Lh600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 142 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9869 times:
I found these pictures of Blue Sky Airlines...these 747-400 seem to be ex-United Airlines sold/leased to Iran Air and Mahan. Does anyone know anymore about this.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 18525 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9853 times:
Those planes were lease returns during UA's Ch11 filing. What their owners decid to do have nothing to do with United.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11095 posts, RR: 69 Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9811 times:
Blue Sky Airlines is not an Iranian carrier. Their three ex-UA 747-400s were originally registered in the UK and then were recently re-registered in Armenia.
Foreign airlines wet-leasing their western aircraft to Iranian carriers is not an uncommon practice.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
LH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 142 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9582 times:
Will the 747s be repainted into Iran Air/ Mahan colors???
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 16409 posts, RR: 63 Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9545 times:
Tozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 660 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9361 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1): Those planes were lease returns during UA's Ch11 filing. What their owners decid to do have nothing to do with United.
Thank goodness, I was starting to have nightmares of a Tehran TDY base! Still, it's pretty amazing to see the same UA interior with genesis seats and all in an Iranian airliner. Ranks pretty high in the weird department. I guess they will have plenty of spare parts for those seats soon (new UA interiors, and all).
Shahram16216 From Iran, joined Feb 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9203 times:
Yes! Another EX-UA 744 with registration EK-74763 and cn: 24363/740 in Blue Sky c/s is used for spare parts at Mahan Air hanger ! I think for those 2 other 744's.I try to find shots from this one in this iranian website www.iraviation.com
Shahram16216 From Iran, joined Feb 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9055 times:
This is EK-74763 with cn: 24363/740 that was be N172UA in United Airlines! now this aircraft is near Mahan hanger ( Fajr Ashian ) near Mehrabad Int'l airport in Tehran and using for spare parts.
you can click on the registration number and see more photos of it.and if the page can not be displayed or has another problem,refresh the page.It's working I tried
LH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 142 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8829 times:
so did they lease these planes to them of did IR and Mahan purchase them???
FlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8775 times:
Quoting LH600 (Reply 8): so did they lease these planes to them of did IR and Mahan purchase them???
Shahram16216 From Iran, joined Feb 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8271 times:
yes.Mahan bought them via Blue Sky.all 3 B744 are for Mahan now.
They can't fly to europe.Mahan uses them only for some domestic and Asian destinations like Bangkok.and you know one of them is operated by Iran Air for hadj flights.
the main reason that they bought these 3 B744 was planing flights to USA and Canada because almost 1 year ago Iranian government talked about 2 new and strange destinations: Vancover and LA !
LH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 142 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8070 times:
Quoting Shahram16216 (Reply 11): The main reason that they bought these 3 B744 was planing flights to USA and Canada because almost 1 year ago Iranian government talked about 2 new and strange destinations: Vancover and LA !
I heard when IR even tryed to start flying to Montreal a while ago, the US govenment put pressure on the Canadians not to allow it.
Zvocio79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5291 times:
Quoting Curious (Reply 10): UA of course would never lease or sell palnes to Iranian airlines. I have heard that Mahan owns them through a front company Blue Sky.
why not????? if you gotta sell you sell, its all good business, is not like they would be selling military aircraft or anything like it......would they rather park it somewhere?
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7285 posts, RR: 56 Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5208 times:
Quoting LH600 (Reply 12): Why cant they fly to Europe?
Mahan have been banned from UK airspace on safety grounds. Hopefully they'll return soon as their A310 services to Birmingham and Manchester were always full.
Quoting LH600 (Reply 12): I heard when IR even tryed to start flying to Montreal a while ago, the US govenment put pressure on the Canadians not to allow it.
Shameful. How can we ever reconcile our differences if we're not allowed to meet face to face?
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 10143 posts, RR: 66 Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5165 times:
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 15): Mahan have been banned from UK airspace on safety grounds. Hopefully they'll return soon as their A310 services to Birmingham and Manchester were always full.
If a little low at times
It's quite ironic with this debate about ex UA 747s going to Iran through a lease agreement; just over 30 years ago it was the other way around when Iran Air actually sold Pan Am a couple of 742s! How times change...
Nosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4789 times:
Quoting Zvocio79 (Reply 14):
why not????? if you gotta sell you sell, its all good business, is not like they would be selling military aircraft or anything like it......would they rather park it somewhere?
