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AA To Start JFK-BCN, JFK-MXP  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Posted (7 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12184 times:

American will announce daily non-stop service between JFK and Barcelona and JFK and Milan this week, possibly as early as today. The flights will begin 2 May 2008 with 767-300ER service. In addition, American Airlines is considering linking Barcelona and Milan to Miami, and those flights would begin around November 2008 if approved (I wouldn't hold my breath for them to start that soon, though).

[Edited 2007-08-27 17:57:44]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12170 times:

Nevermind, PR is already out:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...es/prnewswire/LAM03527082007-1.htm



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12146 times:

Routes announced already being discussed in this thread.
AA JFK Dedication/Announcements(?) (by QQflyboy Aug 27 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1137 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11859 times:

It was about time for AA to take full advantage of their new terminal at JFK....let's hope they open more routes. Would be nice to get MXP/BCN out of MIA but MIA-Europe is usually a low-yield seasonal tourist market maybe except for LHR. I believe AA would open additional routes to Latin Am. out of MIA rather than to Europe. MIA airport will soon be more capacity constrained for AA when Terminal A shuts down for 2 years next NOV/07.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7583 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11794 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 3):
It was about time for AA to take full advantage of their new terminal at JFK....let's hope they open more routes. Would be nice to get MXP/BCN out of MIA but MIA-Europe is usually a low-yield seasonal tourist market maybe except for LHR.

I would see MIA-BCN being a distinct possibility, but not MXP. AZ has that covered and I dont think MIA could support two services to MXP. Maybe MIA-FCO could work. MIA has the least service to Europe of any of AA's big international Hubs (DFW, MIA, ORD, JFK), but in terms of growth I would expect that MIA recieve another service to Europe and BCN seems like a good choice. But I dont see them going crazy adding flights from MIA-Europe. One (maybe two) in the foreseable future. At some point I expect AA to add another destination to Europe from DFW as well (probably MAD).

One thing that does catch my attention is that MIA and DFW both seem to have specific European service, such as MIA-MAD which is the only gateway AA serves MAD from, and DFW-FRA which is appearently important enough to recieve one of AA's prized 777's.



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11606 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
such as MIA-MAD which is the only gateway AA serves MAD from

Remember they codeshare with IB on MAD-JFK and MAD-ORD

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
The flights will begin 2 May 2008 with 767-300ER service

From where are they getting the a/c's?



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11583 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Remember they codeshare with IB on MAD-JFK and MAD-ORD

Will AA codeshare with IB on their new MAD-BOS services; makes sense considering that AA has a small operation there.

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7583 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11577 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Remember they codeshare with IB on MAD-JFK and MAD-ORD

But they also codeshare from MIA-MAD on IB. The route has a very high demand so AA can Codeshare and use its own metal from MIA-MAD and it makes sense.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11521 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 3):
Would be nice to get MXP/BCN out of MIA but MIA-Europe is usually a low-yield seasonal tourist market maybe except for LHR

That isn't entirely true. Miami - Southern Europe has much higher yield than Miami-Northern Europe. There are numerous business and cultural connections between Latin America, Miami and Spain/Portugal/Italy. Miami is well located for European businesses to open offices serving the region.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 3):
I believe AA would open additional routes to Latin Am. out of MIA rather than to Europe.

We'll see both. As Mark has said here before American is looking to add a second daily Miami-Heathrow flight, which would give it four daily flights to Europe, the same number that Dallas will have on American come 2008.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
I would see MIA-BCN being a distinct possibility, but not MXP.

Both are distinct possibilities. With all of Alitalia's problems, who knows if they will keep the Miami flight. Should Alitalia withdraw its Miami flight, it would be foolish for American to not fill in the void, particularly with the connections American offers through Miami to Latin America.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
Maybe MIA-FCO could work.

Rome-Miami would be a lower yielding market. Though Rome is the capital, beyond that there are few links beyond tourist traffic. The business with the meaningful connections is in Milan.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
MIA has the least service to Europe of any of AA's big international Hubs (DFW, MIA, ORD, JFK), but in terms of growth I would expect that MIA recieve another service to Europe and BCN seems like a good choice.

That will change. Dallas will drop to four daily flights with Dallas-Zürich being cut, leaving two daily flights to London, one to Paris and one to Frankfurt.

