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New Routes For CO After 739ER Deliveries?  
User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

Will CO be moving the 752s to new destinations from EWR or will they increase frequencies on existing flights in US & Europe? Also, will the new 737-900ERs be used for new routes and increased frequencies or just to increase frequencies?

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17004 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4275 times:

I think that CO will use the Boeing 737-900ER to replace the domestic 757 flights. Maybe the 767 to. Then they will use this 757/767s to expand into Europe and south America.


Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4263 times:

I think some EWR-west coast flights will have the ER. I also think their addition will also help open up some newer year-round routes like CLE-SEA with either 738, 739, or 9ER equipment.

User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
I think that CO will use the Boeing 737-900ER to replace the domestic 757 flights. Maybe the 767 to. Then they will use this 757/767s to expand into Europe and south America.

Like the IAH-EWR 762 & LAX-HNL 764?


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6000 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Possible routes:

EWR--SFO/LAX/SEA/IAH/CARRIBEAN MARKET

IAH--EWR/LAX/SFO/CARRIBEAN MARKET

CLE-EWR for EWR feed

I don't think the 739ER will fly many new routes, but could open the door for 757/767 to fly new routes and generally just be redeployed.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

How about some US - Mexico routes?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

One new route we know for sure for 2008 is CLE-CDG, this route is made possible either from the 737-900ER freeing up a 757-200 from a domestic route or from the 757-300 taking over IAH-LIM.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 5):
How about some US - Mexico routes?

Probably EWR-CUN, I flew EWR-CUN with my Wife in January 2002 on a CO 737-900. The aircraft was brand new and was a great flight, the 737-900ER is the right capacity for EWR-CUN which CO runs 3xs daily.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineDLBOIFIN From Finland, joined Jun 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

I would not be surprised to see either 752 or 762 on EWR-HEL (Finally!!) route. This has been speculated so long so I think it will materialize rather sooner than later.

User currently offlineN383PA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Why not using the B739 on the transatlantic services to places like DUB/SNN/BFS? At least during the winter season when demand is low.  Wink

User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

When will they be getting the 739ER's?

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6000 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting N383PA (Reply 9):

I don't think they have the range. They are ER, but its not that much of an increase in range.

DUB-EWR 3176nm


737-900er range 3,200nm (in 2 class with aux tanks)

ASSFO

[Edited 2007-09-02 19:56:02]


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 11):
I don't think they have the range. They are ER, but its not that much of an increase in range.

DUB-EWR 3176nm


737-900er range 3,200nm (in 2 class with aux tanks)

Did CO order them with aux tanks?



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

So that means the DUB route would be pusing it to the limit, correct? Would be cool to see the first non-BBJ 737 crossing the atlantic though!

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6000 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Yes, specially with headwinds.There are a few equations.

~Is the range Boeing post the all equipment onboard (PTV,ETOPS equipment, etc)
~Did CO order the aux tanks (I don't know)
~Would they fly with blocked seats (defeats the purpose)

What I think we are looking at is that the 739ER will just replace 757's on trans-con, allowing them to fly the pond and other destination.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
What I think we are looking at is that the 739ER will just replace 757's on trans-con, allowing them to fly the pond and other destination.

Exactly, CO will only fly aircraft with BusinessFirst Cabins on Trans-Atlantic routes, that means 757-200s, 767-200s, 767-400s, 777-200ERs, and eventually the 787-8 and 787-9.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5064 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

The definitive answers thus far from similar post:

NO 737s TRANSATLANTIC. The ERs are not international birds as CO is fitting them with domestic first and not BF. They are mainly going on transcon routes, Alaska, and EWR-Carribbean/Mexico.

IAH-EWR or LAX-HNL -- NO: The IAH-EWR runs are also positioning flights for COs 767s. LAX-HNL needs the cargo lift of the 764.



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineN383PA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 16):
NO 737s TRANSATLANTIC. The ERs are not international birds as CO is fitting them with domestic first and not BF.

Well didn't the B757 start off as domestic birds? I can't see why CO shouldn't use the B739 for those transatlantics.

I guess the real question is:

1. What does boeing mean with 2 class config ie how many seats?
2. Is the range of 3200nm incl 45min diversion fuel
3. Would the B739 make enough revenue if it would be fitted with BF and the standard CO Y seating?

Bear in mind this is all theory, however not impossible.  Wink


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2807 times:

Quoting N383PA (Reply 17):
Well didn't the B757 start off as domestic birds? I can't see why CO shouldn't use the B739 for those transatlantics.

CO took delivery of their first 757-200 in 1994, in 1995 they launched their first Trans-Atlantic 757 route (EWR-MAN). Obviously CO had intentions of flying their 757-200s on Trans-Atlantic routes from the beginning. Again the 737-900ER is for domestic service, it will replace 757-200s operating domestic and Latin American routes from IAH so that the 757-200s can concentrate at EWR and open up more Trans-Atlantic routes. It will also replace some 737-800s on Trans-Con flights from EWR.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSRQCrosscheck From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2779 times:

Quoting N383PA (Reply 17):
Well didn't the B757 start off as domestic birds? I can't see why CO shouldn't use the B739 for those transatlantics.

The 757s are overachievers on short domestic routes, but they are good when they're used on these dense, short-range shuttle flights in North America and Europe because they're cheaper to run. The plane wears many hats successfully: short but heavily-travelled hops; airports that require special, high-performance equipment; medium-density transcontinental flights; and long-but-thin routes. Flights across the Atlantic do seem to push the plane close to its limits, though.

The 739 isn't nearly as capable as the 757 on long-but-thin routes where high-performance specifications are a must.

Cheers


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2769 times:

Quoting SRQCrosscheck (Reply 19):
The 739 isn't nearly as capable as the 757 on long-but-thin routes where high-performance specifications are a must.

So I doubt we'll see the 739/739ER out here in hot n high SLC?



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 20):
The 739 isn't nearly as capable as the 757 on long-but-thin routes where high-performance specifications are a must.

So I doubt we'll see the 739/739ER out here in hot n high SLC?

SLC is not hot and High, La Paz Bolivia is hot and high and someplace where the 757-200 performed well for Eastern and AA. Boeing also sent 757-300s to La Paz for hot and high testing.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
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