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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Not your everyday headline, but one that is certainly "different" if not weird.

And if I may strongly suggest to the Nepalese to try and improve on maintenance skills rather than slaughter innocent animals in the future...  banghead 

Officials at Nepal's state-run airline have sacrificed two goats to appease Akash Bhairab, the Hindu sky god, following technical problems with one of its Boeing 757 aircraft, the carrier said on Tuesday.

Nepal Airlines, which has two Boeing aircraft, has had to suspend some services in recent weeks due the problem.

The goats were sacrificed in front of the troublesome aircraft on Sunday at Nepal's only international airport in Kathmandu in accordance with Hindu traditions, an official said.


Full story: http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2177043,00.html


Kafa, čaj, šraf?
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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter):
And if I may strongly suggest to the Nepalese to try and improve on maintenance skills rather than slaughter innocent animals in the future... banghead

I suppose whatever works  ashamed 


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2890 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Hmmmm...... I guess that's why I preferred to fly TG when leaving KTM.

When I was about to buy a ticket POK-KTM I went to the airport first to see which aircraft looked best. Outcome: Buddha Air with their B1900's. The alternative would have been a ramshackle Necon HS748...


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User currently offlineCaptainsimon From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

Why Oh why can any forward thinking logical intelligent person think that killing a few animals in front of a B757 will cure technical problems that the plane has had.

What a world we live in.


User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Quoting Captainsimon (Reply 3):
Why Oh why can any forward thinking logical intelligent person think that killing a few animals in front of a B757 will cure technical problems that the plane has had.

What a world we live in

Tradition mate...Never mess with tradition!!! If they believe giving a sacrifice to the Gods will make that 757 work better, then good for them. Same reason why airlines cristen or even have there new airplanes blessed, just for tradition!!! Of course in a technical world, we all know its not going to perform miracles for the aircraft  Wink



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 4):
Tradition mate...Never mess with tradition!!! If they believe giving a sacrifice to the Gods will make that 757 work better, then good for them. Same reason why airlines cristen or even have there new airplanes blessed, just for tradition!!! Of course in a technical world, we all know its not going to perform miracles for the aircraft

Very well said, and although we are used to symbolic aircraft ceremonies, animal sacrificing or similar gestures leave us awed - simply because they are not part of our norms and cultures. Bottom line - ceremony is one thing, but believing that the same will actually perform "miracles" is another!



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4870 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5):
Very well said, and although we are used to symbolic aircraft ceremonies, animal sacrificing or similar gestures leave us awed - simply because they are not part of our norms and cultures. Bottom line - ceremony is one thing, but believing that the same will actually perform "miracles" is another!

It's not meant to conjure up a miracle. Rather it is an offering, nothing more. I have seen such a sacrifice made, it's quite troubling for the uninitiated to see such a thing. And no it's not a barbaric slaying.

YOWza



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User currently offlineTWA757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

I'm all for doing whatever it takes to keep an aircraft in good working order, but, in my opinion, there is no excuse for the slaughter of innocent beings who can't speak for themselves -- especially not in the 21st century.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

So thats what the Truckload of Sheep outside the A380 plant were doing there....  Wink


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting TWA757 (Reply 7):
I'm all for doing whatever it takes to keep an aircraft in good working order, but, in my opinion, there is no excuse for the slaughter of innocent beings who can't speak for themselves -- especially not in the 21st century.

I'm sure they ate the damn things afterwards. In that case what's so immoral about it? Unless you're a vegetarian, I don't see how you can pass judgment on them.

My wife is from a Central Asian country and they sacrificed a goat during our wedding ceremony process. Everyone ate it (it tasted really good, actually!). Are you saying if they killed it beforehand then it would be ok, but killing it during a ceremony makes it immoral?


User currently offlineJETnyc From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

The goats wud prolly be killed any way....

User currently offlineTWA757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Quoting Remcor (Reply 9):
I'm sure they ate the damn things afterwards. In that case what's so immoral about it? Unless you're a vegetarian, I don't see how you can pass judgment on them.

I am a vegetarian. I don't feel that I'm passing judgment on a group of people, I'm just saying I think the slaughter of innocent beings is wrong, in any situation, whether or not it's based on a tradition.


