DeltaFFinDFW From United States, joined Sep 2003, 1244 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6463 times:
Not a real surprise....
Northwest spokesman Roman Blashoski told me that "Northwest has decided that the LaGuardia slots allocated to the DFW service would be better utilized in our key Heartland markets, and as a result we have now assigned the LGA slots to provide new nonstop services to Des Moines, Iowa; Flint, Mich.; and Madison, Wis."
Paladin87 From United States, joined Jun 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6451 times:
Sxf24 From United States, joined Aug 2007, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted Sat Aug 18 2007 02:32:13 your local time (1 week 6 days 14 hours 32 minutes ago) and read 496 times:
All flights are zeroed out - appears to be canceled before it even stared.
Never made sense in the first place. Taking on AA at DFW is not likely to pay in any case, but choosing LGA of all places! AA was guaranteed to defend that market at all costs.
Makes me wonder if they were they serious or was it a bizarre market ploy?
Jcavinato From United States, joined Jan 2005, 461 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6383 times:
Yeah, it would have been only O-D traffic, whereby AA gets a lot of on-going traffic on those flights. When arriving at DFW on them, it seems the F/A goes on forever with connection information. And, sometimes it's to some seemingly out of the way destination: SEA, SFO, SJU, and others.
SkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6383 times:
Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 2): Makes me wonder if they were they serious or was it a bizarre market ploy?
It probably sounded good to someone on paper, but someone smarter obviously figured it out. Even had they gone through with it, it wouldn't have lasted a month.
Floridaflyboy From United States, joined Jun 2006, 1682 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6369 times:
Quoting Jcavinato (Reply 3): When arriving at DFW on them, it seems the F/A goes on forever with connection information. And, sometimes it's to some seemingly out of the way destination: SEA, SFO, SJU, and others.
Ummh, yes, this is because DFW is AA's largest hub. It's designed to be that way.
Stapleton From United States, joined exactly 3 years ago today! , 245 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6277 times:
It absolutely made sense when you understand that AA had announced MSP-LGA. Neither one makes sense by themselves but once one was done, the other makes sense. What is more important is that NW decided that it would be better to flight AA in markets where they do have brand loyalty such as Flint, Des Moines and Madison than to use those slots in a market they cannot control simply for retaliatory reasons. The "old" NW probably wouldn't have come to their senses.
LAXdude1023 From United States, joined Sep 2006, 4353 posts, RR: 22 Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6122 times:
Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 2): Makes me wonder if they were they serious or was it a bizarre market ploy?
This is what I think. It was flat out boneheaded to do in the first place. Taking on AA at DFW??? No way!!!
Quoting Stapleton (Reply 7): It absolutely made sense when you understand that AA had announced MSP-LGA. Neither one makes sense by themselves but once one was done, the other makes sense.
Honestly I think NW tried to play "Chicken" with AA and lost. NW blinked first. But honestly I think its for the best. NW can make better use of the planes and slots elsewhere.
To be honest I saw this coming from the moment they announced it.
Stapleton From United States, joined exactly 3 years ago today! , 245 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6067 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9): Honestly I think NW tried to play "Chicken" with AA and lost. NW blinked first. But honestly I think its for the best. NW can make better use of the planes and slots elsewhere.
This is the game airlines play. AA serving MSP-LGA makes no more sense than NW serving DFW-LGA. My take would be that NW figured this out. The thing about the game of chicken is that most of the time, it is better not to play it at all. Let the other guy be stupid.
Mke717spotter From United States, joined Dec 2005, 1489 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5964 times:
Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 10): So does this mean NW MSN-LGA to compete with MQ?
That's right. Its nice to see that MSN is steadily gaining new P2P routes.
PanAm747 From United States, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5857 times:
Quote: AA serving MSP-LGA makes no more sense than NW serving DFW-LGA.
Actually, the NYC area has a VERY large number of loyal AAdvantage members, so American's LGA-MSP is not aimed primarily at Minnesota travellers, but at New York travellers heading for the Twin Cities.
