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Viva Macau: Quite Possibly The Strangest Route  
User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

Just got back from a trip to Macau. I noticed the Viva Macau 767 sitting on the tarmac at the airport. I've done a little bit of reading on this airline and the routes the are trying to fly (emphasis on trying). I know Macau>Male is one of them (which was canceled for today).

First, this has got to be one of the lowest O&D routes in the world. Male is already a somewhat tough city to make it in as an airline especially if you are not coming from a major hub or population center. Granted yes it does bring in the tourist. But for Macau, with its small population, and...the fact that it is primarily (wait for it!) a tourist destination this route makes no sense to me. Why on earth would anyone want to try this route??? I personally see them being more successful flying to major markets and bringing in the gamblers, they are flying to Tokyo and some other major cities in Asia, but also a lot of touristy routes...

Can anyone shed any light on this airline? And just why exactly Macau>Male is offered???

Hope they are able to make a success out of their venture!


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User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

This is exactly what I always wondered... And sorry I can't really explain why on earth they have MFM-MLE!

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Thread starter):
Can anyone shed any light on this airline? And just why exactly Macau>Male is offered???

Yes, quite weird. Are there any connections from PUS to the MLE flight? Since there is no direct/non-stop service from HKG, they might also target people living there? I assume that the population of Macau of less then half a million people is quite small for a Maldives market.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7262 times:

Maybe since it was first a Portuguese Colony before it was Dutch then British? naah that was the worst example I could bring up.

Well I am sure some tour operator helps fill this route, PG in Thailand even flies out there, which seems awkward in my sense since people come to Thailand to enjoy its own beaches, why have to fly them back out to the middle of the Indian Ocean instead of Phuket or Samui etc.



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User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7215 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 3):
Maybe since it was first a Portuguese Colony before it was Dutch then British?

When was it Dutch and when was it British?


User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Chinese group tours have recently "discovered" the Maldives. Macau is an easy overland trip from Guangdong province, one of China's richest, from where I expect Viva Macau must get a large part of its custom.

User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

Exactly that´s the key !

The majority of passengers are from mainland China !!! I went on Viva Macau last may Jakarta - Macau and talking to the crew revealed that 80-90% of their customers are NOT from Macau.

The Macau market itself would never sustain sufficient loads i was told. Next to this even HK residents shuttle to MFM to save $$$$$ instead of using flights out of HKG. So, MFM is becoming more a sort of LCC airport for HK now (remember that Air Asia / Tiger Airways also fly out of MFM)



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 4):
When was it Dutch and when was it British?

Portuguese in 1558, Dutch in 1654, and British in 1887, then independence in 1965



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User currently offlineNA747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 7):
Portuguese in 1558, Dutch in 1654, and British in 1887, then independence in 1965

the subject is about Macau...not Malaysia.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6823 times:

Quoting NA747 (Reply 8):
Quoting Malaysia (Reply 7):
Portuguese in 1558, Dutch in 1654, and British in 1887, then independence in 1965

the subject is about Macau...not Malaysia.

Well then, you might then note that those dates do not correspond to Malaysia. Malaysia became independent in 1957... 2007 is their big 50 years Merdeka celebration year.

I believe those dates correspond to the Maledives, since the idea was brought up that both the Maledives and Macau were former Portuguese colonies, and so it does all make sense.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Quoting NA747 (Reply 8):
the subject is about Macau...not Malaysia.

I was talking about the MALDIVES!

hence the Male destination duh!



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

What about the Air Italy Verona-Hyderabad city pair? Isn't that weird?


[Edited 2007-08-27 01:02:00]


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5558 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 11):
Air Italy Verona-Hyderabad city pair? Isn't that weird?

It certainly sounds weird! Why on earth...?

Unless there's a large Hyderabad community living in that part of Italy, perhaps?

No idea...!


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

Quoting MHG (Reply 6):
MFM is becoming more a sort of LCC airport for HK now (remember that Air Asia / Tiger Airways also fly out of MFM)

That's exactly what I did, took Tiger Airways from Singapore!!! Not bad, and worth the 50% i saved versus flying into HKG.



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User currently offlineNA747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 10):
I was talking about the MALDIVES!

hence the Male destination duh!

I got confused reading the thread. My apologies.


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

I think the Male flight has been cancelled in favour of the new Sydney route. I could be mistaken though...

User currently offlineNeptunescar From Maldives, joined Dec 2003, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

here in maldives china is a major market during the low season and charter flights from china are very common. these stop dead from december to february when room rates go up, but now that maldives is so popular, there is really no low season anymore, and not sure what this holds for this market, as cheap is the name of the game, they prefer 3 star hotels. (because of this many hotels dont court this market at all)

btw, in 2004, a chartered jet arrived in male from china and the tour group was forced to fly to colombo because their reservation had been 'lost' so angry were the operators that at ITB the Chinese government officials there filed an official protest with the Maldivian govt, believing it to be a deliberate slight against them.



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Quoting Neptunescar (Reply 16):
here in maldives china is a major market during the low season and charter flights from china are very common. these stop dead from december to february when room rates go up, but now that maldives is so popular, there is really no low season anymore, and not sure what this holds for this market, as cheap is the name of the game, they prefer 3 star hotels. (because of this many hotels dont court this market at all)

btw, in 2004, a chartered jet arrived in male from china and the tour group was forced to fly to colombo because their reservation had been 'lost' so angry were the operators that at ITB the Chinese government officials there filed an official protest with the Maldivian govt, believing it to be a deliberate slight against them.

Really interesting story there! I guess it begs the question, why not fly the flight from Guangzhou or someplace else as opposed to Macau if it is mostly mainland Chinese tourists.

And by the way, Maldives was by far the best "rest and relax" vacation I have ever had in my entire life...gorgeous country, nicest people!



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User currently offlinePlane Holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting Neptunescar (Reply 16):
but now that maldives is so popular, there is really no low season anymore

must be like the North Pole, everybody wants to see it before it's too late, now with the global warming going on, they say Maldives are going to disappear within the next 50 years, that's why it's so popular


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

The maldives is also a popular destination from Australia, so some SYD feed as well..

User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 19):
The maldives is also a popular destination from Australia, so some SYD feed as well..

Yes but most of those passengers will connect through via SIN or KUL. MFM is too far out of the way.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 20):
Yes but most of those passengers will connect through via SIN or KUL. MFM is too far out of the way.

True, but if the price is right and people also want to see something different (ie macau), then i'm sure they would pick up some traffic..

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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 4):
Quoting Malaysia (Reply 3):
Maybe since it was first a Portuguese Colony before it was Dutch then British?

When was it Dutch and when was it British?

I think Malacca (in Malaysia) went through those three stages. Macau remained Portuguese until Dec 31, 1999.



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