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GoJet Adds 4 More CRJ-700s To Fleet  
User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

Sounds like the fleet is going to go up to 19 by 2009. The 4 aircraft added will be used under United Express with deliveries in 2008/2009.

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User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Quoting Penguinflies (Thread starter):
Sounds like the fleet is going to go up to 19 by 2009. The 4 aircraft added will be used under United Express with deliveries in 2008/2009.

Anything new with Trans States out of STL?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Aren't they CRJ700's? I thought AC Jazz only flew the 705.

Hunter



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Sounds goods.

UA has indicated it would take as many 70 seaters its partners could provide. Only last week Republic announced it had signed for 10 more E-170s with United. The three cabin ExPlus (F, Y+, Y) product has really been received well and allowed UA to supplement its mainline domestic fleet.



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User currently offlineAirbusaddict From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

I wonder if they would ever start FSD-IAD with a CR7 or E170 with one flight a day.


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User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Yeah Hunter, you are right, I dunno what the heck I was thinking, the press release says 700.

-Penguin


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2281 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 4):
wonder if they would ever start FSD-IAD with a CR7 or E170 with one flight a day.

you pose a good question. A think alot of the strong midwestern stations for UA like DSM, CID, MLI, FSD etc should be connected to the IAD hub, even if that comes at the expense of an ORD flight. Connections could be made at IAD for east coast and southeast destinations, not to mention built in O/D traffic to the DC area. ORD is busting at the seems while IAD could handle more traffic flows.


User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3399 times:

haha, FSD just got mainline back...hold on to that. We need to prove that the market is there before we schedule 2+ hour runs on a crj or emb. If that were to happen, I would expect Skywest to take that route.

Speaking of Trans States, there is no solid release, but rumor is there are more opportunities if they can find aircraft.


User currently offlineOBSMGR From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 47 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting Penguinflies (Reply 7):
haha, FSD just got mainline back...hold on to that. We need to prove that the market is there before we schedule 2+ hour runs on a crj or emb. If that were to happen, I would expect Skywest to take that route.

I wouldnt be so quick to assume Skywest would do it. Skywest has 0 operations in IAD.
Pleanty of other 70 seat operators in IAD that could handle the route(s).



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User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3367 times:

then you'll get mesa, and they will crap on performance, and GoJet will have to pick up some slack.

User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3366 times:

I don't think GoJet could pick up any slack. That is a bigger scumbag outfit than Mesa could ever dream of...

User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3348 times:

haha, tell that to the pilot's union, so far, from what I've seen, they are happy to add flying.

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3333 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 10):
I don't think GoJet could pick up any slack. That is a bigger scumbag outfit than Mesa could ever dream of...

Has GoJet been having trouble with staffing? I don't disagree with your assement, but I'd only heard about Mesa CXing tons of UAX flying.



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting Penguinflies (Reply 11):
haha, tell that to the pilot's union, so far, from what I've seen, they are happy to add flying.

 Angry
I'm sure they are happy to steal more flying which should be on the TSA seniority list.

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 10):
I don't think GoJet could pick up any slack. That is a bigger scumbag outfit than Mesa could ever dream of...

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Although Mesa unsuprisingly pioneered this crap when the started Freedom. Thank goodness the Mesa ALPA group stood up to JO and ended the two seniority list whipsaw. Hopefully when contract time comes around at TSA, they can force Hulas to merge the seniority lists, preferrably with GoJet stapled to the bottom of the TSA list.



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User currently offlineAirbusaddict From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Why do they have DSM-IAD (or DCA, i cant remember), when they could get a similar amount of passengers at FSD? Couldnt they get a similar amount plus the O and D traffic on those flights?


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 14):
Why do they have DSM-IAD (or DCA, i cant remember), when they could get a similar amount of passengers at FSD? Couldnt they get a similar amount plus the O and D traffic on those flights?

Go jets doesn't fly DSM-IAD for United.

Northwest flies DSM-DCA.


You think that FSD would get similar numbers to DSM? DSM has, (read carefully), twice the amount of O&D to Washington as FSD. DSM is also a larger area with a larger catchment population. Also, the State capital - Washington DC flights usually pick up a good amount of business traffic.