Miami on the other hand will probably get an additional Heathrow flight and more flights to Madrid once ATI is granted to American and Iberia, along with the long rumored service to Brussels.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7583 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11480 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 8):
That will change. Dallas will drop to four daily flights with Dallas-Zürich being cut, leaving two daily flights to London, one to Paris and one to Frankfurt.

Miami on the other hand will probably get an additional Heathrow flight and more flights to Madrid once ATI is granted to American and Iberia, along with the long rumored service to Brussels.

Im sure of that. I could see MIA getting service to BCN, maybe BRU, and also additional flights to LHR and MAD. I think DFW will probably get service to MAD at some point, but Im not sure when. Other than MAD (and possibly BRU) I cant think of a destination in Europe that would be viable for AA with DFW. I know the flights that DFW currently has to Europe preform very well, but im not sure how many more would.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11431 times:

Schedule out:


AA152 JFK1905 - 0910+1BCN
AA151 BCN1130 - 1405JFK

AA198 JFK1745 - 0810+1MXP
AA199 MXP1035 - 1340JFK



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User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1418 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11339 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 10):
Schedule out:


AA152 JFK1905 - 0910+1BCN
AA151 BCN1130 - 1405JFK

AA198 JFK1745 - 0810+1MXP
AA199 MXP1035 - 1340JFK

Oh Boy.....2 more departures to add to the JFK evening rush........


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11332 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
From where are they getting the a/c's?

We might see AA downgrade B763 service on the Hawaii route to B757's.

Drew



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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 11280 times:

There's also a second frequency to STN.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 3):
Would be nice to get MXP/BCN out of MIA but MIA-Europe is usually a low-yield seasonal tourist market maybe except for LHR.

No, it isn't. Miami-Northern Europe (Germany, the Netherlands, Scandanavia, etc.) is typically low yielding tourist traffic. Miami-Southern Europe, especially to Italy and Spain, is the complete opposite. There is a lot of high-yielding business traffic, as South Florida's business ties to Europe are strongest with Spain and Italy.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
I would see MIA-BCN being a distinct possibility, but not MXP. AZ has that covered and I dont think MIA could support two services to MXP. Maybe MIA-FCO could work.

Agreed. I think AA would have a difficult time stealing business traffic away from Alitalia, especially because most of the traffic is Italy-originating. The only way I imagine AA actually flying MIA-MXP is if Alitalia actually were to go under, which I don't see happening.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
I would expect that MIA recieve another service to Europe and BCN seems like a good choice.

My money is on MIA-BCN by summer 2009. The talk of it has really escalated lately, along with either upgrading MIA-MAD to a 772 or adding a second daily MIA-MAD. With IB/AA soon to have ATI, they will be taking huge advantage of these two large hubs. By 2010-11 timeframe, I could easily imagine five daily Miami-Spain hubs, four to Madrid (2x AA/2x IB) and one to Barcelona.

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 8):
Rome-Miami would be a lower yielding market. Though Rome is the capital, beyond that there are few links beyond tourist traffic. The business with the meaningful connections is in Milan.

Correct, the business connections are to Milan. What AA could tap into with Miami-Rome is Rome-Latin America traffic. Rome is one of the largest South America-Europe travel markets (and, if I am not mistaken, it is the second largest after Madrid when you don't include Brazil).

Quoting KL808 (Reply 12):
We might see AA downgrade B763 service on the Hawaii route to B757's.

We will, most likely. Only a daily 763 each on DFW-HNL, DFW-OGG, and ORD-HNL is the plan. Also, we will see 763s flying to Heathrow, which will increase aircraft usage flexibility. We are also seeing more daylight flights that are increasing utilization. This winter, for example, MIA-GRU will have a daylight 772 flight.



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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 11004 times:

Are these routes planned to be seasonal or year round, with winter reductions in frequencies? I don't believe either will last. Unless AA is betting on AZ's collapse, there is significant capacity in the JFK-MXP market, with AZ and DL, and CO and AZ from EWR. As for BCN, Delta fly it once daily with a 763. I think it is to plug the cruise market from BCN. If the US economy turns sour, you can bet AA will pull the plug on these routes.

