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Rumor: BMI To Chop LHR-MAN/LBA/MME?  
User currently offlineN383PA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

I found this while browsing. Could it be true that BD would chop LHR-MAN? They seem to have a hell of a lot of transfer passengers every day on that route. That's what I can see every day.

LHR-LBA I don't know, but I think I read somewhere that the LHR-MME is going for sure.

I can't see what BD is playing at, as this doesn't make any sense to me.



http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...ter-on-bmi-heathrow-chop-list.html

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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8535 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3123 times:
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Quoting N383PA (Thread starter):
LHR-LBA I don't know, but I think I read somewhere that the LHR-MME is going for sure.

- Both of these routes could easily go when BD start LHR Transatlantics, the slots need to come from somewhere + the Transatlantics will bring in more £ than these routes.

Hopefully they will survive, if so, it will be in a much reduced capacity.

M



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 1):

Great, another one flies the nest at LBA. Hope this is just a rumour because the flights are very popular and mean we can connect through LHR on Star Alliance.

BA787


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8535 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3075 times:
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Quoting BA787 (Reply 2):
Great, another one flies the nest at LBA. Hope this is just a rumour because the flights are very popular and mean we can connect through LHR on Star Alliance.

- I suspect BD would maintain an AM & PM flight to/from LBA from LHR, however the middle of the day slots would likely be used for Transatlantics/other medium haul expansion.

If my recent off peak LBA flight's are anything to go by, BD is just flying the route to keep the slots, passenger numbers were terrible.

M



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of domestic routes from BMI / BA are cut in the future to support flights to the USA under open skies.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

I wonder if it's a coded message to govt to get moving with Mixed Mode at LHR; the govt is known to be concerned about the loss of domestic connections at Heathrow and a move to mixed mode, with more slots being made available, could help stem this?

User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Not if this is anything to go by:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...xml=/earth/2007/08/28/eapol128.xml


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

What politicians dont seem to understand is that the train is no good for passengers who currently connect at Heathrow - unless you live in Paddington, Ealing, Hayes or Southall there is no train service to Heathrow, and not likely to be one any time soon. They seem to think passengers will catch a train to Euston, Kings Cross or wherever, then catch the tube (with luggage) or a bus to Paddington, and then the train. Or use the tube from Central London directly to Heathrow. But I doubt people will do that - they'll just use KL, AF, LH etc. And I dont see how that will do UK PLC any good

If you want to get rid of LHR short haul flights spend some money and build an intercity or high speed rail line to LHR



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User currently offline6YJJK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

It's bmi - so why does there have to be a good reason?  Wink

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Cutting LHR-MAN makes no sense whatsoever, they have a lot of transfer through these two hubs, theres cutting routes to gain slots bit theres also cutting your own throat!!

User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting N383PA (Thread starter):
found this while browsing. Could it be true that BD would chop LHR-MAN? They seem to have a hell of a lot of transfer passengers every day on that route. That's what I can see every day.

LHR-LBA I don't know, but I think I read somewhere that the LHR-MME is going for sure.

Sad if this happened, I think MME-LHR has been around since 1969 though it has got smaller and less frequent over the years. Seems like BMI could be reducing feed into LHR from regions. As BMI said a couple of weeks ago that they were delaying US flights for a year, why would they reduce the regional flying in Winter 07 and what would they do with the spare aircraft & slots until the US flight started up? Something doesn't quite add up here (there again it is BMI)

Still, KLM etc. must be loving the prospect of those additional passengers!


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Here BMI go again...

They want to have it all, and desert their "bread & butter" market and just be the cat that get all the cream!

If they do this, they will have have many unhappy code-share partners who rely on BMI to feed their services with domestic traffic from other parts of the UK. Star Alliance members who operate long haul services from LHR will not be happy with this, but on the other hand airlines like LH could cash in and start flights to their hub and divert further traffic away from LHR.

They are nearly as bad as British Airways, deserting the UK regional market... They should call themselves the BLI - British London Internatonal!  Wink

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 9):
Cutting LHR-MAN makes no sense whatsoever, they have a lot of transfer through these two hubs, theres cutting routes to gain slots bit theres also cutting your own throat!!

Manchester - What hub?! At this rate BMI will no longer have a hub there, in a years time and all the A330's will be flying fro LHR!

You might think, I am acting negatively. But I think this is the stark reality!


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

This seems to clearly be a case of BD trying to use its slots elsewhere. Remember that BD is taking over BMed from October but will have to return its LHR slots to BA in 2009 (the deal with BA over BMed deliberately excluded its slots) and so it will need to use some of its own slots to fly those services. As mentioned elsewhere, too, the opening of services to the US from LHR would also take some slots away from BD's domestic network.