As for DFW-LGA on NW, there was a VERY long debate on this:
NWAA330 From United States, joined Jun 2003, 196 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5779 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9): Honestly I think NW tried to play "Chicken" with AA and lost. NW blinked first. But honestly I think its for the best. NW can make better use of the planes and slots elsewhere.
To be honest I saw this coming from the moment they announced it.
LGA777 From United States, joined Jul 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 28 Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5634 times:
Since there appears to be no press release yet and I just wasted 15 mins trying to check schedules on NW's crappy website with no luck anyone know will these routes be CRJ, Mainline, or perhaps Compass ? Personally I could not imagine doing DSM-LGA in a 50 seat CRJ.
FURUREFA From United States, joined Feb 2004, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5604 times:
Quoting Jcavinato (Reply 3): When arriving at DFW on them, it seems the F/A goes on forever with connection information. And, sometimes it's to some seemingly out of the way destination: SEA, SFO, SJU, and others.
If an F/A reads a destination of the connection list, that means a passenger is traveling to that destination on your flight. I've heard a HPN connection on a LGA-ORD flight (probably a mileage runner).
TOLtommy From United States, joined Dec 2003, 2583 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5449 times:
Quoting LGA777 (Reply 17): anyone know will these routes be CRJ, Mainline, or perhaps Compass ? Personally I could not imagine doing DSM-LGA in a 50 seat CRJ.
Mainline?
The flights are competing with Eagle. They'll be CRJ's
Its really a shame that NW is opening these markets purely out of spite. TOL has almost $1 MILLION in grant money for NYC service. In a market they'd have to themselves, yet we can't get the service.
Jibny From United States, joined Jul 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5442 times:
Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 18): I've heard a HPN connection on a LGA-ORD flight (probably a mileage runner).
"Honey, I am going to be a little late today coming home from the office."
"Why?"
"Well, looks like there is some traffic on the Whitestone Bridge, so I am just going to fly through Chicago."
AltairF28 From United States, joined Dec 2005, 106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5435 times:
Quoting LGA777 (Reply 17): anyone know will these routes be CRJ, Mainline, or perhaps Compass ? Personally I could not imagine doing DSM-LGA in a 50 seat CRJ.
I would guess DSM and MSN would be CR9's-both cities are getting their DCA flight upgraded from a CRJ in October. FNT would probably be a CRJ, although I have an odd feeling it'll be a Diesel-9.
The other question is who gets the 2 A319's they were going to use on this route. At least one probably goes to the route that loses the CR9.
A detour is a choice between two tasks, each with its own pros and cons
HPAEAA From United States, joined May 2006, 995 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5311 times:
Quoting Bok269 (Reply 16): NW LGA-DFW is just a childish revenge tactic and a waste of slots.
The Legacy carriers all operate from their hubs to other carriers hubs. It Really isn't a big deal.
Probably... but you have to admit the route could use the capacity..
DFW NYC
AA 2119 $286.00 65.80%
CO 526t $274.00 16.35%
I almost wish NW had added.. the fares are quite high and the flights are quite full on the route even with advanced purchase... Don't get me wrong NW sent a message, the fare war and discounted tickets sent a clear message to AA... But never the less it's interesting they didn't follow through...
WingnutMN From United States, joined Jan 2004, 428 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4945 times:
DSM-LGA will be 9E. I believe that XJ will take it over with a CRJ2 when get some of the deliveries from 9E, but definetly when they (XJ) finish building their MX facility in DSM next fall this will be all XJ.
WingnutMN
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! It's a bonus if you can fly the plane again!!