User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1186 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10978 times:

AA still does have some holes in the JFK-Europe market, namely FRA, AMS, and MAN - I'm guessing they don't currently fly to these cities due to them already being well served by DL, CO, and the Europe carriers. But adding these routes, in addition to the new BCN, MXP, and 2-daily STN routes is a good start to making JFK a true European gateway airport for AA along w/ ORD. Glad to see AA has finally awakened after resting on its laurels while DL expanded their JFK-Europe operation.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10951 times:

Hmm, going head to head with Delta...


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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10870 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Correct, the business connections are to Milan. What AA could tap into with Miami-Rome is Rome-Latin America traffic. Rome is one of the largest South America-Europe travel markets (and, if I am not mistaken, it is the second largest after Madrid when you don't include Brazil).

It will be tough for AA or MIA to compete for in transit traffic to Europe given very real issue of growing disdain of latin Americna and Europena travelers for the hassles of transiting the US and especially MIA as a very inconvenient airport.

Most major latin American cities already either have direct service to Italy or easy connections via European or even Canadian carriers.

Latin american transit traffic via US to Europe or Asia will be a dying market in years to come.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10811 times:

Quoting 747fan (Reply 16):
AA still does have some holes in the JFK-Europe market, namely FRA, AMS, and MAN -

At least in the case of AMS, AA is the only US legacy that doesn't serve it. And that's probably ok, given NW's significant number of flights there, as well as the existing competition at AA hubs (for instance, UA and KL at ORD, DL/CO/KL at NYC, etc.).

As mentioned, AA has tried and failed on JFK-FRA multiple times before.

In the case of MAN, the market is well-covered by DL, CO, and BA.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10507 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 18):
Latin american transit traffic via US to Europe or Asia will be a dying market in years to come.

I think you will be shown to be wrong. There are still many, many O&Ds that are growing very fast and there simply won't be the direct flights to connect them. The US airlines have very well developed hub and spoke systems and they are very well designed to compete for international flow traffic. AA, CO, and DL all carry significant amounts of traffic via DFW, IAH, and ATL respectively and the amount is growing, not shrinking. Relaxation of visa controls will only help US carriers.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10473 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 18):
It will be tough for AA or MIA to compete for in transit traffic to Europe given very real issue of growing disdain of latin Americna and Europena travelers for the hassles of transiting the US and especially MIA as a very inconvenient airport.

Most major latin American cities already either have direct service to Italy or easy connections via European or even Canadian carriers.

Latin american transit traffic via US to Europe or Asia will be a dying market in years to come.

I agree with you on this one. This of course, will hurt MIA and their service to Europe.


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10452 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 18):
It will be tough for AA or MIA to compete for in transit traffic to Europe given very real issue of growing disdain of latin Americna and Europena travelers for the hassles of transiting the US and especially MIA as a very inconvenient airport.

And transiting through CCS is a better option? I know you didn't limit it to Venezuela, but with the exception of PTY and maybe MEX, I don't think Latin American airports are set up to handle connecting traffic as US airports are (nor do I see CM, MX or AM becoming big European players). There is some non-stop service from a few Latin American airports, but nowhere near the volume that is available from the US, and except for a few keys airports, MAD, CDG, LHR, FCO, FRA, the traffic to support service to secondary airports just isn't there.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7583 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10399 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 20):
I think you will be shown to be wrong. There are still many, many O&Ds that are growing very fast and there simply won't be the direct flights to connect them. The US airlines have very well developed hub and spoke systems and they are very well designed to compete for international flow traffic. AA, CO, and DL all carry significant amounts of traffic via DFW, IAH, and ATL respectively and the amount is growing, not shrinking. Relaxation of visa controls will only help US carriers.



Quoting B752OS (Reply 21):
I agree with you on this one. This of course, will hurt MIA and their service to Europe.

I personally think that traffic to Asia from Latin America will continue to grow and go through the US. ATL, DFW, IAH, and NYC are the prefered transit points. Not to mention ATL, DFW, and IAH are the fastest growing areas of the United States and traffic from these areas is increasing every year to all destinations. While this isnt the only factor it doesnt hurt. I for one cant wait to see more Texas-Asia nonstop service.