Quote: The ITR prohibit the exportation, reexportation, sale or supply, directly or indirectly,
from the United States or by a U.S. person, wherever located, of any goods, technology
or services to Iran or the Government of Iran. This prohibition also applies to the
exportation, reexportation, sale or supply of goods to a person in a third country
undertaken with knowledge or reason to know that the goods are intended specifically for
supply, transshipment or reexportation, directly or indirectly, to Iran or the Government
of Iran. ITR, § 560.204. The ITR also prohibit the reexportation by a non-U.S. person
from a third country, directly or indirectly, to Iran or the Government of Iran of any
goods that have been exported from the United States, if the exportation of such goods
from the United States to Iran was subject to export license application requirements
under any United States regulations in effect on May 6, 1995, or thereafter was made
subject to such requirements imposed independently of the ITR. ITR, § 560.205.
The above is from one of the PDFs - Exports/Aircraft Safety (Iran)- on the website above. While the PDF is not official document wording, it does give you explanations and the proper legal source.
Long story short: You cannot sell goods to Iran, and you cannot sell to people who you know who will sell your goods to Iran. Now, there are some exceptions, but if you think such exceptions are commonplace, I have an ocean an Kansas to sell you.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 17788 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4673 times:
Quoting Nosedive (Reply 20): Long story short: You cannot sell goods to Iran, and you cannot sell to people who you know who will sell your goods to Iran. Now, there are some exceptions, but if you think such exceptions are commonplace, I have an ocean an Kansas to sell you.
GE was granted an exception a year or so (on safety grounds) to supply CF6 engine parts to IR to comply with an airworthiness directive.
Tozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 660 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4545 times:
Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 19): Hey, I know it was in jest, but Tehran is a wonderful city...
Gus.
It was in jest, but somehow I doubt I could feel at home there. I could be wrong but.....
LH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 142 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4354 times:
So are the 747s being painted to W5 and IR colors??
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 22508 posts, RR: 60 Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4339 times:
Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 19): Hey, I know it was in jest, but Tehran is a wonderful city...
Gus.
Exactly, I was really impressed by Tehran and the hospitality. Some of the best food you will ever have and some of the nicest people.
Hopefully IR will be allowed to renew their fleet. I would like to see them get A330's . The 747's would look nicer in IR blue seats rather than the UA ones. Hopefully they will ripp them out .
OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ "Η ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΨΗΛΑ" "GREECE FLYING HIGH"
Rdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4332 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 24): Exactly, I was really impressed by Tehran and the hospitality. Some of the best food you will ever have and some of the nicest people.
As some of our Persian brethren on A.net would attest, Tehran is pretty cosmopolitan. However, as Tozairport said, it's not for everyone.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 22508 posts, RR: 60 Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4318 times:
Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 25): As some of our Persian brethren on A.net would attest, Tehran is pretty cosmopolitan. However, as Tozairport said, it's not for everyone.
Gus.
Yes its very restrictive but I did enjoy it. When in Rome and all that . Just respect the local cultures. One thing im sure every educated traveller would do anyway. Azadi tower was great to see and in the evenings we went what seemed like towards the mountains to restaurants . Apparantly its where couples go to be together to be away from the authorities. Took a trip down on a IR 727 to Shiraz and saw Persepolis (Takt e Jamshid). Was amazing. Even saw a few American tourists!!!! I loved Iran Air and Iran.
OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ "Η ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΨΗΛΑ" "GREECE FLYING HIGH"
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7285 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4307 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 24): The 747's would look nicer in IR blue seats rather than the UA ones
Yeah, with yellow headrests. Very nice.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 24): I was really impressed by Tehran and the hospitality. Some of the best food you will ever have and some of the nicest people.
Yes, although I wasn't as worried as all my "please don't go to Iran" friends who begged me to avoid great danger etc, I was amazed how friendly and cultured Iranians are, and English to a high standard is almost universal, not just in Tehran but Shiraz, Isfahan, Kish etc. Also surprised that it's almost a completely secular country, the prayer area at the airports were always pretty much empty (even on the day of a big air disaster in another Iranian city), never heard the call to prayer - unfortunately, cos it sounds wicked in a big city bouncing off the walls of high rise buildings, mixing with car horns and 707s as in Beirut. It's just a big old country right in the middle of Eurasia that's been rocking and rolling uninterrupted for thousands of years with a really awesome young population of 80m. You really should go there.
25 Silentbob: What an overly simplistic statement. There is no way to reconcile with the current Iranian administration, given their statements and actions. That's
26 WesternA318: Same with TWA too, wasnt that the case of N93119?
27 Nosedive: I think people would start asking questions if some brand spankin' new A330s and/or 747-400s in Tehran. The rest of it, I don't have the numbers, but
28 Cedarjet: Not that much. The aviation sector, while booming in passenger numbers, is pretty much what they were left with when they kicked out the Shah in 79 e
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