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The Pilot Personality; Article  
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7791 times:

Interesting Article on Airlinepilotcentral, curtesy of ALPA on the pilot personality, I dont know about you other pilots out their but I felt like they read my book.

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/resou...pilot_personality_20070820246.html

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Pilots are a distinct segment of the general population. In addition to flying skills, pilots are selected for their personalities and for a distinct "pilot persona." These characteristics make them safer pilots.

Some of the nail in the head points for me:

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Pilots are inclined to modify their environment rather than their own behavior. Pilots need excitement; a 9-to-5 job would drive most pilots to distraction. Pilots are competitive, being driven by a need to achieve, and don't handle failure particularly well. Pilots have a low tolerance for personal imperfection, and long memories of perceived injustices.

Pilots tend to be scanners, drawing conclusions rapidly about situational facts. Pilots scan people as if they were instruments; they draw conclusions at a glance rather than relying on long and emotion-laden converstaions.

I used to hate every single part time I have ever had especially ones that involved sitting.

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Pilots avoid introspection and have difficulty revealing, expressing, or even recognizing their feelings. When they do experience unwanted feelings, they tend to mask them, sometimes with humor or even anger. Being unemotional helps pilots deal with crises, but can make them insensitive toward the feelings of others. The spouses and children of pilots frequently complain that the pilot has difficulty expressing complex human emotions toward them.

Its like listening to my girlfriend all over again!  biggrin 

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User currently offlineCaboclo From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7733 times:

That's not pilots, that's just men. Any lady pilots care to comment; does that sound like you?


Freight dogs have more fun
User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

That's me almost down to the detail, but I tend to mask with humor, not anger.  Wink

User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

Damn, I am probably going to get my Commercial Licence so this kind of shows me why I want to be a pilot. It does, although, sound a bit generalized.

An example:

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Pilots tend to be intelligent but are typically not intellectually oriented.


Well most people think of themselves as partially intelligent but not as smart as the math wiz in their class.

Quoting Caboclo (Reply 1):
That's not pilots, that's just men.

It's true especially when they say that Pilots like 'Toys'. What man doesn't like cars, boats and other fast things?


AF340


User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

It sounds like they stuck a bunch of pilots in a room and had them take one of those funny multiple-choice psych tests.

User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

Quoting Caboclo (Reply 1):
That's not pilots, that's just men. Any lady pilots care to comment; does that sound like you

totally agree with you...


User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7458 times:

I read this and I was amazed. It was like I was reading my own personality report.


"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
User currently offlineNycaviator From United States of America, joined May 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7407 times:

This is definitely true. Almost everything here describes me.


Flying is like having eyes on the top of the world.
User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Everything except:
Pilots need excitement; a 9-to-5 job would drive most pilots to distraction.
Applies to me.


User currently offlineCross757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
Quote:
Pilots are inclined to modify their environment rather than their own behavior. Pilots need excitement; a 9-to-5 job would drive most pilots to distraction. Pilots are competitive, being driven by a need to achieve, and don't handle failure particularly well. Pilots have a low tolerance for personal imperfection, and long memories of perceived injustices.

Pilots tend to be scanners, drawing conclusions rapidly about situational facts. Pilots scan people as if they were instruments; they draw conclusions at a glance rather than relying on long and emotion-laden converstaions.

From experience I would say this is relatively accurate, although I would agree that this behavior is somewhat generalized as in my opinion it also applies to doctors, fire fighters, etc...

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
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Pilots avoid introspection and have difficulty revealing, expressing, or even recognizing their feelings. When they do experience unwanted feelings, they tend to mask them, sometimes with humor or even anger. Being unemotional helps pilots deal with crises, but can make them insensitive toward the feelings of others. The spouses and children of pilots frequently complain that the pilot has difficulty expressing complex human emotions toward them.

I agree with this completely...this seems to be taken word for word from the, "How to behave like a Fighter Pilot" handbook Big grin ! Being able to "compartmentalize" your feelings helps to maintain the proper perspective and emotional state of mind needed to deal with complex in-flight emergency situations, or an instrument approach down to mins at night in the weather, and especially in combat. It's a survival instinct.


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Wow, I'm not alone in acting exactly how the article says I should.

User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

Thats me down to a Tee. God i couldnt stand doing a 9-5 job doing the same thing day in day out, would drive me to the loony farm!


Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

Quoting Caboclo (Reply 1):
That's not pilots, that's just men. Any lady pilots care to comment; does that sound like you?

Female pilot here, I'm not a professional pilot yet but I do fly and this applies pretty accurately to me. I really only deviate in the fast toys category. I like safe better. I bought my CR-V for it's safety record instead of something sportier.


User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

That's actually a pretty acurate description of the men I work with everyday. Of course it is a generalization. But there are elements of that description in many, many pilots. It makes them good pilots and really screws up lives and relationships.

User currently offlineCross757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
In addition to flying skills, pilots are selected for their personalities and for a distinct "pilot persona."

Can anyone in the airline business tell me if psychological testing is part of the interview process?

I had to complete one day of psychological tests before beginning pilot training in the military. We were never interviewed one-on-one, but instead took several multiple choice tests. We were told that the test results were kept secret until after (if) we completed pilot training and earned our wings, after which we could call back and they would share the results. Apparently the goal was to establish a sort of "personality database" that could be used, in the future, to pre-screen the potential of an individual to pass the program, and to see if some personality types were more inclined to fly fighter-type aircraft and others were more suited to transports/tankers, etc.

