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1984 UA Timetable Tid-bits  
User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Just a couple of tid bits. First of all, the timetable I have in hand advertises the "First to Fly All Fifty" campaign. (Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

Second, in reading the blurb about international service to the Orient (when the gateway cities were SEA and PDX), United wrote that Business Class on international was fully comparable to domestic first. Remember those days!

As an aside, my Delta 1981 timetable does list "C" class fares, but as a couple of rows at the front of Y. Well, that was the genesis of business class.


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User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
First of all, the timetable I have in hand advertises the "First to Fly All Fifty" campaign. (Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

I can visualize that very timetable. I used to love reading timetables, imagining trips I could take.

I remember:
PDX-DEN/ORD/SFO on DC-10 and DC-8s
PDX-NRT on the 747-200 (Tues. and Thurs.)


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
(Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

Even Delaware? Wow.

Quoting N174UA (Reply 1):
I used to love reading timetables, imagining trips I could take.

I still do. I have a small collection at home. The DL ones from 2000-2002 were/are great because they provided a lot of information.

There is a website out there (does anyone know it, I lost the link) that has timetables from the 70's and 80's and it's fun to go through and look at air service back then, especially in the 70's when prices were published in the schedules.

[Edited 2007-08-27 20:21:07]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
There is a website out there (does anyone know it, I lost the link) that has timetables from the 70's and 80's and it's fun to go through and look at air service back then, especially in the 70's when prices were published in the schedules.

You may be thinking of http://www.airchive.com/

There's also the following site, which in a few cases contains all pages from the timetable. Two that are interesting are the complete January 1958 and April 1963 Pan Am timetables.
http://www.timetableimages.com/


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3127 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
(Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

Even Delaware? Wow.

Yup, Wilmington, I believe. I still think someone ought to be able to make it work as an alternative to PHL, even if it is just 30 miles away.

-Rampart


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
Even Delaware? Wow.

United's July 1, 1984 timetable shows twice daily one-stop same plane service from Wilmington, DE, to ORD. One flight routed via ABE, the other via IAD.

Also of interest, the above-mentioned timetable shows service to "only" 49 states. Fargo, ND was added soon thereafter which made it possible for United to claim "First To Fly All 50 States" on the cover of their October 28, 1984 timetable.


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

At the time, United had a promotion. If could fly into or out of each of the fifty within a given time period, you got free travel for a year (something like that). I remember at the age of 14, in 1984, sitting with my timetable planning my imaginary routing!


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
You may be thinking of

No, those aren't it. The one I am thinking of had scanned copies of all the pages and I could see specific flights for each city (e.g. Tucson).


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
Just a couple of tid bits. First of all, the timetable I have in hand advertises the "First to Fly All Fifty" campaign. (Remember when UA had mainline service to each state?)

Second, in reading the blurb about international service to the Orient (when the gateway cities were SEA and PDX), United wrote that Business Class on international was fully comparable to domestic first. Remember those days!

didnt the claim to be the first to fly to all 50 states also meant the first to fly to all 50 state capitols...i remember where i would always get assigned the inbound ttn-ord flight, and it continued on to lnk and foe, i could be wrong on the capitol claim.



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User currently offlineRNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 827 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

I'm sure the 1984 schedule also showed RNO-DEN and RNO-ORD. These routes were orginally flown by stretch DC-8's, but by 1984 I'm pretty sure that the re-engined DC-8-71's were being used. Alas, UA no longer goes to ORD out of RNO, but it does have several daily TED flights to DEN.

By the way, the old DC-8's were so underpowered that with our hot and high conditions here at RNO, UA had to frequently off-load pax and/or bags during the hot summer months.



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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 8):
didnt the claim to be the first to fly to all 50 states also meant the first to fly to all 50 state capitols...i remember where i would always get assigned the inbound ttn-ord flight, and it continued on to lnk and foe, i could be wrong on the capitol claim.

It was actually to (at least) the largest city in each state, not necessarily the capital.

