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Alitalia-the Best Pilots?  
User currently offlineOlympic A-340 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 780 posts, RR: 10
Posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Ok, first of all I haven't flown every airline, so I cannot say who has the best pilots, but Alitalia certainly has great pilots. Everytime I land in one of their planes, especially the 747, they kiss the ground. You never feel it, FANTASTIC. Also when they hand fly the plane like on Final and after takeoff, the movements are very fluid like even in turbulence... FLY ALITALIA.

Alitalia Vi porteremo ovunque
The world within your reach

Arrivederci
Olympic A-340



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User currently offline747ALITALIA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Well i certainly do agree with you Olympic, Every landing i have done in an Alitalia aircraft was exactly how you described. Wether it was a 747-200 or a MD82.

There are many very well trained commercial pilots out there, does not matter the airline. However this post is one of the many reasons why Alitalia is my favorite airline!

There maintenance program is another reason.

FLY ALITALIA

ciao,
747Alitalia


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24960 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Don't know but Crossair must have very good pilots, to land at London City and Lugano, takes skill.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

I think, in every airline are good and bad pilots. I oubt, that Alitalia has the best ones.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineFinal Approach From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

In my opinion...the best pilots were those guys that use to fly into Hong Kong's Kai Tek Airport...the infamous checkerboard approach...or the 135 freight pilots flying ILS's to 100 and 1/2 four times a night...talk about good stick and rudder skills...

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"Speed is life, altitude is life insurance"


User currently offlineNZL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

I saw Alitalia MD-11's landing at Kai Tak, and they didn't look like very good landings to me.

User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1873 times:

Well, as far as landings at the old Kai Tak is concerned, AZ's pilots were certainly the "best"..........that is, for my photography!! You have a much much better chance of seeing an "interesting" checkerboard approach with Alitalia's MD-11's than with anybody else!!! 

'949


User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Ok,
I am an Alitalia fan. I couldn't be anything else sice AZ is my Country's flag carrier but I have enough common sense to say that they aren't the best airline in the world and they must improve in many sectors, beginning from their employees' actitude.
Anyway I am proud to say that Alitalia has very good pilots and the level of safety and maintenance is among the best in the world.
That's why I can't wait to fly on an Alitalia 747 next April to New York (another reason is my frequent traveller programme!)
For all of you that thinks that "Alitalia sucks" I can only say: don't have prejudices and give them a chance, things are improving.

Ciao

Stefano


User currently offlineAirbus_a340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

I lived on the hill left of the approach, i could see every approach and every landing.
The best ones were the Cathay Pacific pilots that did a great approach, they noirmally stayed more left to the approach lights so they could have more time in lining up for touchdown.

The worst approaches were by Philipine Airlines and Singapore Airlines that always seemed to go around at least once.....not dues to weather conditions or as such but it was specifically the 747-200's....dont know why. But i think Singapore Airline pilots are good!

I have seen some crazy approaches made by the Alitalia MD-11, sometimes they are too low and it looks very exciting.
Regards
Trevor AKA Airbus_A340



People. They make an airline. www.cathaypacific.com
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12562 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

I agree with Final Approach and NZL; having seen quite a few Kai Tak 13IGS landings by AZ M11s, I think they were incredibly lucky not to have lost an aircraft at Kai Tak. Never once did I see a landing which wasn't botched in some way - too high, too short, heavy, etc. Still, as you say (NZL?) I think it was great for photos!

User currently offlineThe Ticketor From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

There's an old saying about Finnair pilots, that they never cancel a flight due to weather but always gets you safely to your destination. This is based on the old days when all AY pilots where old air force pilots and it was more up to the pilot to decide, and not so much up to ATC. That they have seen every kind of weather imagineable helps as well.

But if you want to find some of the best in the world, Wideröe (WF) must be on your short-list. Wideroe flies to a lot of really short runways in northern Norway. Some of these strips are wedged in between mountains and fjords and the weather conditions are often far from ideal. Can Alitalia pilots say the same? Don't think so! WF pilots do a fantastic job and must be among the best.

Wideroe web site:
http://www.wideroe.no/english/index.html


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

I'll add another voice to the AZ MD11s at HKG. Interesting approaches is a huge understatement!!! I am also surprised they did not do more serious damage at Kai Tak. Admittedly, the MD11 appears to be a difficult aircraft to fly, with quite a few airlines providing interesting approaches with their's including JAL.

AZ food and service is quite good. I have only every flown LHR-FCO-HKG and back with them, but I was very impressed.

As for SQ pilots, they also flew a few 'wobbly' approaches into Kai Tak. I am not sure though that they are good pilots. I have heard a bit about what really happened at Taipei and I shook my head and said 'holy s**t' when I heard, but with all the things I have heard about SQ, I am not very surprised to hear this. Having encountered them on the airways a few times I would say that out of all the majors, they are (On the whole) selfish and uncurteous pilots. On busy airways when pilots all co-ordinate with each other on a common frequency so we can all get good flight levels, SQ will just ignore you and not help. Do them a good deed like read them some information of interest to them and maybe they will mutter out a quiet thanks. That's about it.


User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

CX flyboy,
indeed, the MD11 is quite unstable at low speeds, and it is known for it's eager to present the PF with a tailstrike at touchdown (pitch up effect during the flare).
Not the plane to give to low-hour FO's...

by the way, no airline has the best pilots, most majors only have experts in their cockpits, including Alitalia.
SQ is indeed not the best outfit to find cooperative pilots (do they know the term CRM?...).
Italy has some interesting fields too, like Florence (very nice approach, but you sure sweat), Bergamo, Genua are some fields with either very short runways or terrain in the area!



Shiek!
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