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City Star Go Longhaul: ABZ-IAH Announced!  
User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5128 posts, RR: 34
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

Well it was only a matter of time before someone announced it... with the runway due to be extended this winter, this route was crying out for an operator...

Both KLM and CO were rumoured, but its city star who are the first to announce service! Flight will operate 4 times weekly with a 757-200 VIP with 50 seats.

http://www.citystarairlines.com/content/view/93/92/lang,en/


That'll teach you
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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

It's this winter. That's good, I could do with a little more take-off run for my PA-28.

User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Big jump from their D328 operation! I wonder where they will get the aircraft from?

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7528 times:

If this pans out, who reckons some shiny new modern aircraft could be on the cards?

User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5128 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7431 times:

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 2):
Big jump from their D328 operation! I wonder where they will get the aircraft from?

not only that, but where is it going to go for the 3 days a week it isnt flying to houston?

Quoting Glom (Reply 3):
If this pans out, who reckons some shiny new modern aircraft could be on the cards?

doubt it, the current fleet of 328s is more than adequate for their current ops.

Quoting Glom (Reply 1):
It's this winter.

Work is due to start at the end of the summer season. I cant see it being complete for january, so will they be able to operate with a 757 off the current runway?



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User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

No doubt the Aberdeen fan club could have done with it to fly to Dnepropetrovsk! And they can always swap their 328 for it for their weekend jollies to Manchester!

User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

I wonder how much they're counting on Norwegian feed for this flight to work.

from the press release:

“City Star Airlines already links Aberdeen Airport with major Norwegian Oil and Gas, business and shipping destinations. It made sense for City Star Executive to offer this wider business community another choice to fly executives between pairs of cities, for the first time ever, making connections possible between Stavanger (as well as Olso (sic), Bergen, Kristiansund and Alesund) via Aberdeen Airport to Houston Intercontinental Airport.”

I wonder further if SVG-IAH might make up the other 3 days a week when service gets off the ground.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

Great news for Houston and the IAH community.  Smile


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3924 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

Indeed good news for IAH. Good to have not only a new carrier but a new European destination added to IAH's roster.

Thomas



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User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 2):
Big jump from their D328 operation! I wonder where they will get the aircraft from?

i'd guess Titan, they have a VIP configured 757

http://www.titan-airways.co.uk/vip_configuration.php

However their 757 has 100 seats, perhaps due to the distance of ABZ to IAH they can only sell 50 seats?

failing that EOS or Euroatlantic?



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5128 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7171 times:

Quoting BY188B (Reply 9):
i'd guess Titan, they have a VIP configured 757

http://www.titan-airways.co.uk/vip_configuration.php

However their 757 has 100 seats, perhaps due to the distance of ABZ to IAH they can only sell 50 seats?

failing that EOS or Euroatlantic?

I never considered that possibility, I assumed they would buy/lease a 757 and reconfigure it for their own use. I guess if they take a Titan aircraft it would be on a charter basis.

The city star press release goes into great detail about the cabin, suggesting it is already fitted, so perhaps it is to be a charter from another carrier, at least to start with?



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

Fantastic news for ABZ

Quoting BY188B (Reply 9):
failing that EOS or Euroatlantic?

I dobt Eos are going to be selling or leasing their aircraft when they are looking to expand



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 4):
I cant see it being complete for january, so will they be able to operate with a 757 off the current runway?

Yes to the 757. I presume no to the 757 loaded for IAH.


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Seems like 200 seats a week (each direction) is quite doable. I wonder what the price points will end up being? I am moving to Houston this winter and would love to try this flight.

User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

R


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

I guess this will be KX's replacement  Smile


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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 14):
ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

Why do you think that Rob ? Two oil centres after all....

(BTW : good website...)



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2275 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Looks like the mrs and I will have a new choice in vacationing next year...ive always wanted to go to Scotland!

ATCT



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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1980 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 14):
ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

If I was going to start an airline, this was the route to start with...well within the range of a BBJ (see the KLM IAH-AMS run) and eliminates any need for the oil company execs/workers to connect in Europe.

