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Southwest (WN) Starts SFO (a Little Early)  
User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2057 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5847 times:

SW brought in three 738 into SFO this afternoon. I guess to get their ground crews familiar with operations. They officially start their flights tomorrow and an Official SFO welcome scheduled for Monday.


John@SFO
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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5821 times:

I think OP means 73G (737-700).

Just for the future, WN is the code for Southwest :]. Remember, you can't spell Win without WN.

-A



What now?
User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5741 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Thread starter):
SW brought in three 738 into SFO this afternoon. I guess to get their ground crews familiar with operations. They officially start their flights tomorrow

WN brought those planes in today NOT to get the crews familiar with the operations but so that there would be aircraft in SFO for the originating flights tomorrow. I know at least one of those aircraft was brought in from MDW.


User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 1):
I think OP means 73G (737-700).

Yeah because we only fly 733s, 735s, and 737s.



Ground Ops, Southwest Airlines, CMH
User currently offlineDacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5707 times:

These are the aircraft ferried to SFO for the inaugural flights;

N281WN (DAL-SFO)

N288WN (MDW-SFO)

N290WN (PHX-SFO)

Good luck to my Southwest family members in SFO.

Michael
(Dacman)
LAX / LGB Local
WN SNA Ops



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User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8500
-700 from Dallas Love field, presumably with Herb/Gary/Colleen onboard

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8501
-700 from Midway

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8502
-700 from PHX Sky Harbor


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5367 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Thread starter):
SW brought in three 738 into SFO this afternoon. I guess to get their ground crews familiar with operations.

I'm sure you're correct but WN does originate 3 a/c in SFO every morning on their start-up schedule so they are also just getting the a/c in position.

(Tomorrow also sees SAN, with the return of 8 daily r/t to SFO, break the 100-flights/day threshold for the first time ever! Thank you WN for your efforts at and belief in San Diego!)

bb


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

Thanks for the insight from all. It makes sense, three aircraft for three destinations. I took a guess on the aircraft type, as you can see.  Smile


John@SFO
User currently offlineBNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

And overnight the roundtrip MSY-SFO fare dropped to $230 !

User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

I heard they are planning 100 flights a day out of SFO... they will be running SFO-SEA... yes...???


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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4772 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5190 times:
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Quoting Legacyins (Thread starter):
I guess to get their ground crews familiar with operations

Since the ground crew consists of agents that transfered from other stations, I'd say there is little they are not already familiar with. Especially since almost everyone starting there has at least 5 years with the company.  Smile

As stated, they arrived for positioning.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):
(Tomorrow also sees SAN, with the return of 8 daily r/t to SFO, break the 100-flights/day threshold for the first time ever! Thank you WN for your efforts at and belief in San Diego!)

bb

Wish me luck! I have a double today, so that means I will experience SAN's entire first day as a 100+ flight station.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

Quoting Lono (Reply 9):
I heard they are planning 100 flights a day out of SFO

HUH! I think that's what they say everywhere they go. We're still waiting here in Music City..........


Good luck SFO. I am sure you will support WN well. Personally, I hope to see some flights to there non-stop from BNA in the future!



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

The first 2 flights are airborne right on time! Ticket counter was packed this morning as well.

84 to MDW and 1835 to SAN

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 10):
Since the ground crew consists of agents that transfered from other stations, I'd say there is little they are not already familiar with. Especially since almost everyone starting there has at least 5 years with the company.

As stated, they arrived for positioning.

We had a customer service agent leave PIT to go work at SFO.



Ground Ops, Southwest Airlines, CMH
User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1030 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4324 times:

Why'd they leave SFO in 2001 anyway?


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User currently offlineFuturesdpdcop From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1293 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4300 times:

I am flying on the last SFO-SAN flight tonight departing at 8:45pm. Was thinking of doing a trip report but I doubt I'll get around to doing it.

User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4291 times:

Quoting Futuresdpdcop (Reply 15):
I am flying on the last SFO-SAN flight tonight departing at 8:45pm. Was thinking of doing a trip report but I doubt I'll get around to doing it.

Oh come on do it!!!!!!



Ground Ops, Southwest Airlines, CMH
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4291 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 14):

High Cost, ATC problems were a mess, and it was screwing up the entire route system for SWA.


Alex



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4291 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 14):
Why'd they leave SFO in 2001 anyway?

It was expensive, Southwest only ran about 14 daily flights out of there, and they were prone for delays.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4188 times:

Well I can tell you guys they are being felt here in the concourse. It's incredible busy upstairs.They had a huge line this morning at the counter and the gates areas are jam-packed. I wish them the best of luck.

p.s. WN, can you give me a SFO-HOU flight please!

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineWN57787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4178 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 14):
Why'd they leave SFO in 2001 anyway?

