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Boeing A340 Leased By Iberia From Ilfc  
User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9729 times:

Udvar-Hazy is so unhappy with Airbus these days that he is decided to rename the planes  Smile
Unfortunate cut and paste mistake.
http://209.51.142.90/~ilfc01/viewArticle.php?id=144

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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9678 times:

Quoting Breiz (Thread starter):

So the aircraft involved is a former AC A340-313 - C-FTNQ.


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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9519 times:

Any clue about new routes for IB?

Besides the aditional 3xweek MAD-BOG starting in January, no new long haul announced yet.

Have heard rumours about DFW, LAX, MTY, CLO (gone away with the increase on BOG).



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

I'm surprised that AC would get rid of an aircraft they just painted, did they reject the lease on it or what?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30989 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9020 times:
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Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
I'm surprised that AC would get rid of an aircraft they just painted, did they reject the lease on it or what?

They are starting to receive their replacement 77Ls and 77Ws, so the A340s are starting to be phased out.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
I'm surprised that AC would get rid of an aircraft they just painted, did they reject the lease on it or what?

They are starting to receive their replacement 77Ls and 77Ws, so the A340s are starting to be phased out.

Aircraft are painted on a set schedule, usually for corrosion control. Each airline is different, since they have their homes in different climates.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 2):
Any clue about new routes for IB?

Have heard rumours about DFW, LAX, MTY, CLO (gone away with the increase on BOG).

I have not heard of IB even thinking of DFW service.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

Strangly , this frame (CN 88) was allocated to Iberia by Airbus , before delivery , and went to ILFC / ACA instead........

User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
I have not heard of IB even thinking of DFW service.

IB is still looking for new US gateways, they chose IAD and BOS this year, DFW and/or LAX will be next, it's not a matter of if but when, might be next year or a few years down the road.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8504 times:

And also, will that A340 be operated directly by IB or will it be operated for IB by Audeli?

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

I would not be surprised if more Floridia cities are added.

Hunter



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User currently offlineEmbajador3 From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

The operation of all remaining 757s and A340s will be taken by IB mainline crew. The contract with Audeli (Gestair) will come to an end shortly.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
And also, will that A340 be operated directly by IB or will it be operated for IB by Audeli?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
I would not be surprised if more Floridia cities are added.

Is there a market for that? I mean, the only big market in Florida IB has is MIA, which has in fact suffered from one cutback of sorts, which was the closure of the MIA hub in 2004. The MIA hub was operated by IB for connecting to destinations in Central America, but with the US demanding transit visas for passengers from non-visa waiver countries, they decided to close the MIA hub in favour of the direct flights to Central America that are now being operated.

If they want to operate more leisurely routes like MCO or SFB, or if they want to restart that feeder service they used to have with the MIA hub but from FLL or TPA (with subsequent new flights out of MAD), they could, but then again, IB is an airline more oriented to business passengers, which cannot magically make US immigration rules for non-visa waiver PAX disappear for a new feeder service to and from the US, and unless they can find a market, more flights to other Florida cities are probably out of the question. Feeder flights can be done nowadays through codesharing with AA and maybe also TA, and for leisure flights, UX and A7 could make it happen.

Quoting Embajador3 (Reply 10):
The operation of all remaining 757s and A340s will be taken by IB mainline crew. The contract with Audeli (Gestair) will come to an end shortly.

Thanks. How long did that contract even run?


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

I know that Iberia was looking for two more A340-600s to lease but I'm guessing they can't find any so instead are going for more A340-300s.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
I would not be surprised if more Floridia cities are added.

I don't see any other destination in Florida that Iberia would be interested. Miami does quite well.



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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1719 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

By the way, the mistake has been corrected in the news release  Wink

User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 13):
By the way, the mistake has been corrected in the news release

Not over here!

Anyone know if it will receive the full IB paint or run around on a hybrid for a while?

BTW:

Quoting Embajador3 (Reply 10):
The operation of all remaining 757s and A340s will be taken by IB mainline crew. The contract with Audeli (Gestair) will come to an end shortly.

