FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1074 times:
There is a fairly good chance that San Francisco to South America service will be inagurated with Boeing 747-400 aircraft. Look for more details in the new year!
Furthermore, keep your eyes and ears open for additional 747-400 orders (non "-X" version).
United_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7157 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 942 times:
Where abouts in South America (Rio?) 747-X would be nice!
United_Fan
'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 914 times:
I didn't read it, LOT. LUV, you should know my sources. I've revealed them many times before (BTW-unlike others, my sources aren't pilots/FA's/CSR's, etc.).
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 887 times:
Fly,
You know, you are supossed to mention your sources. For all we could know, you could be lying. I assume that you are becasue you havent mentioned them. I've found a bunch of things that you've said to be dead wrong, and this is another one.
DonC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 862 times:
I am not sure on info posted above. I know UA applied to fly LAX-GRU or LAX-EZE using B400 but was shot down by DOT in favor of CO and DL routes to Argentina. However, nothing would surprise me especially with an increase in int'l flying from SFO and its new int'l terminal.
SQA340 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 702 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 843 times:
FLY777UAL says,
"Furthermore, keep your eyes and ears open for additional 747-400 orders (non "-X" version)."
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 835 times:
I would like to point out how this flight in a 747 would cause United to bankrupt...If you dont mind.
First of all, 80%of United's SouthAmerica flights are done in 767s. If you can fill 205 seats, thats great. On some of the heaver routes, a 777 is used. Back before the days of teh 777, 747SPs were used on some routes. There is no market for those going from SFO to South America. What United has done is set up a nice little hub in MIA. That MIA hub is used to channel the people taking United to South America. That hub is just like SFO is the pacif gateway for United with LAX serving as a secondary pacific port too. Its much more cost effective to route passengers through MIA, and channel them down, then sending a 744 with 120 pax on it to EZE from SFO.
I think I know why Fly777Ual wrote this topic. Other to see how smart we are...there is a new terminal, and Shuttle creates a lot of pax traffic on the west. Pax can connect from Shuttle on to a South America flight. The problem is that the market is not that big. I could see a SFO to South America flight done twice a week in a 767, but not daily in a 744.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4385 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 834 times:
I am not sure if UAL needs the capacity of the 744 on those routes, but I will take FLY777UAL at his word. He is very credible source who is quite knowledgable.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 824 times:
Are you sure about that? He has been wrong with atleast 5 things, that he and I have discussed. I would not take his word on this, like I wouldnt take it on other views at United.
Fly,
Come in...are you there? Come on and tell us where you got your information.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4385 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 814 times:
I have heard from some sources that UAL is a potential 747-400LR customer. Possibly ordering 10 with 6 options or there abouts. Has anyone else heard this?
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
OH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1428 posts, RR: 22 Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 803 times:
747 service from SFO to S. America?!?!?
ROTFL!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Ohhh... thanks for the laugh
Seriously, you've got to be kidding me. VARIG operates flights from GIG & GRU to LAX with 767 or MD-11 equipment.
VARIG + United = Star Alliance partners = codesharing if you ask me.
There may be an untapped market from SFO to S. America, but it's certainly not enough to warrant 744 service. 763 or MD-11 sized aircraft maybe, but only on a 3x weekly flight at the most.
I think United would be better off routing passengers through LAX onto VARIG or VASP.
Moi,
Kai
Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
Johnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2469 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 794 times:
Why wouldn't SFO-South America flights work on 744? After all, SFO is a UA hub; who says it might not work to have SEL-SFO-GRU/EZE? or NRT-SFO-GRU? Think positively gentlemen! LAX doesn't deserve all the South American traffic!
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 788 times:
The thing is that there isnt a market for it, at least daily in a 744. Also, there are no plans for this route, that I know of. I usually keep track of these things as much as I can.
If a SFO to South America flight were to take place, it is possible in a 767 twice a week. I dont believe that UA is filling the 777s to South America, but I could be wrong. If those flights are not going out full, then definantly dont put a 747 on that.
SQA340 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 702 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 785 times:
The South America market for UA wouldnt fit the 744. If they are't used in ORD, JFK, MIA dont count the equipment to be used with the 744.
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 779 times:
LUV- I would really appreciate it if you could post those 5 or so items where I have been dead wrong...especially the ones that we've "discussed" (?).
Furthermore, I have not read any rules on here where I am required to reveal my sources. You, of all people, should be well aware of them, as I have told you many times. Be resourceful...use the "search" option.
