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UA Needs To Update Their Jetway Banners  
User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Jetway banners are the lowest priority thing to an airline. Its nothing. There are more important things to UA than jetway banners.


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User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Jetway banners are the lowest priority thing to an airline. Its nothing. There are more important things to UA than jetway banners

Thanks for that insightful reply. Gee, I thought UA should sacrifice engine maintenance to remove these banners.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineTozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4560 times:

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 2):
Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

I have no idea really whether or not that banner is accurate, but our fleet is still relatively young. The 777's are mostly less than 10 years old, as are the A320's. Most of the 757's are mid 90's vintage or later. The -400's are early 90's (maybe 1989) vintage or newer. The real age of the fleet does not matter as much as the quality of the maintenance, and UA has excellent maintenance. The guppies are getting a bit long in the tooth, but I think they'll only be around for a few more years anyway. Is NW still flying DC-9's? Maybe they can pick me up after I part my 777 in the desert.
 Big grin



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User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4540 times:

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 3):
The guppies are getting a bit long in the tooth, but I think they'll only be around for a few more years anyway. Is NW still flying DC-9's? Maybe they can pick me up after I part my 777 in the desert.

Yes, I believe those NW DC9's will be flying until the reach 50 years old. Some are right around 40. Pretty amazing when you think about it.

This isn't about the safety of UA's fleet, it is simply that UA is far from flying one of the youngest fleet's anymore. I think the last plane UA got was an A319 back in '02. Is that correct? Not sure.
I'll be on a 777 from DEN to O'Hare on Thursday. Even after all these years and flights I look forward to 777 flights.



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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 4481 times:

Just remembering the good times?


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

They do fly one of the youngest fleets, not sure what your going on about here, I note you have started two threads, one could have covered both issues. Tozarairport has a point, try flying on NW's old DC 9's, they are old but perfectly maintained.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4281 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Semi related to the topic I noticed that LGA has now done their impression of LHR and LGW, with HSBC logos now appearing on all the jetways in the airport, save for the United ones, which still boast the UA emblem. How long before UA finally caves into this one?

User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1495 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

Look it up, UA has one of the youngest fleets for an airline of its size (esp. in the U.S.). Or you could search for another thread about it, it's been discussed ad nauseum on these boards. I'd almost say it's number two to: "When is NW going to retire their DC-9s"



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 3):
The guppies are getting a bit long in the tooth

Guppies?



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User currently offline777DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

guppy is the nickname for the 737's

User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

Quoting 777DEN (Reply 10):
guppy is the nickname for the 737's

I thought it meant Gay Urban Professional.


User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Quoting 777DEN (Reply 10):
guppy is the nickname for the 737's

How did UA employees come up with such a silly nickname for the 737? I believe that they are the only airline that refers theirs 737s as Guppies.


User currently offlineKBMIFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 6):
They do fly one of the youngest fleets, not sure what your going on about here,



Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):
Look it up, UA has one of the youngest fleets for an airline of its size (esp. in the U.S.).

United has a fleet that is older than average if you look at all US airlines, or at airlines with over 200 aircraft (CO, WN, NW, US, UA, DL, & AA)

Source: airfleets.com

Airline Average Age
JetBlue 3.1
Skybus 3.4
Spirit 3.5
AirTran 4.2
Alaska 9.0
Continental 9.7
Southwest 9.8
Midwest 10.0
Northwest 11.1
UsAir 12.1
United 13.1
Delta 13.5
American 14.4
Allegiant 17.2
Aloha 18.3

United's fleet breakdown
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/United%20Airlines.htm

Aircraft # in Fleet Age
Airbus A319 55 7.6
Airbus A320 39 11.3
Boeing 737 90 17.8
Boeing 747 30 12.1
Boeing 757 97 15.3
Boeing 767 35 12.2
Boeing 777 52 9.0


User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

Are you refering to UA's jetway banners at IAD ? I know that the alot of the ones there are extremely old and believe that there are a few that I have seen there, date back to the late 80s.


User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Quoting KBMIFlyer (Reply 13):
Northwest 11.1

That stat surprises me because of their large aging DC9 fleet.


User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 14):
Are you refering to UA's jetway banners at IAD ? I know that the alot of the ones there are extremely old and believe that there are a few that I have seen there, date back to the late 80s.

Specifically at O'Hare and SEA is where I've noticed them lately. I'll check Denver tomorrow.

RDU - UA's fleet is NOT one of the youngest anymore. Just not true. Before you post you should check your facts. Even amongst US carriers UA ranks towards the bottom.



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User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 16):
Specifically at O'Hare and SEA is where I've noticed them lately. I'll check Denver tomorrow.

I have not ever really noticed them at ORD or DEN . Is it more of the UA express area of the lower C gates and the E / F gates at ORD that are very old? I fly in and out of DEN alot and know at DEN the UA banner and logos at the gate areas desparately need to be updated along with IAD. I know that alot of the exterior banners and logos at all of UA's hub airports still need to be changed to the current one.