As for traffic from Latin America to Europe I think it will either remain the same or slowly decrease from larger markets that have nonstop options to Europe. As for smaller markets with service to MIA, MIA still remains a very viable option. However I dont think that MIA will have much trouble filling their planes and making money for markets in Southern Europe.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10296 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 18):

It will be tough for AA or MIA to compete for in transit traffic to Europe given very real issue of growing disdain of latin Americna and Europena travelers for the hassles of transiting the US and especially MIA as a very inconvenient airport.

In transit traffic is actually up quite a bit in the past two years, while Argentina and Brazil, once they get passports up to US standards, now qualify for transit without visa.

Also, another place where planes are coming from is possibly Boston. While I have not heard anything regarding the official status, given this announcement and AA's lack of long-haul aircraft, it might be safe to assume Boston-Paris is gone (then again, we hear this often). Boston-Manchester might not resume, which frees up a 757 that can take a 763s place somewhere. Given the poor performance of BOS-MAN as of late, it would make sense for it to end.



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25 AA767400 : Always such a positive light. I bet if CO announced something similar you would not be making such pessimistic remarks.
26 ContinentalEWR : American announced it would fly JFK-BCN several years ago, when it launched seasonal nonstop JFK-FCO service. The route never materialized. I hope AA
27 LAXdude1023 : I agree. I think BOS-Europe services will be down to BOS-LHR 10x or so a week when AA is through with it. I think BOS-CDG will be gone before too lon
28 MAH4546 : Neither did NW's SEA-KIX, DL's BOS-FCO, and a bunch of other routes. It was announced at a time when long-haul traffic had a significant decrease in
29 B752OS : No doubt AA has better Europe backing thanks to IB. But both CO and DL have larger networks out of NYC than does AA. So from a domestic standpoint, t
30 MAH4546 : AA carries a significant amount more traffic into/out of New York City than Delta does. They are the largest airline at LaGuardia, the second largest
31 N276AASTT : And rightfully so! As a AA ramper who has worked that flight many a time, 777's are the only a/c that could/would work on that route. The flight goes
32 Sflaflight : I disagree with the MIA-MXP comments. I don't think it's so crazy. Remember that Miami is becoming less and less seasonal these days with Europeans. T
33 LAXdude1023 : I dont think AA will completely cut of BOS-Europe services. What I said was that I think it will come to a point where AA is flying BOS-LHR 10-14x a
34 Post contains images UPPERDECKFAN : I'm not aware of the posibility of waiving visa requirements only for transit pax's So what do you mean? visa waiver for Brazil and Argentina? And al
35 MAH4546 : I agree, I don't think AA will start it as long as Alitalia pulls out, and given how Miami-Milan is one of few profitable routes in Alitalia's long-h
36 Titiserra : Good for BCN.. With this flight Bcn will have direct Fligths to EWR with CO, PHL with US and JFK and ATL with DL if I'm not wrong. At least we don't h
37 SQ773 : I wonder if 3 flights a day out of BCN to NYC is too much for the BCN market...although much of the traffic won´t be O&D, I think we might see overca
38 Aisak : You don't have to. You can go with Delta to JFK and ATL, Continental to EWR, US airways to PHL and via CDG, AMS, LHR, LGW, BRU, FRA, MUC with several
39 Commavia : It's important to remember that the BCN market (like the entire Spanish aviation market) is growing ... fast. BCN has seen lots and lots of new air s
40 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : AA is dropping DFW-ZRH, there is one extra plane. I can guarantee it's coming form a Hawaii Run. Also, dont they use a 763 from LAX to SJU?? I suspect
41 UPPERDECKFAN : That is the fact that will lift this flight over their competitors (CO,DL), I can say 99% of the people who uses MAD-BCN shuttle are IB frequent flye
42 CayMan : Why would you think there will be any move to "relax" visa controls. In fact all signs point to ever tightening visa controls. That is the very probl
43 747fan : I know FRA is a major business destination in Europe, but what is it that makes the flight successful enough to warrant the pax and cargo capacity of
44 WA707atMSP : NW did fly SEA-KIX for several years in the late 1990s. The flight continued on to either KUL or KHH, depending on the day. It was discontinued in 20
