Tancrede From Finland, joined May 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11698 times:
Helsingin Sanomat told today that last Saturday the Chinese police had to make an intervention in a Finnair plane at the Beijing airport, and in the process to take into custody 10 Spanish passengers. The reason of this drama was the beginning of a "riot" due to an almost nine hours delay because of technical problems (an hydraulically leak from one engine). The passengers got nervous, it seems that the air conditioner was not working properly, so much that a Spanish woman beat a F/A. Then the police had to take action.
I wonder what type of aircraft was it.
Below the link to the article, sorry but in Finnish
Analog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11622 times:
Quoting Tancrede (Thread starter): nine hours delay because of technical problems (an hydraulically leak from one engine). The passengers got nervous, it seems that the air conditioner was not working properly, so much that a Spanish woman beat a F/A.
Quoting Teme82 (Reply 2): Yeah I've read fellow spotters view of the drama. He was on that flight and the Spanish passengers were acting very badly.
Locked in for 9 hours w/o aircon in Beijing? Doesn't excuse violence, but man, I'd probably be acting badly at that point.
Bjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 327 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11570 times:
Why not disembark? I've been stuck with LX on NBO-ZRH but we left the aircraft and could drink beer at some small bar for six hours until 3AM. I sat next to rapper Sean Paul and his crew
Analog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11505 times:
Now, they don't do that in Europe. Unlike the US, if time's up, the captain will simply not leave gate. You don't have airline management who have the plane towed to a parking position waiting for mx, all the while the crew cannot physically leave the plane.
Anyways, it's a nasty story. Pax discomfort is very much in order after 3 hours w/o aircon, abuse however is absolutely out of order, and it serves the unruly pax right that they've been taken into custody. I hope Chinese authorities prosecute them to set a standard. People must understand that in tough situations it's everyone's duty to stay cool, and inspire others to do so too.
I was on an LH flight out of EWR recently, and we had a 3 hour delay after boarding, but thank heavens we had aircon working all right. Still, many passengers became very irritated, and initiated verbal abuse of other pax and crew. It was absolutely disgusting.
"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
Analog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11336 times:
Quoting EHHO (Reply 10): People must understand that in tough situations it's everyone's duty to stay cool,
Quoting EHHO (Reply 10): and it serves the unruly pax right that they've been taken into custody.
What's the story? Were people taken into custody just for being unruly, or for striking a FA?
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11320 times:
Hi!
Well, things like that happen....I was once stuck inside a UA 777 at IAD for about the same time!!! But people behaved quite cool during all that process, but still I could feel a bit of tension building up, that's very natural....the F/A's kept serving paid snacks and water and now you can guess what happen after we left...there was no more drinks or paid snacks during all the flight from IAD to LAX!!! I also questioned myself why we didn't un-board the plane....we could have stayed in the terminal for a while, we could had something to eat and drink and when the plane was ready we could have returned again. Now regarding the spanish passengers???? Well those guys are special!!! They "boil in few water"....that's why they're also called "furia latina" ( latin fury...eh!eh!eh! ) and I tell you, when they start speaking LOUD spanish it can be overwhelming! One day I was flying from KIX to AMS in a KL 744 and there was a huge group of spanish coming on the plane....after some time, they started to chat between them on the aisle and the dutch F/A's wanted to work and they couldn't efficiently....they had to always ask them to seat down and I was watching that and feeling sorry for them...it was quite hectic!!! In the end when I was leaving I comment that with one of the troubled F/A's - "You had a hell of a time down there right???" - and she eyeballed me almost getting sick! Another time, I was also in a KL flight, this time an AMS/MAD flight back to 1981, a DC-9-15, and the Captain of the plane was very nice, so before we landed he had the cockpit door open so those of us that were in the front of the plane could slide to the side and actually could see the landing....until one "spaniard" had the idea to unfasten is seat belt and stand-up to have a "better" view! This was maybe 2 or 3 minutes before we landed....then I see an F/A running on the aisle and give a big burst to that guy and immediately the cockpit door was slammed and closed!!!
Regards
EHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11204 times:
Quoting Analog (Reply 13): just for being unruly, or for striking a FA
Sorry about being unclear, unruly means "not conforming to rule, disobedient". Basically anything from refusing to follow crew orders to assault is "being unruly", because you don't conform to the rules. I think that in all such cases intervention by law enforcement is permissible.
"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5392 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11074 times:
Quoting EHHO (Reply 10): I hope Chinese authorities prosecute them to set a standard.
Musapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1002 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10927 times:
Quoting EHHO (Reply 10): I was on an LH flight out of EWR recently, and we had a 3 hour delay after boarding, but thank heavens we had aircon working all right. Still, many passengers became very irritated, and initiated verbal abuse of other pax and crew. It was absolutely disgusting.
So whats the story for this? Was it weather delay or mechanical delay? I also feel the same, people should be abuse crew in case of a delay, they are just doing their jobs.
Hehe, well I said prosecute, not persecute Actually, the Chinese are very reasonable towards foreigners, unless it's a serious offense. I don't think that the pax involved should suffer, but a few hours of arrest, a fine, and a diplomatic complaint note to their embassy will do the trick, together with allround condemnation here on A.net and elsewhere.