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 14):
Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I fly UA fairly frequently, and for the last 10 years or so I have made them my first choice flying partner, so I'm not complaining. but eveytime I see the banner on the inside of some of the jetways saying We Fly One of the Youngest Fleets I take some issue with that. Somehow I can't agree after having just flown a 737 built in 1985 and before that a 757 built in 1989.

Are you refering to UA's jetway banners at IAD ? I know that the alot of the ones there are extremely old and believe that there are a few that I have seen there, date back to the late 80s.

I also forgot to mention that I flew on UA via SFO about a month ago and did notice similar extremely old banners in the jetways there as I have seen at IAD.


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1495 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 16):
RDU - UA's fleet is NOT one of the youngest anymore. Just not true. Before you post you should check your facts. Even amongst US carriers UA ranks towards the bottom.

Don't believe everything you read...the list above doesn't factor in NW's DC9's which IIRC move them to about 18 years average for the fleet. I'd also question USAir's number...not sure if that's pre/post HP merger.

So assuming the rest of the above data is correct...UA is right in the middle. They are actually all very close with the exception of NW. When the aforementioned jetway posters were put up, they probably were at the top of the pack.

From above:
Continental 9.7
UsAir 12.1
United 13.1 (actually more like 12.3)
Delta 13.5
American 14.4
Northwest 11.1 + DC9's = 18ish.



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 15):
That stat surprises me because of their large aging DC9 fleet.

DC9 is not supported by airfleets, thus that 11.1years figure has no relevance.



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User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1556 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 12):

How did UA employees come up with such a silly nickname for the 737? I believe that they are the only airline that refers theirs 737s as Guppies.

Because it looks like a guppy.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23056 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

STL still has a sign with the old (80s blue/orange scheme) United font up at the end of Concourse A. I think it's kind of cool (granted, it's not misleading like these banners, but it's still something that some would say should have come down long ago).


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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

I'm thinking that airfleets.net has a few errors on it. For example, take the American Eagle fleet into consideration. Their oldest CRJ was delivered on 3/10/2001, so it's almost 6.5 years old. Yet, airfleets states that the average age of the CRJs for them is 8.3 years. What's the deal with that?

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

Just one question I have: Why are jetway banners so important when airlines have more important things to deal with?


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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
Just one question I have: Why are jetway banners so important when airlines have more important things to deal with?

Some people on this board have too much time on their hands.

Exactly what I thought when I read this thread. Couldn't care less if it has a RBS or HSBC advertisement or says FR might fly A380s in the future.



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25 ModernArt : Marketing is never the lowest priority thing to an airline. Jetway posters or placards are a great way to reach a very targeted (and sometimes captiv
26 N1120A : Did you finally get moved up? Perhaps when HSBC offers them enough money to make it worthwhile. Airfleets may even be less accurate than the A.net da
27 NorthstarBoy : can't they just task someone to go in and remove those banners? it can't be that hard.
28 Flybynight : So why did you read the thread or even more strangely answer it. Geez. Also, if you think advertising is not important you'd better go back to school
29 Transpac787 : Not just UA uses the nickname "guppy". And why do you think it's "silly"?? It's more a term of endearment, as a lot of the folks on the ramp like wor
30 Boston92 : ATC (at least in ORD) refer to 737's as guppies. I hear it all the time (though most likely the same controller).
31 Post contains images Tozairport : Upgraded at the end of last year. In TPE now writing this. I should be asleep
32 CWAFlyer : One of their pilots told me once the crews referred to the old 200's as Guppies when they flew the 200/300 and 500. The nickname just stuck once the
33 Tozairport : True enough. The -200's were actually known as "thunder guppies" and the -300/500's were sometimes called "yuppie guppies". Affectionate nickname for
34 Post contains images Transpac787 : Of course there is no one written rule or anything for aircraft nicknames, but it's always been my understanding that the "yuppie guppies" are the 73
35 USPIT10L : United Airlines never flew 737-400s. Only US Airways and Alaska Airlines have in the US.
36 Post contains images Tozairport : They were fairly young when I first flew them in '95, so I hate to call them old (makes me feel like I'm getting older). Let's just call them "experi
37 Post contains images Transpac787 : I threw "experienced" into my computer's thesaurus, and it gave me nothing that rhymed with guppy, so I suppose we'll just have to choose from the ne
38 USPIT10L : Okay. Yeah, the 735s weren't very old at all. Too bad UA could never fill them adequately lately. When I cleaned their aircraft at DGS we worked the
39 Post contains images Tozairport : I like it.
40 TUNisia : ATH is infested with HSBC garbage as well.
41 LGA777 : Actually quite a few US Airports including JFK now have those red HSBC signs on all or most jetways. And while in LGA UA does not have them on their
42 IADCRJ : Has the Guppy nickname at UA for the 737 been around since the delivery of the first 200 series aircraftt back in the late 1960s? Very true do to the
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