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Air Berlin A319 In New Colors  
User currently offlineN383PA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Just for your information. The AB/LTU merger ....





http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ew-livery-with-an-airbus-a319.html


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User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Looks very smart. I've been waiting for AB to get a new livery, although the old one will surely be missed.

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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5356 times:



Hmm - not boring enough. Make it MORE boring.


User currently offlineReverseThrust From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5194 times:

Quoting N383PA (Thread starter):
The AB/LTU merger ....

It really does amaze me that the new liveries of 2 quite large airlines in Germany are SO alike....

Doesn't make good for the spotter, does it?

Reverse.



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Quoting ReverseThrust (Reply 3):
It really does amaze me that the new liveries of 2 quite large airlines in Germany are SO alike....

AB actually adopts the new LTs scheme (AB bought LT).

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
Hmm - not boring enough. Make it MORE boring.

Eurowhite liveries are simple, cheap and easy to maintain.


User currently onlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2178 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5147 times:
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Is Air-Berlin taking A319s with extra o/w exits? Are they packing in 150 seats in them, like the competition?


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User currently offlineReverseThrust From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 4):
AB actually adopts the new LTs scheme (AB bought LT).

Ah, ok - I didn't know (sorry - should definitely know things like that being an a.netter - shame!)

Will their flight numbering change to all flights numbered with AB or with the LT code still remain with flights operating under the LTU identity?

Just curious.

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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting ReverseThrust (Reply 6):
Will their flight numbering change to all flights numbered with AB or with the LT code still remain with flights operating under the LTU identity?

There will be a press conference on Sep 20th that is supposed to answer exactly those questions.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

They could have done away with the italicized capitalized Arials. Nothing spactacular but nothing wrong neither with the actual colours.


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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
Is Air-Berlin taking A319s with extra o/w exits?

Yes.
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Don't know how many seats they put on it.


User currently offlineReverseThrust From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 9):
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
Is Air-Berlin taking A319s with extra o/w exits?

It looks like they are going for the higher seating density in the same way as EasyJet and Germanwings have done. I don't know how many seats are on the AB new (not ex Independence Air) A319's though. I think EZY's are seated at 156.

Thanks for your answers PADSpot - very helpful indeed.

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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

Quoting ReverseThrust (Reply 10):
It looks like they are going for the higher seating density in the same way as EasyJet and Germanwings have done. I don't know how many seats are on the AB new (not ex Independence Air) A319's though. I think EZY's are seated at 156.

Without actually knowing it, I say 156.

More than 156? Doesn't fit - either the airplane or the customer.
Less than 150? No need for the extra doors then.

For anything between 150 and 156 you need to do the investment, accept the higher weight, more maintenance, different procedures etc. The business case works for 156 and not less ...


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 4):
Eurowhite liveries are simple, cheap and easy to maintain.

It's not even eurowhite - theres just no logo or graphical elements or anything. It's just red, and it says "Air Berlin" - talk about a supermarket own-brand airline ! Try a logo, why don't you ?


User currently offlineFlyingJHawk From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 88 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

Dull and unimaginative.

User currently offlineNubes From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

Quite boring, I didn't really like the old (current) one, but this livery is even worse. Don't like the new uniforms either.. Too bad..

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26951 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

Not much of a change really . Im sure they could have got something better and more eye catching. Where is the link to the uniforms???

User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Quoting ReverseThrust (Reply 10):
It looks like they are going for the higher seating density in the same way as EasyJet and Germanwings have done.

The number of airlines opting for the higher density seating A319s is slowly growing...

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7late7, A3latey, Sukhoi Superlate... what's going on?
User currently offlineStar12 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

What's wrong with dull and boring? Easyjet is a simple big orange name on top of a white background. No logo. It's simple and cheap. Isn't that supposed to be what 'low-fares' airlines are all about??

User currently onlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2178 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
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So, have they changed the order from only A320s to a mix of A320 and A319 or only A319? Are A319 and B73G more the right size for the "new" Air-Berlin instead of predominantly A320 and B738?


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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 18):
So, have they changed the order from only A320s to a mix of A320 and A319 or only A319? Are A319 and B73G more the right size for the "new" Air-Berlin instead of predominantly A320 and B738?

The did not publsihed the composition of their Airbus order in the first place. A year or so later they published the composition which was 45 A320 + 15 A319 IIRC.

I'd say they definitely need a larger variate in capacity than let's say U2 or FR. Even the A321 that will come into play with LT will fit in neatly and there are routes like DUS-PMI, NUE-PMI where they have room for them.

The decision however to go for Airbus AND Boeing was something CEO Hunold came up with, but behind the curtain it was rumored th HG's Niki Lauda was involved in this strategy. I don't necessarilly agree with them, but with the buy-out of DI they inherited a 40 frame B73G order anyway. These will now replace the Classic 737s and the leased B73Gs. The Airbuses are for growth and to replace leased and maybe older B738s.

[Edited 2007-08-30 17:45:21]

User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

They've got a brand new 738 coming in about 2-3 weeks from Seattle.

Agree about the scheme though - borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring. They need something like this - one of the best airline liveries out there imho :


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 19):
I don't necessarilly agree with them, but with the buy-out of DI they inherited a 40 frame B73G order anyway.

They even ordered additional 737s after they ordered the Airbusses in addition to the 40 ordered by DI.



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User currently offlineNubes From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
Where is the link to the uniforms???

http://www.airberlin.com/site/images...deu/Flugbegleiter_und_Kapitaen.jpg


User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

You can actually see the new livery on http://www.airberlin.de/ for a couple of days already!!!
A319 initially, and if you click on a language you'll see a 73G in new colors for a couple of seconds.

BR, Pat



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User currently offlineFlyingJHawk From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 88 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Quoting Star12 (Reply 17):
What's wrong with dull and boring? Easyjet is a simple big orange name on top of a white background. No logo. It's simple and cheap. Isn't that supposed to be what 'low-fares' airlines are all about??

Other than it being dull and boring, I guess nothing. EasyJet's livery isn't necessarily boring....I would say more like nauseating. And back to Air Berlin, I am not sure I would categorize the livery as cheap, just dull and boring.


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