FlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3887 times:
Looks very smart. I've been waiting for AB to get a new livery, although the old one will surely be missed.
ReverseThrust From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3725 times:
ReverseThrust From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3657 times:
Quoting PADSpot (Reply 4): AB actually adopts the new LTs scheme (AB bought LT).
Ah, ok - I didn't know (sorry - should definitely know things like that being an a.netter - shame!)
Will their flight numbering change to all flights numbered with AB or with the LT code still remain with flights operating under the LTU identity?
PADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3657 times:
Quoting ReverseThrust (Reply 6): Will their flight numbering change to all flights numbered with AB or with the LT code still remain with flights operating under the LTU identity?
There will be a press conference on Sep 20th that is supposed to answer exactly those questions.
ReverseThrust From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3570 times:
Quoting PADSpot (Reply 9): Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
Is Air-Berlin taking A319s with extra o/w exits?
It looks like they are going for the higher seating density in the same way as EasyJet and Germanwings have done. I don't know how many seats are on the AB new (not ex Independence Air) A319's though. I think EZY's are seated at 156.
Thanks for your answers PADSpot - very helpful indeed.
PADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3518 times:
Quoting ReverseThrust (Reply 10): It looks like they are going for the higher seating density in the same way as EasyJet and Germanwings have done. I don't know how many seats are on the AB new (not ex Independence Air) A319's though. I think EZY's are seated at 156.
Without actually knowing it, I say 156.
More than 156? Doesn't fit - either the airplane or the customer.
Less than 150? No need for the extra doors then.
For anything between 150 and 156 you need to do the investment, accept the higher weight, more maintenance, different procedures etc. The business case works for 156 and not less ...
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3511 times:
Quoting PADSpot (Reply 4): Eurowhite liveries are simple, cheap and easy to maintain.
It's not even eurowhite - theres just no logo or graphical elements or anything. It's just red, and it says "Air Berlin" - talk about a supermarket own-brand airline ! Try a logo, why don't you ?
FlyingJHawk From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3488 times:
Star12 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
What's wrong with dull and boring? Easyjet is a simple big orange name on top of a white background. No logo. It's simple and cheap. Isn't that supposed to be what 'low-fares' airlines are all about??
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2079 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2785 times:
So, have they changed the order from only A320s to a mix of A320 and A319 or only A319? Are A319 and B73G more the right size for the "new" Air-Berlin instead of predominantly A320 and B738?
PADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2737 times:
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 18): So, have they changed the order from only A320s to a mix of A320 and A319 or only A319? Are A319 and B73G more the right size for the "new" Air-Berlin instead of predominantly A320 and B738?
The did not publsihed the composition of their Airbus order in the first place. A year or so later they published the composition which was 45 A320 + 15 A319 IIRC.
I'd say they definitely need a larger variate in capacity than let's say U2 or FR. Even the A321 that will come into play with LT will fit in neatly and there are routes like DUS-PMI, NUE-PMI where they have room for them.
The decision however to go for Airbus AND Boeing was something CEO Hunold came up with, but behind the curtain it was rumored th HG's Niki Lauda was involved in this strategy. I don't necessarilly agree with them, but with the buy-out of DI they inherited a 40 frame B73G order anyway. These will now replace the Classic 737s and the leased B73Gs. The Airbuses are for growth and to replace leased and maybe older B738s.
SwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
You can actually see the new livery on http://www.airberlin.de/ for a couple of days already!!!
A319 initially, and if you click on a language you'll see a 73G in new colors for a couple of seconds.
FlyingJHawk From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2291 times:
Quoting Star12 (Reply 17): What's wrong with dull and boring? Easyjet is a simple big orange name on top of a white background. No logo. It's simple and cheap. Isn't that supposed to be what 'low-fares' airlines are all about??
Other than it being dull and boring, I guess nothing. EasyJet's livery isn't necessarily boring....I would say more like nauseating. And back to Air Berlin, I am not sure I would categorize the livery as cheap, just dull and boring.
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