincing MIdwestern passengers onto a single pilot flown aircraft operation. Maybe I'm wrong, as I dont think single pilot Cessna 402 oeprations are a bad thing, but I personally think that its gonna be tougher on Cape Air flying SP in the middle of the country than where the presently operate.
Out in the Northeast and down in Florida, travellers are accustomed to flying for years with the likes of PBA, Bar Harbor, Gull Air and now Cape Air flying Cessna 402s and probabaly single pilot!!
Cessna 402s were popular in the midwest in the 1970's but as soon as Beech 99s and Metros came around, piston planes fell by the way side and all except a few airlines in the mid to late 80s like Alliance, Propheter, American Central, Brower, Direct Air flew Navajos or CE-402s, most of which were 2 pilot crews.
I worked for Propheter and the Stipulation was we HAD to use 2 man crews. Imagine thge workload flying into ORD with a single pilot!!!!!!!

I applaud Cape Air for stepping up to this challenge and I hope it works!!

If it succeeds, I would love to see them possbily start flying from OHare to cities like Sterling/Rock Falls, Galesburg, Danville, or Mattoon, Illinois.

Access-Air



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User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 4933 times:

Just curious, where would an EVV-IND or IND-SBN flight likely divert to? Just turn around and go back to the point of origin? Or could HUF, LAF, BMG, etc. see diversions sometime?

User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

It will be nice if it will be on either ERJ or CRJ when it will be more comfortable.

User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2264 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 19):
Imagine thge workload flying into ORD with a single pilot!!!!!!!

No more than flying a solid IFR day ACK-BOS. VFR conditions in a Cessna 402 into ORD is cake. (I wouldnt know, I know C90A's, but its still not hard)

ATCT



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 21):
It will be nice if it will be on either ERJ or CRJ when it will be more comfortable.

The CRJ is comfortable? I'd bet on the 402 being more comfortable.

Also, how would a 50 seat RJ running THAT route ever be feasible?


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Sorry for the double dip...

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 19):
Imagine thge workload flying into ORD with a single pilot!!!!!!!

But nobody is going to ORD, they're going to IND. A Class C airport in the flatlands of Indiana.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 19):

If it succeeds, I would love to see them possbily start flying from OHare to cities like Sterling/Rock Falls, Galesburg, Danville, or Mattoon, Illinois.

ORD slots should NOT be wasted flying more highly drivable routes on minuscule aircraft into one of the most congested airports in the country. It's bad enough the number of slots wasted flying to ORD from places like BMI, MLI, PIA, and SBN as it is on CRJ's. The last thing we need are more short hops, but being flown on 9 pax aircraft. A blip is still a blip, a slot is still a slot, and ORD is still uber-congested.

Flying them to the Class C wide open spaces at IND is fine, there is no congestion there (despite their little 3rd parallel rwy plans).

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 19):
Cessna 402 oeprations are a bad thing, but I personally think that its gonna be tougher on Cape Air flying SP in the middle of the country than where the presently operate.

The weather is VFR far more often in Indiana than in the Cape Cod region. The terrain is also more gentle (and no oceans in the way), and the skies are far less congested.

The only problem I can see is during heavy lake effect snows in SBN. How good are the deicing abilities of a C402?


25 Post contains links Indy : The Cape Air deal must be a done deal. They have put their first job listing online for IND. http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeek...n%3bSS%3dNO%3bTITL
26 Access-Air : De-icing abilities of Cessna 402s are very easy.....They are small and all flying surfaces can be reached by someone with their hands standing next t
27 Tornado82 : Been there, done that, still waiting on the tshirts. I lived right in the aforementioned area, in VPZ , up there by SBN and depending on traffic a 1.
28 Rcardinale : this decision seems a little wierd to me. Cape Air currently flies to vacation destinations from large citites such as BOS and TPA. Thought that they
29 Syncmaster : Not to change the subject, but I wouldn't exactly call SBN a "waste of slots" for United. Virtually all of their flights are at least 90% full or bet
30 Tornado82 : 8x is still a waste, upgrade the equipment and cut it down to about 6x. The frequency doesn't mean a thing when the flights are so often behind sched
31 Access-Air : Hmmmmm....this seems to be what I have been screaming over and over and over about in just about every thread having to do with over congested hubs..
32 Tornado82 : I wasn't disagreeing with you there. Syncmaster is the one who chastised my "waste of slots" phraseology in terms of SBN's 8x CRJ's, not you.
33 Access-Air : No problem......I was just making the statement that there are too many mega hubs as you and I agree that are way over served with too many Regional
34 Tornado82 : Many EAS contracts are like that already. I've sat through a hop in CKB numerous times on my way to/from MGW. I used to quite often go SBN-PIT-CKB-MG
35 Access-Air : Great Lakes used to run a flight from Spencer to Ft. Dodge to Mason City to Waterloo to OHare....Imagine if all of those cities would have needed its
36 Post contains links KarlB737 : Looks like GYY will try to get in on the Cape Air action to IND as well. Courtesy: Gary Post-Tribune "In other action, the authority voted 4-0, with t
37 FWAERJ : That's a good start! Now if they could also get DL Connection to ATL, SX to CMH and possibly other cities, or G4 to SFB and PIE. Although G4 has said
38 Indy : Does anyone know who will be handling the Cape Air flights? And where will they operate at IND? I can't see them having a ticket counter and/or a gate
39 DeltaDC9 : Just as I knew it would be, another lawsuit looks to stall I-69 for years, groundbreaking was supposed to happen soon, but not now it appears. The tim
40 Indy : A new one was filed? I wonder if the governor will exercise the same option with this one as he did with the toll road suit? The option was one that r
41 Marksixel : They will operate out of the terminal, most likely D concourse. comair will handle the flights in SBN and EVV.
42 Indy : D doesn't seem likely when their partners appear to be CO, DL and NW. None of which are in D. Though C2 which is set up for tarmac boarding is leased
43 Post contains links KarlB737 : Fort Wayne is wondering why they have been left out of the proposed Cape Air Intrastate flights. I would have thought that short distance factor would
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