JSD



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5128 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 14):
ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

this route is a goldmine! The loads will be good, there is a huge demand for travel between these two cities, both are major oil centres, but not only that but the yields will be impressive too. Oil companies dont skimp and save when sending people on business trips!



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 19):
this route is a goldmine! The loads will be good, there is a huge demand for travel between these two cities, both are major oil centres, but not only that but the yields will be impressive too. Oil companies dont skimp and save when sending people on business trips!

A-ha! Perhaps I should wind my neck in then  duck  as I wasn't aware of the oil connections at the IAH end!  spin  I thought it was just a general "look pax, you can now go here from your local airport!" which I doubt would have lasted very long.

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 16):
(BTW : good website...)

Thanks!  spin 

R


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 14):
ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

Typical English! To you Scotland is just a socialist wasteland wallowing in their own sense of victimhood following defeat at Flodden. But let me tell you something. Aberdeen is nothing like the rest of Scotland. It is the oil capital of Europe (it says so on roundabouts). Houston is the oil capital of the Americas. The two together are the oil capitals of the free world. My boss would pay good money to be able to bybass Hellthrow on his many trips between the two power centres.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6183 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 19):
Oil companies dont skimp and save when sending people on business trips!

We sort of are at the moment. We need to get our costs down. But that takes the form of trying to limit long distance travel. Any will still be business. I understand the other companies are doing better as far as costs go so I'm sure we won't be missed.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6170 times:
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Quoting RobK (Reply 20):
I wasn't aware of the oil connections at the IAH end!

LMAO! You didn't know there was oil business in Texas? Or didn't you know Houston was in Texas?  Wink



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Thread starter):
Well it was only a matter of time before someone announced it... with the runway due to be extended this winter, this route was crying out for an operator...

Both KLM and CO were rumoured, but its city star who are the first to announce service! Flight will operate 4 times weekly with a 757-200 VIP with 50 seats.

I've been hearing rumors about CO and ABZ from IAH for years, I think someone jumped in before CO was in position (787s) to launch it themselves. Perhaps in light of this development they would try EWR-ABZ with the 757-200, plenty of O&D traffic between the NYC and Scotland as well as the connecting energy business from IAH.



