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Jade And Shanghai Cargo Coming To DFW  
User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 287 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3023 times:

I couldn't find any mention of this in previous threads. I found this link in a forum on Houstonspotters.net. ATWOnline has had this since Aug. 6.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=9779

From article: "Shanghai Airlines is scheduled to fly from Pudong to Los Angeles via Anchorage beginning in September and to Dallas/Fort Worth via ANC from next April. Jade intends to operate a Shenzhen-PVG-Portland, Ore.-DFW-Portland-PVG routing and a Shenzhen-ANC-Chicago O'Hare flight beginning this month."

Also mentioned are Great Wall to LAX and ORD and Hainan to Seattle. Asian trade is booming, and we here at DFW are already seeing EVA, Cathay Pacific, Korean, China Airlines, Air China, China Cargo, and Singapore on a regular basis at the west cargo ramp. Jade 744s and Shanghai MD-11s would be a welcome addition. If these plans go through, where would the new guys load/unload? Do they have agreements with current lessors on warehouse/ramp space, or are there enough square feet available for everyone? Any other comments/observations welcome.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3014 times:

Yes, and Swissport got the JADE contract in Anchorage!!!
Woohoo!


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11120 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2997 times:

Man, and they great news just keeps on coming for DFW's cargo business. Wow! Congratulations to all. These flights will no doubt be a huge success, as has been just about all the rest of AA's cargo fling lately.

User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 287 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
Yes, and Swissport got the JADE contract in Anchorage!!!

So have they started ops to the states already?



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting ZuluLima (Thread starter):
Jade intends to operate a Shenzhen-PVG-Portland, Ore.-DFW-Portland-PVG

This was originally supposed to be via YVR not PDX - and Im not sure about the PVG stop either, I think it was SZN - YVR - DFW, but we have heard nothing more about Jade coming here. I guess this is why.



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User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

I am surprised that with all the interest from the different Asian carriers into DFW the Japanese are nowhere to be seen or heard from. JL does good business from ATL so why not them or NCA to DFW?

User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 4):
This was originally supposed to be via yvr not PDX - and Im not sure about the PVG stop either, I think it was SZN - yvr - DFW, but we have heard nothing more about Jade coming here. I guess this is why.

Jade's website had an article stating the routing was to be SZN-YVR-IAH not DFW. So this is a different route altogether I assume.


User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 287 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 6):
Jade's website had an article stating the routing was to be SZN-YVR-IAH not DFW. So this is a different route altogether I assume.

That's why I found out about it on Houstonspotters.net, they're concerned that the previously announced Jade flights are being lost to DFW. This is probably the case if Jade does come here. They don't seem to have a fleet large enough to allot more than the 3x weekly to Texas, wether that be IAH or DFW.



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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 6):
Jade's website had an article stating the routing was to be SZN-YVR-IAH not DFW. So this is a different route altogether I assume.

They dropped the plans to serve IAH via YVR. Lack of cargo via YVR?



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User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 287 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Aren't airports such as YVR and ANC just intermediaries anyway, as 744 freighters can't make it direct to Asia from most of the US? Also, I would suspect YVR would have enough cargo to contribute to any route as it is the major Canadian port on the west coast.


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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 9):
Aren't airports such as YVR and ANC just intermediaries anyway, as 744 freighters can't make it direct to Asia from most of the US? Also, I would suspect YVR would have enough cargo to contribute to any route as it is the major Canadian port on the west coast.

I wish it had but there is not a lot out of Vancouver. In the summer the bellies are usually full with perishable cargo but very little manifacturing in Vancovuer that can fill the capacity. The sea-air traffic which is a filler is very low yield. Much of the freight out of Vancovuer is trucked up from Seattle or Portland which are much larger cargo markets than Vancouver. Cathay operates a freighter ex YVR with a few main deck position allocated but most of the freight on these freighters originated in California. In bound from Asia is not to bad but still not a lucrative as the SEA or PDX markets.



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User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

I understand the following is slightly off-topic, but it is somewhat related to D/FW.

It seems that D/FW airport is planning to talk China Eastern into launching non-stop direct flights between Shanghai and D/FW.

For those interested, further details are available at http://en.carnoc.com/list/4/4195.html

Regards.


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3860 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting DYK (Reply 8):
They dropped the plans to serve IAH via YVR. Lack of cargo via YVR?



Quoting Carnoc (Reply 11):
I understand the following is slightly off-topic, but it is somewhat related to D/FW.

It seems that D/FW airport is planning to talk China Eastern into launching non-stop direct flights between Shanghai and D/FW.

For those interested, further details are available at http://en.carnoc.com/list/4/4195.html

Regards.

Well I certainly hope that HAS (Houston Airports System) is out there wooing MU, CZ, CA or someone, we can't let DFW have all the fun  box   duck 

Thomas



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