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Rumor: CO To Announce EWR-NCE  
User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7778 times:

In my opinionit was just a matter of when not if. From a co-worker at CO I heard that Continental is preparing to announce flights from EWR to NCE. The flights would be a once daily 757 service. Hope it's true as Nice is one of my favorite places in Europe!

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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

Along with the rumours of EWR-HEL, -MUC, -BOD, NCL (the list goes on). I, for one, wait till it happens. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but it is not for certain unitl the flight takes off (or at least loaded in Sonic (our res system)).

One can only hope.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineFly764 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 113 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7667 times:

This city has been rumoured between CO employees ever since I started working as a CAL FA a year and a half ago!

User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7646 times:

Isn't the NCE-NYC market well covered with DL?
Wouldn't 5 weekly EWR-MRS and 4 weekly EWR-TRN B757 make more sense?



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

The level of wealth in the MRS area is nowhere as high as it is around NCE, NCE will probably get better returns. And DL/AF practice such high prices on JFK-NCE, some healthy competition would help.

Now a new aircraft with decent space in Y and PTVs would really make a difference!


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
Isn't the NCE-NYC market well covered with DL?

As opposed to all the other markets that CO/DL/AA/BA/AF/KL (etc.) fly. Competition is good. That and a 757 is economical.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
weekly EWR-TRN B757 make more sense?

can a 752 make it to TRN?


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 750 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

What about EWR-VCE? Is that possible?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7495 times:

With more than a dozen 737-900ERs being delivered to CO in 2008 they will be able to free up the remaining 757-200 fleet which still are flying domestically and to Latin America from IAH, this will allow CO to realize their full Trans-Atlantic 757-200 capabilities which began in '95/'96. All 41 of CO's 757-200s have the BusinessFirst Cabins and Winglets, AVOD throughout will be realized by the end of next Summer. AVOD is already available in BusinessFirst.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
Isn't the NCE-NYC market well covered with DL?
Wouldn't 5 weekly EWR-MRS and 4 weekly EWR-TRN B757 make more sense?

I took my wife on our Honeymoon cruise which took us both to Marseilles and Nice (Ville Franche), Marseilles Port was rather rough, reminded me of Port Newark back home. We took an excursion tour of Aixen Provence which was very nice, the route through Marseilles was full of graffiti. I got the impression that the Marseilles area was a little economically depressed and had problems with poor North African youths, I could be wrong. Aixen Provence to which Marseilles was the gateway was very nice, lots of tours from the US are heading to Aixen Provence and that region. One thing cool about Marseilles port was the huge graffiti on the sea wall as we left the port, in huge letters someone painted USS Carl Vinson Med Cruise was here (I forget the year they painted).

Nice on the other hand was very affluent, the road in the mountains from Nice to Monaco was full of extravagant homes. Nice, Ville Franche, Monaco of course were outstanding. Even with the competition I can see CO going with Nice over Marseilles.

As for possible destinations for CO in France I would consider UTA, who flew nonstop from EWR to..

Marseilles, Bordeaux, Toulouse, Nantes, Lyon, Nice.

I can see CO flying nonstop to some of those Cities.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7492 times:

Can the 757 make EWR-NCE?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 7):
What about EWR-VCE? Is that possible?

CO will fly EWR to Venice, but not with the 757-200. It will most likely be a 787-8 route or a 767-200/400 which was freed up by a 787-8 from another route. That would be 2009 at the earliest.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 9):
Can the 757 make EWR-NCE?

Yes. The 757 flies from EWR to places in Germany with no problem.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7127 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 11):
Yes. The 757 flies from EWR to places in Germany with no problem.

EWR-CGN 3789 mi
EWR-NCE 4007 mi


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7124 times:

i want to see EWR-CMN.........that would be nice!!


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 12):
EWR-CGN 3789 mi
EWR-NCE 4007 mi

EWR-TXL 3980 mi
DTW-DUS (current NW route) 4049 mi

We fly to HAM, TXL, CGN with the 757 (FRA with widebody).

EWR-NCE is doable (just).



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineAF777300ER From France, joined Aug 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

I think CO from NCE to EWR wouldn't bring a big change in offer except perhaps for price, compared to DL to JFK.

For routes from other French airports, it has already been tried without success. The market is not here, even if these other towns are bigger than NCE - i.e MRS, LYS or TLS.