FSD isnt all you seem to think it is.


User currently offlineAirbusaddict From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Hmm, lets think here now:

1. A South Dakota Senator lives in Sioux Falls
2. Sanford Health (One of the largest hospitals in the midwest) has many personnel travel to DC to other hospitals
3. Citibank, Wells Fargo, US Bank all have Northern US State bases in Sioux Falls that also travel to the capitol

Sanford and the banks also go to MKE as well, which could entice YX with the D328's that are opening from CR2 upgrades to OMA and DLH.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9324 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 16):

If there was a market for Sioux Falls, airlines would be there by now.



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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 16):
1. A South Dakota Senator lives in Sioux Falls

Wow. good for him.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12241 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3025 times:
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Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 16):
Hmm, lets think here now:

1. A South Dakota Senator lives in Sioux Falls
2. Sanford Health (One of the largest hospitals in the midwest) has many personnel travel to DC to other hospitals
3. Citibank, Wells Fargo, US Bank all have Northern US State bases in Sioux Falls that also travel to the capitol

Sanford and the banks also go to MKE as well, which could entice YX with the D328's that are opening from CR2 upgrades to OMA and DLH.

All of which are served much better with FSD-MSP or FSD-ORD.

Well, except for the senator maybe, but I don't think they'll start a route for him alone....



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 10):
I don't think GoJet could pick up any slack. That is a bigger scumbag outfit than Mesa could ever dream of...

Absolutely sir. Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think you can call them scabs per-se, but they certainly are a new breed of hyper-scab, for sure.

A friend of mine was all about going there, "to fly big CRJ's", till I informed him that he'll never work for a union airline again. Not to mention the majority of their pilots are former TWA pilots, which I kind of don't blame them- they did get shafted by ALPA and APA.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 13):
Although Mesa unsuprisingly pioneered this crap when the started Freedom. Thank goodness the Mesa ALPA group stood up to JO and ended the two seniority list whipsaw. Hopefully when contract time comes around at TSA, they can force Hulas to merge the seniority lists, preferrably with GoJet stapled to the bottom of the TSA list.

Yeah I bet TSA and Chautauqua BOTH want to merge back into their holdings company as both airlines got screwed by their American Connection Contracts. TSA's contract should be re-upped around 2010. Thankfully American ownes those EMB's that we are flying, they need to go get brokend-up in some desert (my opinion).

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):
You think that FSD would get similar numbers to DSM? DSM has, (read carefully), twice the amount of O&D to Washington as FSD. DSM is also a larger area with a larger catchment population. Also, the State capital - Washington DC flights usually pick up a good amount of business traffic.

If I remember correctly, United use to operate DSM-ORD-DCA same plane on a 757 for the am and evening departure.


--GoJet pilots do have a contract that was signed with Hulas in August. You gotta remember thou, some of the captains at GoJet are ex-TWA, and they remember how ALPA treated them before. Most young capts, from what I hear, leave GoJet to fly for Southwest, Continental and JetBlue, one or two left to fly cargo with a large, ALPA-union carrier as well. I had few friends leave to fly corporate Challengers as well.

I hear the contract didn't change much of how management treated pilots, it just clarified how they are going to be treated. From what I've seen, less Juniors, more time at home, and opening of a Chicago Pilot Base for G7.


User currently offlineAllegiantAir From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 16):
1. A South Dakota Senator lives in Sioux Falls

Oh, yup, I'm sure FSD will get IAD service just for him.  Yeah sure Probably has his own plane anyway...



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 12):
Has GoJet been having trouble with staffing? I don't disagree with your assement, but I'd only heard about Mesa CXing tons of UAX flying.

Not on the pilot-side at least. Plenty of young potential-scabs out there who want their job and aren't good enough to get hired elsewhere!!

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 20):
Absolutely sir. Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think you can call them scabs per-se, but they certainly are a new breed of hyper-scab, for sure.

They aren't scabs in the true literal sense, but everyone treats them as such anyway.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 20):
A friend of mine was all about going there, "to fly big CRJ's", till I informed him that he'll never work for a union airline again.

Not to mention, all of the other "perks" of becoming a scab.....being denied jumpseats, having your bag shipped off to the ass-end of nowhere, etc etc.



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