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25 MAH4546 : I give it a year, or less. It isn't that an all-business class service on IAH-ABZ can't work, it's that it won't work on a small airline like City Sta
26 Glom : In light of these two posts, I might imagine that a trinket such as a 787 could easily out do an old 757, especially if the operating costs are lower
27 Nighthawk : City Star are well known within the aberdeen oil and gas industry. They will do as well as anyone else on this route. I cant speak for other companie
28 Post contains links Nighthawk : aircraft will be iclandic registered according to Jethros... Ah crap - just realised all of citys fleet is icelandic registered - he is probably just
29 RussianJet : Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but why?
30 MMEPHX : who wants to bet they already have a couple of deals in place with some of the oil companies that allowed City Star to launch the service and "guaran
31 Toxtethogrady : And welcome news for the IAH Spotters, who'd seen first PIA and then Cayman discontinue service. Still waiting to see if the rumors about Korean, Ari
32 Toxtethogrady : A cruise through the photo gallery at SkyscraperPage.com would have been enlightening...
33 Falcon flyer : Maybe Privatair will be the operator with its 757.
34 Joost : Probably something like this: (it also caused issues by KLM) If the flight would be operated by a BBJ, it would have a 737-crew. When they would give
35 PavlovsDog : The head of the company, Atli Georg Árnason, looks to have a very Icelandic name. The other officer listed on their web-page is named Rúnar Fossád
36 Post contains links Joost : Completely off-topic, but: In case they are related, they will either be brothers, or far-away cousins. In Iceland, there are (except some exceptions
37 PavlovsDog : True. I assume Arna is a rather common Icelandic surname as well. back to the topic. I wonder if CityStar is going to start flights to London City. I
38 COEI2007 : As great as this route is for ABZ, most of the oil companies that fly execs from ABZ to IAH at present, use BA/KL/AF. Most likely they have coporate a
39 Pbb152 : While this is a good point, I would think that City Star would have secured some corporate contracts before announcing such a drastic new flight (com
40 GLAGAZ : It will be TF-VIP (almost certainly). Gaz
41 Post contains links Pbb152 : Do you really think this plane can seat 50 pax and make it from ABZ to IAH: http://tinyurl.com/2fogyk Just a joke for those without a sarcasm meter.
42 UPPERDECKFAN : Great point, some of the posters seems to think that major oil companies are doing business only in the North Sea and Houston, what about having to g
43 Someone83 : You also forgot FRA. My dad travels OSL-IAH 5-6 times a year and usually uses LH via FRA, and I know several other who uses this route as they are no
44 Pbb152 : True, but if those medium level technicians and engineers are flying on the company dime they are going to fly the airline the company tells them to.
45 COflyerBOS : Sure, there will be many who will stick with the Euro majors (BA, AF, KL, LH) but many are forgetting that Houston has had success with the World Sona
46 Glom : Rubbish. Both me and Nighthawk think it's a goldmine. Woo hoo!!
47 Toxtethogrady : They only need 1600 pax a month (800 each way) to make the route work. If Sonair can operate IAH to Angola 3 times a week, there's no reason Aberdeen
48 Joost : I wonder if CO will react by freeing-up a 752 somewhere and start competing with City Star. Like others have mentioned, CO can offer a lot more fligh
49 Post contains images Nighthawk : time isnt really an issue on longhaul flights. Flying UK-US is going to take about a day, whether you fly direct or via LHR. Going direct saves you a
50 UPPERDECKFAN : Angola is a special market where offer is heavily restricted by local authorities, there is an ongoing thread regarding this issue. Comparison isn't
51 Glom : I had to make a curry first, which I never finished because I fell asleep on the couch.
52 Someone83 : Remember this is the oil business......many companies here tend to have generous travel policies
53 Nighthawk : Its also no use for holiday makers, which is a bit of a shame. A CO sevrice to IAH would have offered onward connections to LAS/LAX/SFO etc while als
54 Toxtethogrady : I did not see the AvDaily for almost two weeks, so I missed Saudi's announcement of direct two-stop service from Jeddah to IAH. It's supposed to start
55 2travel2know : A CO Next Generation B737 w/ Business First seats flying daily EWR-ABZ could have been a gold mine, ready to be in operation years ago, as a share of
56 MaverickM11 : That's a prepaid charter, and it's barely half full. The only way I could see ABZIAH working on City Star is if it's also a prepaid charter. Otherwis
57 Thomasphoto60 : I believe that It's already been established that this is nothing more than SV renewing their current cargo flights with the powers that be, so no SV
58 Post contains links NateDAL : What is your evidence for that? Media reports say that it is performing very well: http://fly2houston.com/0/375066/0/1906D1934/ In fact, looking at t
59 MaverickM11 : The DOT data they're supplying shows they are only about half full for the 12 months ending January 2007.
60 Nighthawk : What advantage does that offer over flying via LHR/AMS/CDG? The only way its going to work is if it is flown direct. It doesnt have to be prepaid - t
61 Post contains images Myt332 : I'm not sure either but I sure wouldn't like to fly a CentralWings B737 that far.
62 Cornish : Lets be clear here - demand is not "huge" but it may be sufficient to make it a success, particularly as it will be near enough 100% business and 0%
63 2travel2know : How about less time in the air? ABZ-AMS/CDG is a back-track, regardless if SkyTeam miles are to be earned.
64 Yellowtail : It maybe half full..but all those seats are bought an paid for (often blocked for certain companies).....some jsut aren't used....and it is ALL very
65 MaverickM11 : Yeah that's the nature of a charter I'd be more optimistic if there were any precedent for such a point to point route succeeding. I don't doubt the
66 Post contains images Star12 : I think the ROUTE would be a success. It's the OPERATOR that may be a failure. Whether City Star Airlines will make it work or another operator like
67 PavlovsDog : Anyone care to estimate how much cargo a 752 can haul with a load of 50 business class passengers? If they can get their marketing and distribution i
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