Next trip : BOD - CDG - GIG - SSA - GIG - CDG - BOD
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 15):
I think CO from NCE to EWR wouldn't bring a big change in offer

Got to be better than those skanky DL 763's - anythings an improvement !  Smile


User currently offlineFoxXray From France, joined May 2005, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

Quoting AF777300ER (Reply 15):
think CO from NCE to EWR wouldn't bring a big change in offer except perhaps for price, compared to DL to JFK.

For routes from other French airports, it has already been tried without success. The market is not here, even if these other towns are bigger than NCE - i.e MRS, LYS or TLS

Come on, how can you compare what they tried between 10 to 20 years ago to something that may happen next year ??? Lyon can support a daily 757 flight to JFK (DL should resume this service next year), NCE can easily support a second daily flight to NYC during summer...

AA and DL stopped to fly to DUS because of low loads and yield but DL and NW are now back there !!!
If they had your point of view, DUS shouldn't have any other flights to the USA for a long while...

So I hope this rumour is true because it can work during the high season; and it should be nice to see a CO 757 at NCE  Smile


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6596 times:
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Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 4):
And DL/AF practice such high prices on JFK-NCE, some healthy competition would help.

Keep smoking that crack pipe if you think that CO is going to go into the market and lower prices.....


User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6291 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 18):
Keep smoking that crack pipe if you think that CO is going to go into the market and lower prices.....

Even if they do not introduce a price war with DL, there will at least be some more seats available at less than full fare. In the summer, the DL flights are stuffed like sardine cans and even a month in advance you'd have to pay full fare in economy, which means it then becomes cheaper to fly via LHR, CDG, FRA, etc.
In the summer, the seat offer is well below the demand at the moment.

CO on 752 would be great news!


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 14):
Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 12):
EWR-CGN 3789 mi
EWR-NCE 4007 mi

EWR-TXL 3980 mi
DTW-DUS (current NW route) 4049 mi

We fly to HAM, TXL, CGN with the 757 (FRA with widebody).

EWR-NCE is doable (just).

Can't compare CO and NW 757's as they different engines and a much different seating configuration.


User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

Quoting Fllcontinental (Thread starter):
Hope it's true as Nice is one of my favorite places in Europe!

I second that.

Either way, CO and DL are continuing towards their dominance in the smaller European markets that sometimes are hidden gold mines.


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 16):
Got to be better than those skanky DL 763's - anythings an improvement !

They may lack PTV's, but I wouldn't call them skanky. I flew on one last fall (DL21, CDG-ATL, N175DN) that was still in the Ron Allen colors, and it was relatively comfortable back in coach, with more toe room under the seats than DL's 777's. The plane was also very clean and was in excellent shape, despite the fact that it was 16 years old (the paint still looked great also). Plus many of their 763's were obtained in the late '90's and are less than 10 years old. No, DL 763's don't have PTV's or the 777-style interior, but if I'm not mistaken, most of them have been fitted with the refreshed biz elite cabin and have leather seats in Y. Plus, the overhead bins may look a bit dated, but have almost as much room as the 777 bins (definitely more room than 757 bins).
But you're right that CO 757's will be an improvement in terms of the product as they'll be equipped with AVOD by the time this flight would begin if this rumor is true. But even if the 757 has AVOD I'd still prefer the 767 for this flight due to the bigger feel it provides, plus having that aisle makes a big difference if you need to hit the lavs/stretch, especially when the FA's are doing food/drink service.
Hopefully this rumor will turn out true as this would be great for CO and NCE!  Smile


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 14):
DTW-DUS (current NW route) 4049 mi

...with an (oddly, I might add) longer ranged bird and different seating capacity.

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 17):
Come on, how can you compare what they tried between 10 to 20 years ago to something that may happen next year ???

10-20yrs ago? Not quite.
Some of those routes were tried as recently as 2000/2001.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

It would be wiser to try EWR-NUE instead of NCE on a 757- NCE has enough US capacity with Delta...
NUE has lot's of US export oriented business year-round.