For example, United didn't fly to Concord, NW, but they flew to MHR.
United didn't fly to Augusta, ME, but they flew to PWM (and BGR)
United didn't fly to Dover, DE, but they did fly to Wilmington.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Quote:
didnt the claim to be the first to fly to all 50 states also meant the first to fly to all 50 state capitols.

In 1984 United did not fly to Olympia, Carson City, Santa Fe, Topeka, Jefferson City, Dover, Concord, or Augusta. How many other state capitols do not have commercial service at all?

Out of curiousity, did BFL have SFO service yet in your 1984 timetable?



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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 11):
How many other state capitols do not have commercial service at all?

Interesting question. Of the cities you mentioned above, keep in mind that Santa Fe, Topeka, Jefferson City, and Augusta have all had commercial service, but not by United.

But let me add to the list, to the best of my knowledge:

Montpeller, VT
Frankfort, KY
Trenton, NJ (actually, there may have been on and off service here)
Pierre, SD



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User currently offlineTcttx From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Also-
No UA service (at that time) to:

TLH, BTR, SPI, FOE, SLE
and I'm sure there are more capitals where UA didn't fly.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 5):
United's July 1, 1984 timetable shows twice daily one-stop same plane service from Wilmington, DE, to ORD. One flight routed via ABE, the other via IAD.

And DL's service to ILG will end next week: RE: DL To Drop ILG Service After Sept. 5 (by MAH4546 Jul 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)

With PHL so close, and the lack of any real facilities at ILG, I don't see a lot of near-term scheduled air service out of there. Flights to hubs on UA or US might be of use to me, but I don't see either carrier being in any hurry to try this, especially given the failure of DL's service in this market.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 8):
didnt the claim to be the first to fly to all 50 states also meant the first to fly to all 50 state capitols.

It was 50 states, not capitols.


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
It was 50 states, not capitols

Actually, it was not capitAls either!



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

The two I got a kick out of was Trenton and Topeka.
safe  confused 



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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 17):
The two I got a kick out of was Trenton and Topeka

Back in the 80's, Frontier, Ozark, and Midway all served Topeka with Mainline. I forget if UA ever served them.



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 18):
Back in the 80's, Frontier, Ozark, and Midway all served Topeka with Mainline. I forget if UA ever served them

UA flew to FOE as a tag on from the ORD-LNK flt, it was usually flown with a 27 and i think there was a ORD-MCI-FOE for awhile back in the 86-88 time frame.



Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 16):
Actually, it was not capitAls either

i guess panam747 had better school me again on spelling

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 10):
For example, United didn't fly to Concord, NW, but they flew to MHR.

Concord,NW????? and MHR?????hmmmm.....now who needs to be schooled as well??? Smile



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 6):
At the time, United had a promotion. If could fly into or out of each of the fifty within a given time period, you got free travel for a year (something like that).

I wonder if anyone took up UA on that offer.  Smile


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 18):

UA at time to time flew into Forbes from MCI and then ORD . I didnt no Ozark did. Thx for the info.
safe  coffee 



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5073 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 18):


Back in the 80's, Frontier, Ozark, and Midway all served Topeka with Mainline.

Ozark did not fly to FOE.



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User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
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Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):

Is it possible for you to look up the ORD-DEN flights for 1984 (month of May if you have it)?
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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
There is a website out there (does anyone know it, I lost the link) that has timetables from the 70's and 80's and it's fun to go through and look at air service back then, especially in the 70's when prices were published in the schedules.

AirTranTUS, are you thinking of www.departedflights.com ?


25 TAN FLYR : Yes, BFL had mainline until 87 as I recall. Are you referring to the original stretch8's or the DC-8-52's? A few times I flew on the 62's..UA schedul
26 ADent : I remember flying on what had to be one of the last DC-8-62s in the fleet on a hot summer's day ORD to PDX. Got seated in the 2x2 last row in the las
27 Viscount724 : UA bought their long-range DC-8-62s for routes like JFK-HNL and ORD-HNL, so ORD-PDX shouldn't have been much of a challenge for a -62 which had the m
28 Post contains images AirTranTUS : Yes I am. Thank you! I'll bookmark it this time.
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