45 MAH4546 : No, they don't. In fact, effective immediately, 12 new countries, including Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay, qualify for visa waivers, effective them
46 Post contains links DL777LAX : Quoting 747fan (Reply 43): FRA isn't nearly as big of a city or tourist attraction as Paris, London, Rome, etc. or even Berlin in Germany so could it
47 Humberside : Will there be any connections onto Click Air because IB mainline destinations from BCN are in single figures now (although there is Air Nostrum too h
48 LAXdude1023 : The question remains though, what is it about DFW-FRA (more so than a dozen other international city pairs) that AA finds appealing enough to use one
49 DL777LAX : The strangest of routes can make the most money. I remember hearing that LOS-LHR for example is one of BA's most profitable routes. Its bizarre. I be
50 KL577 : Help me out here, but why is this bizarre?
51 Aisak : Like I said in Reply 38 I don't think there will be any feed on the IB side apart from Air Nostrum flights.
52 DL777LAX : The logic behind it is, at least for Americans, because most Americans think that Africa is a lost or backwards continent, and that its a waste of wh
53 KL577 : Thanks for this very honest answer! Anyway, it's not bizarre, it's the common business sense.
54 WorldTraveler : Air Europa is also joining Skyteam.... Spain does very well for both DL and CO... there might be room for AA to make BCN work but you can bet CO and
55 ElmoTheHobo : With how many flights again? Yes, but American will have 8 flights a day to London to Delta's 2 daily flights. While true, it is business and VFR tra
56 MAH4546 : They are seven digits behind. It might very well change, but to say Delta is very close is ridiculous.
57 DL777LAX : Yep, you will. Off topic, somewhat, but are AA's 777's rated to fly MIA-JNB? I'm sure they could make it to JNB, but coming up, with the altitude and
58 MAH4546 : No, they cannot do MIA-JNB non-stop, which is a primary reason why AA has never entered the market, despite a desire to. You'll see AA in South Afric
59 Ualcsr : Which is why I added..."I know you didn't limit it to Venezuela". You do bring up some valid points with the increased availability from Latin Americ
60 MAH4546 : It is certainly not marginal for AA or DL, especially from Peru, Colombia, and Central America.
61 Albird87 : With AA thinking of adding a MIA-BCN and MAD then doing well... I wonder if MIA-MAD with the high buisness demand, could AA use a 777 on this route??
62 AirlineFanatic : when will the flights be loaded? trying to book jfk-bcn to catch a memorial day cruise
63 Aacun : Had a friend receive a call from a JFK flight attendant to tell us that HNL-JFK in a go..... But cant seem to find any information at all.............
64 WorldTraveler : do you know or not? I don't think it will be just 2... but DL still serves the market, something AA can no longer claim as an advantage. You might al
65 Post contains links David_itl : From Manchester UK News 12 reply 113 dated 2nd August: "we were told today that MAN-BOS will be returning next summer; the only reason it isn't in Sa
66 MAH4546 : I've heard a different story. They haven't decided if it's coming back, which is why its not loaded, not that they haven't set a date, which would be
67 ElmoTheHobo : American has a clear advantage. 8 daily flights to two airport in London, not to mention a codeshare with BA beyond. I didn't expect you to answer th
68 MAH4546 : Indeed, let's see what Alitalia does with MIA service. I personally think MIA-MXP will be kept, or they might have a split operation like 4x MXP/3x F
69 WorldTraveler : I didn't say DL would be on parity with AA... but AA will no longer have the NYC-London market pretty much to itself. You do realize that AMR has par
70 STT757 : I think your over dramatizing the effect of DL entering the JFK-LHR market will have on AA, remember while DL may be adding 2 flights (we don't know
71 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : I find it hard to beleive that AA will do JFK-HNL. This is a rumor that has existed forever at JFK.
72 WA707atMSP : I agree. HNL is a very low yield market, and I can't imagine AA tying up one of their aircraft on a route with very little business traffic when ther
73 Incitatus : Agreed. Delta was the carrier that paid millions to get into a market that a year later became open to new entrants. That was not a clever move and U
74 Jacobin777 : ..with what slots? AF/KL isn't going to be giving/revenue-sharing all of their slots to DL for LHR...maybe 2-3 tops... AA has BA on the LHR end, and
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