27 Incitatus: It is not a question of making sense. It is a question of making money. American has service out of NY into major cities such Los Angeles and San Fra
28 Bok269: Beats the traffic getting to/from the Mets game.
29 FWAERJ: I thought that NW starting DFW-LGA was just a publicity stunt from the get-go just as revenge for a certain AAirline. Now it looks like it was nothing
30 PSU.DTW.SCE: The big difference with AA MSP-LGA was that is going in with 3x MD-80, whereas say Eagle runs DTW-LGA with 5x or 6x ERJ-135's. If AA has run a few RJ'
31 Johnyv: So what will NW do for the people who were booded on the DFW-LGA flights! Refund their money or buy them a ticket on AA? Thus defeating their original
32 DTWAGENT: Add to the fact the FNT is not that far from Detroit and Northern Oakland county customers. NWA is trying to build up their flights to the business an
33 ChiGB1973: Put them on a connecting NW flight. M
34 MAH4546: They aren't trying to build up FNT. They are simply trying to run American Eagle out of LGA-MSN/FNT/DSM. And, if they succeded, Northwest will quickl
35 Fleet Service: I've no idea what the yields are like on LGA-DSM or LGA-MSN, but I've worked the Eagle pier in the bagroom on overtime regularly the past few weeks an
36 Smcmac32msn: Just like NW did to Allegiant here in MSN. Allegiant leaves for RFD, and about a month or two later, NW drops the MSN-LAS flight.
37 Burnsie28: Its not that hard, and the website is easy to use its going to be Pinnacle airlines. At the same time NW has quite the FF base out of DSM. They dropp
38 WesternA318: Isnt LGA/JFK designated a hub by AA?
39 MAH4546: No. AA has only five hubs - Dallas, Miami, O'Hare, St. Louis, and San Juan.
40 WesternA318: WOW...not even LAX? I thought that was a hub as well..
41 MAH4546: No, LAX is a focus city. As are Boston, JFK, LaGuardia, and Raleigh. Some people would say that Austin and Fort Lauderdale are AA focus cities, as we
42 Toxtethogrady: Perhaps someone can explain why DFW and IAH, sitting in the midst of the two hottest job markets in the country (Dallas-FW and Houston) are both exper
43 Toxtethogrady: Perhaps someone can explain why DFW and IAH, sitting in the midst of the two hottest job markets in the country (Dallas-FW and Houston) are both exper
44 Sllevin: Except that LGA is a significant operation for AA; after all, at one time it was their HQ! Steve
45 Dbo861: When did the second Eagle departure to DSM begin? I was only knew of the one.
46 MAH4546: There is only one daily flight on LGA-DSM, and Eagle does not plan on adding any others in the immediate future.
47 MAH4546: In other news, Flint airport officials have made it very clear they do not welcome Northwest into the Flint-LaGuardia market, for obvious reasons: htt
48 PSU.DTW.SCE: Airport officials had been begging NW for years to start FNT-LGA, which fell on deaf ears. Along with that, the airport repeatedly filed SCASD grants
49 Iowaman: Well that crappy schedule alone for business travel will help Eagle stay alive. I don't think they are begging for it now.[Edited 2007-09-05 16:11:48
50 Flyinryan99: Don't forget, you will still be able to connect at either MSP or DTW. I think having a ton of connecting opportunities will be able to compliment the
51 Smcmac32msn: But the whole point of the schedule of making places point-to-point is for daytime business travellers. What good is it gonna do to get to Manhattan
52 PSU.DTW.SCE: NW's DSM-LGA trip more or less makes use of an aircraft/slots at off-peak time. NW has 3 slots available, not all of which can be used at the same ti
53 Sllevin: The trouble with the non-stop is that it will garner very little of the premium business traffic, because it offers no advantages over connecting fro
55 CO777DAL: Weather! Weather! Weather! Dallas and Houston, heck most of Texas has had an unseasonable raining and stormy summer, especially in June and July. The
56 NWAESC: Lots, apparently....According to www.faremeasure.com, there's 272 pax/daily between MSN & LGA. Granted, that's all 4 airports (well, I'm counting HPN
57 Smcmac32msn: Also note that the MSN-NYC is the most populace route, by far. New York - 272 San Francisco - 146 Denver - 129 Washington DC - 123 Boston - 113 Phoen
58 PSU.DTW.SCE: I meant to say SAME-DAY roundtrips to where it is imperative to have flight time to allow for such business. Even with AA or NW's schedule as good as
59 Yellowtail: WN is firmly entrenced in both Dallas and Houston, albeit at different airports.....WN for the most part peacefully co-exist with CO in Houston.....A
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