ATC/ and Cost and Now See WN at PHL the Same Issues with ATC that SFO had. HUMMMMM


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5367 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 10):
Wish me luck! I have a double today, so that means I will experience SAN's entire first day as a 100+ flight station.

Hey Silver, how goes it? Things kinda rockin' and rollin' at Lindbergh today? How was the party? Have they figured out a way to stack 2 737s on top of each other there yet?

I have a feeling those SFO trips are very full and will remain so; way to go Southwest!  Smile

bb


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

So, WN finally back at SFO. Preemption in action?

I still attest to this day, that B6's very existence is testament to the fact that WN can indeed F-up a market assessment, just as horrifically as any other airline:
Pretty much everyone knew that, barring Concorde and a few LatAm arrivals, one could basically go bowling on Kennedy's runways in the morning and early afternoon. And it sat in the heart of an 18million-person metropolitan area, as the only major facility capable of any expansion worth a damn.

I can remember year after year in the 90s that JFK would quite publically court WN, or any LoCo, to set up shop. Nothing. WN ignored it, and then B6 ran with it.

My take would be that WN's trying their best to stifle of repeat thereof.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3803 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 17):
High Cost, ATC problems were a mess, and it was screwing up the entire route system for SWA.



Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 18):
It was expensive, Southwest only ran about 14 daily flights out of there, and they were prone for delays.



Quoting WN57787 (Reply 20):
ATC/ and Cost and Now See WN at PHL the Same Issues with ATC that SFO had.
HUMMMMM

Agreed. Since WN announced their return to SFO, the first question that invariably comes to mind is, does WN expect their SFO experience to be any different the "second time around" and, if so, on what basis? Or, have they reconsidered and decided that the burdensome cost and operational "baggage" that come with serving SFO is worth it after all?

Interestingly, I hear tell from a few ex-Southwest co-workers that one of the questions asked of any former WN employee who applies to return to WN is something like: "Since the job didn't seem to work for you before, on what basis do you believe it will work for you this time if you are hired?" I have the very same question for WN's choice to return to SFO after pulling the proverbial plug some six years ago.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4772 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3454 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
Hey Silver, how goes it? Things kinda rockin' and rollin' at Lindbergh today? How was the party? Have they figured out a way to stack 2 737s on top of each other there yet?

It's going ok so far. One shift down, one more to go. They used today as an opportunity to tweak the way we do a few things. It has kept me a little busier than normal.

We have already experienced ground stops for SFO...lol. That didn't take long...

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 23):
Interestingly, I hear tell from a few ex-Southwest co-workers that one of the questions asked of any former WN employee who applies to return to WN is something like: "Since the job didn't seem to work for you before, on what basis do you believe it will work for you this time if you are hired?" I have the very same question for WN's choice to return to SFO after pulling the proverbial plug some six years ago.

When it was announced we were returning to SFO, the folks here at SAN didn't exactly jump for joy. With flow problems already making a small appearance, many are asking that same question.

[Edited 2007-08-26 23:31:30]


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
25 OPNLguy : Operationally speaking: 1. FAA has since installed PRM equipment in conjunction with the navaids to 28L and 28R, which allows continued use of both r
26 Luvfa : PHL operations have been a challenge no doubt! However there are some differences. 1. In 2001 WN had 14 daily flights at a very delay-prone airport w
27 AS739X : Agreed with all except that when you get gates 21 and 23 (after AC moces Oct. 1), WN will be limited to those 4 gates for a while. All the other gate
28 AS739X : Understand all this is not the same Southwest from 2001. There are a lot more planes in the fleet. They have experience with PHL, which will help the
29 LACA773 : Congrats to WN for coming back to SFO! I too hope they do well. Does anyone know if there's a chance they'll add flights from SFO-BUR? I know many peo
30 Legacyins : As stated, it does not matter since they are common gates. Three more gates at the A-Terminal will open up by October.
31 Post contains images SANFan : Your scenario makes me a little jumpy here, ASSFO, especially considering Silver1's comment: With SAN now at 104 flights for 10 gates, there are many
32 AS739X : LAS could happen as well. I'm just using SAN-SFO as a example. WN has the fleet to handle ground delays more now then they did when they were in San
33 ScottB : SFO still has a mothballed terminal waiting for refurbishment should they ever find themselves short on gates. But I don't think it should be an issu
34 AS739X : The airport has not decided what they will be doing with the terminal. There are different plans on the table at this point. They have not ruled out
35 ScottB : I suspect that's exactly what they ought to do in the short term. One would expect a bit more urgency if the airport were really that concerned about
36 Joemac547 : On the subject of ramping up operations...... Southwest announced they will start 8 round trips daily to LAX from SFO on November 4th.
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