So does this mean that EC-IDF and EC-IIH will return to IB mainline crew? I recall reading somwhere that these were only used on the HAV route (or at least one) because it was an Audeli crew/route destintation. I never saw IDF in SJO since IB re-started flights with the 343 back in 2004 and IIH only once. According to Airfleets, IIH went to Audeli the 7th of June 2006 while IDF went the 28th of June 2006.

EC-GPB was also with Audeli but its back to IB since 30/5/2007 and I've seen it twice in July & August at SJO.

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Tomas.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 14):
Anyone know if it will receive the full IB paint or run around on a hybrid for a while?

I'm sure the aircraft will be painted into full Iberia colors.

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 14):
So does this mean that EC-IDF and EC-IIH will return to IB mainline crew?

I believe both or one of the A340-300 aircraft that had been moved over to Audeli had been returned to Iberia crew when EC-KCL arrived? However I'm sure EC-IDF, EC-IIH, and even EC-KCL will be moved over the to mainline crew.

Does anyone know how long those remaining 2 757-200s will stay in the fleet?



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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 7):
DFW and/or LAX will be next, it's not a matter of if but when, might be next year or a few years down the road.

It would be nice to get some service to Spain from LAX, instead of having a god awful connection in one of the U.S. or european Mega hubs of hell. It probably wont happen as european airlines seem to pass over LAX, when it comes to expansion or increasing frequencies. I still think IB could do it profitably. Good news about the plane, and funny mistake. I Hope LAX is next...one can wish.  Smile


User currently offlineIcaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

This A-343 and also all 3 343s (EC-IDF, EC-IIH and EC-KCL) will be flown by Audeli cockpit crew and IB cabin crew as of 1st September. It comes as an agreement reached by Iberia Cabin Crew and the company.
If such an agreement was made with the pilots we might see the whole operation return to Iberia, but not before.
Four new A346 have been bought with two more options with deliveries starting next fall 2008.

Hope it helps


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 16):
It probably wont happen as european airlines seem to pass over LAX

Why do you think so?, LAX is served by AF, KL, LH, LX, BA, VS, Aeroflot and some others I'm missing,



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User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Quoting Embajador3 (Reply 10):
The operation of all remaining 757s and A340s will be taken by IB mainline crew. The contract with Audeli (Gestair) will come to an end shortly.

Of course you may know something which is no public yet but I don't see IB-Gestair agreement end.

-) The plan was to out-source all the 757 so IB only had to fly 320-series....(MDs are on their way out too) -> They got it.
-) Air Atlanta lease for the 2 747-400 ended.... -> IB handed 2 340-300 to Audeli to do the very same flying. (HAV and TFN)
-) 757 is an ideal plane for air shuttle service but with high speed train entering service in December, the air shuttle service will be flown by smaller planes. ->757s no longer needed
-) With 757 retired from IB service, IB had some spare out-sourcing capacity -> 1 more 340-300 to Audeli (from AF) to do 3 routes (HAV GIG and SDQ) where IB planes have to be flown with 3 flight crew members and Audeli only needed 2.
-) By winter timetable there was only 1 757 planned to be servicing IB flights, although this may change. But that will allow IB managment to out-source up to 5x 340-300 to Audeli, or whoever for that matter, to fly to Central America destinations where 3 IB crew members are required but Audeli can fly with 2.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

So are they going to take some A380s at some point?

User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
So are they going to take some A380s at some point?

Doesn't seem likely at this point, it seems like A346's in the near future and A350 (or B787's) on the long term are the ones that fits better their model.

Although things could change, who knows?



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting Breiz (Thread starter):
Udvar-Hazy is so unhappy with Airbus these days that he is decided to rename the planes Smile

But they got it right in the main text.

Reminds me of some people speaking of a "Boeing MD-11".


User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 18):
Why do you think so?, LAX is served by AF, KL, LH, NEW: Swiss International Airlines (Switzerland)">LX, BA, VS, Aeroflot and some others I'm missing,

I mean, LAX hasnt recieved a NEW european carrier in quite sometime, IB i think used to fly a long time ago, as did severl other european airlines that left. None have looked seriously at returning to LAX, probably because lack of demand, although i really do think IB could make it to LAX.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting Icaro (Reply 17):
Four new A346 have been bought with two more options with deliveries starting next fall 2008.

I didn't know about this but it's very good news!



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