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25 JGPH1A : You must have been on diffferent ones than me then - the ones I went on had awful battleship grey interiors with flaking walls and tatty carpets, the
26 AF777300ER : If the market can support a second daily flight to the US, why DL has not renewed the flight to ATL they introduced last summer...
27 YULWinterSkies : What does TRN have to do with NCE? Other side of the Alps, no convenient road/rail link between the 2, and 2 totally different cities and markets! I
28 JGPH1A : Because nobody wants to go to/via ATL. NYC is a whole other story, with a lot of originating traffic as well as good onward connections through EWR (
29 Beaucaire : Marseille is not a city easy to discover and appreciate - but behind all the dirt and graffiti (..unfortunately true..) the city is a more "normal" pl
30 Post contains images JGPH1A : All of them stolen by people from Bouches du Rhone
31 GoBoeing : Absolutely right on with this. By this time next year there will not be another 757-200 on a domestic leg.
32 Beaucaire : ..my car was vandalized three weeks ago in Tarascon (Bouchees du Rhone..) -the young gang that did it apparently werer 'gitans" -as seen by a pub-owne
33 Panamair : Actually, most still have 2-2-2 on the 767s: AA, UA, NZ, OZ, Maxjet, US, OS, and even BA I believe that only CO, AZ, AC, and NH have a 2-1-2 config o
34 FUN2FLY : From my understanding, there are 29 of the 41 752's employed on TATL traffic. With the 739er's coming on, that will free up 12 aircraft. In spring 200
35 JGPH1A : True, but that's their front-and-rear flatbed product, this is a unique case. Euwww - those domestic products barely rate as a premium economy. Longh
36 Post contains images Ncelhr : That's right. NYC is where the money is. NCE is where it's spent.
37 CuriousFlyer : On EWR-CDG, CO often has better deals than AF/DL from JFK, particularly in BusinessFirst (eg summer and Christmas sales, and no 7 days minimum stay f
38 COEI2007 : Heard that in Feb! Still hasnt happened. I'll believe it when I see it
39 Post contains images 747fan : Yep, all you got to do to discover this is take the bus or a taxi from CDG to downtown Paris. I had never seen so much graffiti in my life. I don't k
40 Post contains images STT757 : After I posted my comments about Marseilles I had second thoughts, for example if travelers only view of New Jersey (where I live) is from the Turnpi
41 LAXdude1023 : DL wont bring it back because it lost money and was a very poor preformer. Not every ATL-Europe route turns to gold and this was one of them. I dont
42 Post contains images Varig md-11 : MRS has no biz travellers whatsoever....barely eco class could be filled little economically depressed???!!! the question is: is there an economy at
43 Hush-Kit : I doubt. IMO the 757 flying westbound over the big pond is going towards its limits. Look - esspecially in the winter/spring time- how may of CO's 75
44 Varig md-11 : that's what I fear too I saw something similar back at CDG with an Air Transat 757 fully agree! also what about cargo? you can't do anything with the
45 EXTspotter : Has someone mislaid the space bar?
46 PanAm747LHR : People here at CO have been saying that NCE has been talked about for years now, so I'm not going to hold my breath. I'll believe it when I see it in
47 Hush-Kit : I don't get it... CO start VIE with a 767...but on the other hand CO loses biz-travellers over and over to LH on the very profitable IAH-FRA route (L
48 FUN2FLY : Another thread awhile back had a link to the VIE airport announcement that CO would start 762 service in the spring. Maybe this one is for real. As fo
49 LAXdude1023 : Ive often wondered this myself. AA brings home buckets of money on DFW-FRA (the only non-LHR route flown with a 777 route by AA) and so does LH. I do
50 Bobnwa : How do you know this?
51 Hush-Kit : LAXdude1023 is right, I fly either IAH or DFW to Europe a lot, and biz is almost fully booked. but: LAXdude1023: doesn't AA serve Gatwick (not Heathr
52 LAXdude1023 : Heard it from more than one person in AA. And since nobody realeases publically what routes are profitable and which arent, thatll have to do. But AA
53 WorldTraveler : You seem to forget the 757s that are deployed to S. America, including LIM which is beyond the range of a 739ER.
54 STT757 : IAH-Lima is a 757-300 starting in December, EWR-Lima will remain a 757-200. There are no routes from IAH currently operated by a 757-200 that is out
55 Tpaewr : from Dec 14th IAH-LIM is a 753
56 LAXdude1023 : Yes as of right now they serve LGW twice daily. Starting March 30, AA will servce LHR once daily and LGW once daily from DFW. Sorry I should have bee
57 Bobnwa : For years, both UA and NW flew 747-400's JFK-NRT, which were the largest aircraft they had. Both flights continued to lose money, even though they bo
58 Nuggetsyl : I know this may sound weird, but I had gotten word that cal was looking into casablanca for next year. On the 757 of coarse. I looked at the distance
59 LAXdude1023 : That wasnt all I mentioned. I have a friend that I went to college with that works at AA HQ in Fort Worth. He mentioned to me that it was very profit
60 Viscount724 : MRS also has the advantage of being on a fast TGV rail line to/from Paris. Fastest trains only take 3 hours between city centers at about 300 kmh/200
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