However I never called to get my results, for fear it might say, "Don't let this guy anywhere near an airplane!". Maybe someday I'll decide to find out.


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

Quoting Cross757 (Reply 14):
Can anyone in the airline business tell me if psychological testing is part of the interview process?

Yes.

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I had to complete one day of psychological tests before beginning pilot training in the military.

Which is why most airlines exempt ex-military folks from the pre-hire psych. testing... it has already been done.

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Apparently the goal was to establish a sort of "personality database" that could be used, in the future, to pre-screen the potential of an individual to pass the program, and to see if some personality types were more inclined to fly fighter-type aircraft and others were more suited to transports/tankers, etc.

Not to "establish" as the database was completed decades ago (you only added more data), and the desired traits have been well known for almost as long. The military psych. testing is essentially a "pass/fail" point. If you pass, you continue on with training as you have enough good traits that the military will spend the $ to train you. "Fail" simply means it is not cost effective to "take a chance" on your personality being "right" for the military pilot job. They might lose out on an exceptional military pilot, but there are always hundreds more applicants than available training slots.

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However I never called to get my results, for fear it might say, "Don't let this guy anywhere near an airplane!". Maybe someday I'll decide to find out.

It'll be a pretty generic type result: "tends to like...."; "tends to not like...."; "would be good at....."; "would not be good at...." My daughters are both Psych majors and (naturally) wanted to see what their dad was supposed to be like.



*NO CARRIER* -- A Naval Aviator's worst nightmare!
User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

Quoting Cross757 (Reply 14):
Can anyone in the airline business tell me if psychological testing is part of the interview process?

yes, it is.


User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6594 times:
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Thats me!!

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
Pilots tend to be scanners, drawing conclusions rapidly about situational facts. Pilots scan people as if they were instruments; they draw conclusions at a glance rather than relying on long and emotion-laden converstaions.

Me!



Never forget United 93
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6523 times:

Is it said somewhere that (most) pilots are oversized ego and selfish persons ?

That they are only interested in money ? the money they make, and how could they make more ?

That their conversations in the cockpit are 95% of the time on Money, their new (bigger) house, new (bigger) car, new (bigger) swimming pool, and the "pension" they have to pay monthly to their 2 or 3 ex-wives ?

That they consider F/A as their slaves and always want to be served at the worst moment, at the same time of the Passengers ?

That Hotels are never good enough for them, and in any case, F/A should be put in a lower category ?

That they are never to blame for a hard landing ... but have to praised for a kiss landing ?


Just joking ....

:D

Not all of them are like this !  duck 


User currently offlineCross757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 15):
Not to "establish" as the database was completed decades ago (you only added more data), and the desired traits have been well known for almost as long. The military psych. testing is essentially a "pass/fail" point. If you pass, you continue on with training as you have enough good traits that the military will spend the $ to train you. "Fail" simply means it is not cost effective to "take a chance" on your personality being "right" for the military pilot job. They might lose out on an exceptional military pilot, but there are always hundreds more applicants than available training slots.

Then again, perhaps the purpose is to determine if we are crazy enough to do the things we sometimes have to do...  Wink


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6437 times:

That article's ridiculous - it could have gotten the same responses after polling 1000 men about how they act with other men, and then taking the top responses about how men perceive themselves.

Male pilots, while flying, are usually emotionally aloof. Female pilots (after a few hundred hours) are too. This can and does change back on the ground.

Most of the attributes in the article don't apply to me, but I've been a pilot for the past 7 years. I'm not an airline pilot, so maybe that says something, and I have a 9-to-5 job, but as a writer - who have their own personality quirks.

I saw an article written awhile ago about the most famous writers in the past 30 years, like Tom Wolfe, Truman Capote, Hunter S. Thompson, etc...all had fucked up love life's and massive drug addictions. Thompson died of a shotgun blast to the head in his holed up compound somewhere in Colorado.



Do you like movies about gladiators?
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
That their conversations in the cockpit are 95% of the time on Money, their new (bigger) house, new (bigger) car, new (bigger) swimming pool, and the "pension" they have to pay monthly to their 2 or 3 ex-wives ?

No, that's for us, traders (We do REALLY have a nasty reputation with this).........just without the cockpit.....I wish I could buy one  duck 

JAAH



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User currently offlineCoolGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
That their conversations in the cockpit are 95% of the time on Money, their new (bigger) house, new (bigger) car, new (bigger) swimming pool, and the "pension" they have to pay monthly to their 2 or 3 ex-wives ?

Is that why pilots are always very delighted to actually talk about aviation with me (a passenger). It gives them that variety they're looking for (as opposed to the 95% of their discussions).


User currently offlineTXKF2010 From Bermuda, joined Nov 2005, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

Even hit the nail on the head for the lone rasta pilot  Wink

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
Pilots are inclined to modify their environment rather than their own behavior. Pilots need excitement; a 9-to-5 job would drive most pilots to distraction. Pilots are competitive, being driven by a need to achieve, and don't handle failure particularly well. Pilots have a low tolerance for personal imperfection, and long memories of perceived injustices



Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
Pilots avoid introspection and have difficulty revealing, expressing, or even recognizing their feelings. When they do experience unwanted feelings, they tend to mask them, sometimes with humor or even anger



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