Also, if you could see a daily SFO-MAN flight with a 777, then why can't you envision a daily SFO-South America flight?
SQA340- Just keep your eyes and ears open for new 747-400 orders.
Johnboy- You hit the nail right on the head in your second sentence.
SQA340 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 702 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 761 times:
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 764 times:
Fly,
First thing, you must post your source on this. Here is the rule:
Back all your opinions with facts.
If you have something to say, say it, but be sure to mention your sources. If you're speculating, be sure to make that very clear as well.
From the detailed rules page
Next,
You were wrong about United Shuttle expansion. I've checked. Before the UA+US merger United was gearing up for United Shuttle East. Destinations included ALB, ROC, LGA, EWR and other north eastern cities.
Next, You posted the non-reving prices. Those numbers were very incorrect. I've flown many times, and have always checked the prices of my flights, and the numbers that you posted were incorrect from the actual.
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 761 times:
UA Shuttle East? I've never said anything about that except for the fact that it won't happen. Did it happen? NO. The fact of the matter is that the East Coast "Shuttle" was to be a completely different setup from the United Shuttle out West.
I cut and pasted non-reving prices from an earlier post on the forum. Skynet seemd to back the prices up, too.
I would really like for you to continue, LUV.
Maybe e-mail would be better so as not to clog the forum from unnecessary and unwanted posts.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4385 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 754 times:
See, this is the kind of thing that is wrong with the forum. FLY777UAL came to us with some information. He is a credible source and doesn't post ridiculous info. He let us all in on what he believes United to be doing. Now, we attack him. He is sharing information with us. If we attack him, in the future he won't share with us and that would be a shame. I for one will be keeping my eye out for new 747-400 orders as that is my favorite airplane!
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 738 times:
Thank you for that lovely comment, Neo. And a happy New Year to you, too!
Neo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 734 times:
Yeah you too!!! I just like to cut to the trace!!!
25 CX747: I am not sucking up. What I am doing is telling others that FLY777UAL has been a forum member since the beginning and I don't see the need to attack h
26 Neo: I can't believe you didn't get his intention with this post! I'm not trying to attack anyone here, I'm just stating my opinion! I think he's fooling a
27 FLY777UAL: I've never 'cut to the trace' before! Could you explain, please? (I know...you were going to type 'cut to the chase'...) F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
28 DeltaSFO: You like to cut to the trace Neo? Really? Why don't you explain to the rest of us what it means to cut to the trace. I've heard of cutting to the chas
29 Neo: yeah, little mistake there. Clearing up! I frankly stated my opinion there, Now wheter you like it or not, is another thing. Still, i'm not declaring
31 SQA340: I would just like to say that all the info on UA I get is either throught my dad (Who is employed with UAL) or through our times (the company's magazi
32 FLY777UAL: I'll explain everything in detail to anyone who cares to read, just to prove that this is not as outlandish an idea as originally thought by many (inc
33 Neo: Delta SFO That's why UA codeshares with RG on its flight to South America. There is no chance of UA starting a non-stop service to S.America. I mean n
34 FLY777UAL: Like SQA340, I would also like to say that my information comes directly from the company, and also that I don't post bull just to get attention from
35 Neo: I understand your point now, I have to confess that i was unfair in my statements. I should've paid more attention to the posts. Therefore i would lik
36 FLY777UAL: Not a problem! You are well entitled to your opinions, which I very much valued and respected. There is a lot more to think about behind the decisions
37 Alexinwa: Boy oh boy, are we all hung over today or just testy? I like the ideas and thoughts posted here. I have posted things are here that I have "HEARD" Isn
38 ILUV767: I understand that the SFO to South America route may be a good idea, infact, I mentioned that it was becaue SFO is a Pacific hub, but I dont think tha
39 Gibberish: FLY777UAL, you deserve my respect. I can't prove if what you are saying is true or completely wrong. But from what I have read, you sound serious abou
40 FLY777UAL: LUV- This isn't speculation on my part! Just "Jimmy's"! F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
41 ILUV767: I'll have to give ole' Jimmy a call and talk to him about it Anyway...peace man. Happy Flying, David
42 Dellatorre: I´ve been through all the replies of this topic and realized that it was a total waste of time. Let´s try to think something more constructive!!!!!
43 Ladevale: Frankly, If the "best minds" at United are considering starting an SFO-South America route, then all I have to say is that Continental and American ha
44 DeltaSFO: I make this judgement based on what I read recently about Delta's chances of succeeding on the Santiago,Chile and Atlanta route. In Airliners' Magazin
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