We had a weather delay. Actually, the three hours were not that bad considering it was the infamous snowstorm on Valentine's Day this year. Most flights from EWR were cancelled that day.
"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
Bok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9894 times:
Amazing how immature and naive some passengers can be. It is certainly not the F/As fault. They don't want to be on the plane either in those conditions. Grow up. I understand conditions were bad, but nothing warrants that behavior.
FlyDekker From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9615 times:
While I don't condone any kind of bad/unruly behaviour or any kind of violence and I don't approve of what happened here, the question does arise as to how long one can be detained.
Finnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8362 times:
Quoting Swiftski (Reply 3): More speifically on 19th Aug (last Sunday) it was OH-LGB. Flight time HEL-PEK 7h40. One of the shorter EU-Far East legs.
Quoting Swiftski (Reply 5): Sorry, I must have misread. If it was PEK-HEL on 19th Aug then it was OH-LGD, AY52, 8hr20
This episode was on 25th Aug and it was OH-LGB. And flightime PEK-HEL was 7h29min.
25 Swiftski: I didnt read the article as I don't speak Finnish. I assumed "last Sunday" meant 19th, rather than 25th, aka "yesterday". 8hr 20 schedule PEK-HEL. No
26 Analog: FAs, whether they like it or not, are the airline's representatives to the passengers. They represent the airline. When locked in an aircraft with FA
27 Prebennorholm: Incidentally we had very much the same type of incident here in Denmark. But it was a farmer treating his pigs the same way as Finnair treated their c
28 Airways1: Can the Chinese authorities do that? I mean, if the incident happened on board the Finnair plane, doesn't this come under Finnish legal jurisdiction?
29 Bok269: Exactly. Not to mention, if the F/A's explain the problem to the pax, there is nothing they can do. Continuing to yell at and harass the F/As is not
30 EFCar98: That evening UA 777 from IAD to LAX is almost always delayed during the summer months because of heavy departure waits during peak evening hours. I h
31 EHHO: Coincidentally, there is another thread in CivAv on this now. Regarding this case: both China and Finland have jurisdiction, and maybe Spain also.
32 Mighluss: JAJAJAJAJA! that's me! is something I do it without realising... I had the plasure to go in one of their MD11 this august, and have to say that crew
33 JGPH1A: In these circumstances, why don't they just disembark the passengers ? There should just be a rule that says if the pax have been embarked for more th
34 Killjoy: I agree that being an ass shouldn't be illegal, but suggesting that it's to be expected is going a bit far. The conditions can't have been that bad.
35 Mighluss: Oh well... Feeling proud about being Spanish... Some more people in Finnland will start saying that "Europe start at the Pyrenees" thing.
36 Killjoy: If we judged countries based on the behavior of the average tourist, we'd have fought World War 3 years ago
37 Prebennorholm: Of course the behavior of those Spanish passengers cannot be excused. But like in so many other incidents here is more than one fault. How can a Finn
38 Hmmmm...: What the hell are 10 unruly Spaniards doing on a Finnish plane in China? Doesn't Iberia fly to China? Or do they just have a thing for blonde FAs? Is
39 Analog: I don't fly that much, but even I have been on aircraft that are delayed waiting for parts/repair. Whether it was known that the repair was needed be
40 Mighluss: Finnair was promoting Asia in Spain this summer... In fact, almost half of my MD11 to DEL was Spanish, An then asking people here and there, wich com
41 Teme82: Yes we Finns are passive people and we have good patience. Now all this will change when we drink some Vodka. That's why F/A's didn't serve any alcoh
42 ChrisMUC: Maybe you read killjoy's post again, then you don't have to assume any more.
43 Mighluss: It finally made the news in Spain... quite funny discussions going on there. People is talking about one of the people who had to stay on ground (a Po
44 Killjoy: Now that was really unprofessional. You'd think an airline captain could deal with events like these without coming down to the passengers' level. Co
45 Aisak: Because for the average Spanish guy, a Dash8-Q400 is older and less safe than a Boeing 747... what could you expect about journalists?
46 Mighluss: Yes... it seems that AY downgraded to DC10 ... The article is in the passengers side, in fact is relating the direct testimony of the two passengers,
47 FunFlying: Is it just me or does the picture (the finger) look a bit fake.. I really don't think a Finnair captain would do that. And about the article.. the DC-
48 Teme82: here's some pictures of the finger in Finnish forums... looks like fake ... http://www.flightforum.fi/forum/inde...pic,69161.msg779071.html#msg779071
49 Killjoy: Even if it isn't fake, I don't think passengers should take it too seriously. It's really obvious that the others were harassing him and only posted h
50 Mighluss: Tried to say that someone got offended by that expression... it started quite a long semanthic discussion! Let's see if something more is said... I re
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Actually, the Chinese are very reasonable towards foreigners, unless it's a serious offense. I don't think that the pax involved should suffer, but a few hours of arrest, a fine, and a diplomatic complaint note to their embassy will do the trick, together with allround condemnation here on A.net and elsewhere.
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