Talk of BD dropping Belfast City are also rumoured - what is it with The Province that is causing the UK airlines to run? Is it U2 or is that that EI is considered strong enough to unseat them? Perhaps BD could open up SNN - LHR when EI runs!

With all the talk from the politicians about substituting trains for short-haul flights, there is a limit to how valid their arguments are. If one is going point - to - point for leisure, say, the train is OK but for business people it can be a lot of hassle - think delays, break-downs, track maintenance, replacement buses and all that! If the railways ran generally smoothly then yes - consider that in Germany and France trains have remained competitive woth domestic flights and in the case of France actually inhibited them somewhat. Connections are another issue - does it really make sense, if flying to say LAX from LHR and living in Leeds, to take a train from there to King's Cross and a coach to LHR with all the traffic jams and so on entailed? The tube (Piccadilly runs direct from King's X to LHR) is also very slow. All in all it can work if a young person or 2 are concerned but consider a family of 5 with young children and the hassle becomes a serious drawback.

On another front is the cost - the airlines, especially U2, have shown their stuff in cutting the cost of travel way below that of the trains, whose fares increase above the rate of inflation despite massive government subsidies. I will not go into much detail about the problems facing British railways - this being an aviation forum - but suffice it to say that private companies trying to eke out profits on old infrastructure which they do not own or control and clamouring for higher fares all the time does not encourage the casual bystander (Eurostar being the shining exception to this rule).

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 11):
They are nearly as bad as British Airways, deserting the UK regional market... They should call themselves the BLI - British London Internatonal!

I wouldnt go that far. They do have a decent regional work, and one that is expanding. Today they announced a 8th weekday MAN-ABZ flight. And although quite a few new routes haven't worked out for them, they aren't afraid to try new ones. Its just LHR flights were they could becoming BLI

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 11):
Manchester - What hub?! At this rate BMI will no longer have a hub there, in a years time and all the A330's will be flying fro LHR!

I wouldn't call MAN a hub for bmi, more like a transatlantic gateway or focus city. bmi mianline/regional only serve 4 destinations in the UK, and only one in Europe

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 12):
Perhaps BD could open up SNN - LHR when EI runs!

They are in early talks to do so apparently. Will depend on the package SNN can provide

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 12):
Talk of BD dropping Belfast City are also rumoured - what is it with The Province that is causing the UK airlines to run? Is it U2 or is that that EI is considered strong enough to unseat them?

Apparently bookings so far on EI's BFS-LHR are very poor (think an article about this was posted on Irish Aviation)

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 12):
If one is going point - to - point for leisure, say, the train is OK but for business people it can be a lot of hassle - think delays, break-downs, track maintenance, replacement buses and all that! If the railways ran generally smoothly then yes

The trains are getting better and attracting business passengers, LPL-LCY has been a casualty. Manchester will get a turn up and go service every 20 minutes to London soon. But as I said in reply 7, and you did, this is no good for connecting passengers. Far more of a concern to VLM than BA and bmi



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2578 times:
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Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 11):
but on the other hand airlines like LH could cash in and start flights to their hub and divert further traffic away from LHR!

LH ops at MAN = 4 daily FRA, 3 daily MUC, 4 weekdaily DUS and 2 weekdaily HAM. LH opes at the other BD airports with links to LHR: EDI has 2 FRA services err....that's it!. So possible room for expansion is there, but I'd imagine that they pitch any routes in association with BD at 2 daily CRJ/ERJ and build up from there but do they/BD have sufficient spare aircraft to do that

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 11):
Manchester - What hub?! At this rate BMI will no longer have a hub there, in a years time and all the A330's will be flying fro LHR!

Well they have announced a 7th weekdaily service today on the ABZ-MAN route; GLA and EDI runs about 6 times per weekday What's needed are additional thin Euro routes alongside the daily LYS service. Throw in the LH and SK schedules with the BD long-haul and there is the makings of a small Star Alliance hub for northern England (dare I say northern UK). Of all the MAN bmibaby routes, I'd extract the BFS one to make it a BD service at 5 or 6 weekdaily (again subject to spare aircraft) and leave the rest as they are but they should be able to add a destination or two with the "spare" aircraft.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 14):
EDI has 2 FRA services

3  Wink



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User currently offlineN383PA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Well I have got the feeling that BD has the cake and eat it! However I have to say that you guys are spot on, BD doesn't know what they are doing! Nothing really makes sense, if you want to expand then make yourself clear from where you want to operate!!

Let it be either MAN or LHR, but make a decision to go forward. With this open sky agreement,BD would be better off to wait and see the competition sorting it amongst them self. Personally I cant see that the amount of people travelling transatlantic is going through the roof!

So we wait and see what will happen.But I think that all the airlines get too overexcited!!!

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