User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

Quoting TWA757 (Reply 11):

I am a vegetarian. I don't feel that I'm passing judgment on a group of people, I'm just saying I think the slaughter of innocent beings is wrong, in any situation, whether or not it's based on a tradition.

Well, I'll give you that. At least you're being morally consistent. I might not fully agree with it, but I can see where you're coming from.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
So thats what the Truckload of Sheep outside the A380 plant were doing there.... Wink

Nice!


User currently offlineTWA757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Quoting Remcor (Reply 12):
I might not fully agree with it, but I can see where you're coming from.

I appreciate that -- to be honest, after reading this board for a couple years and only recently becoming a member, I was worried I'd find my way into ugly conversations that lacked respect. So thanks!  Smile


User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

as long as Boeing isnt delivering its aircraft alonng with a flock of goates for maintenance...
 Big grin



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

If they slaughter the goats AND fix the airplanes no problem....The problem comes when they slaughter the Goats INSTEAD of fixing the planes....

GS



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

What an ignorance! Every competent engineer knows that you have to install a couple of these on the aircraft to catch the gremlins! (Preferably near the captain's seat)  Wink



Jan

[Edited 2007-09-04 20:58:48]

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4870 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 15):
If they slaughter the goats AND fix the airplanes no problem....The problem comes when they slaughter the Goats INSTEAD of fixing the planes....

haha indeed

Quoting Macc (Reply 14):
as long as Boeing isnt delivering its aircraft alonng with a flock of goates for maintenance...

That would be amusing. I'm assuming it wouldn't take long for a Boeing goats vs Airbus goats thread if that were to happen.

Jokes aside though, it's sad what Nepal has become. All the promise of the late 70s has been for nothing. The country is in far worse shape 27 years on and continues to slide. RA has suffered due to the lack of progress in the country. It makes you wonder how much longer RA will remain a viable option. My 2c: Pretty soon the carriers from the gulf and India will have Nepal all wrapped up and there will be no wiggle room for RA.

YOWza



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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter):
Officials at Nepal's state-run airline have sacrificed two goats to appease Akash Bhairab, the Hindu sky god, following technical problems with one of its Boeing 757 aircraft, the carrier said on Tuesday.

Nepal Airlines, which has two Boeing aircraft, has had to suspend some services in recent weeks due the problem.

The goats were sacrificed in front of the troublesome aircraft on Sunday at Nepal's only international airport in Kathmandu in accordance with Hindu traditions, an official said.

Two comments:

1 - The proper way to sacrifice animals for airplanes is to throw them into the turbine intake or shoot them into the windshield. That is what the FAA/EASA/JAA require.

2 - If this works, I can see a large order for goats from the NWA maintenance dept to sacrifice to their DC9s.



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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
So thats what the Truckload of Sheep outside the A380 plant were doing there....

Tragically, they didn't slaughter those sheep. Their fate was...much, much worse. duck 



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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1964 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
So thats what the Truckload of Sheep outside the A380 plant were doing there....



Quoting YOWza (Reply 17):
That would be amusing. I'm assuming it wouldn't take long for a Boeing goats vs Airbus goats thread if that were to happen.

Actually, isn't it Boeing goats vs. Airbus sheep?

Now, if someone were to sacrifice a Boeing 757 to assist a stubborn goat, I would have cause for concern....  Smile

No disprespect meant with my joking, folks. I have had a terrible week and needed to release some frustration. On a practical note, I agree with all sides, as I both respect cultural traditions and speak out against any inhumane treatment of animals. As usual, this is no black-and-white issue.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3457 times:
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Quoting TWA757 (Reply 7):
there is no excuse for the slaughter of innocent beings who can't speak for themselves -- especially not in the 21st century.

Have to disagree there. I like eating meat, and in reasonable quantities and as part of a balanced, varied diet it is good for me.

Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter):
in accordance with Hindu traditions

And that's another fine reason right there.


I bet the plane gives them less trouble from now on.
 tongue 



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User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Some cultures used to slaughter people for the same purpose. Today, they downgrade that butchery to just slaughtering animals. Well, to all those that think there is nothing wrong with this, considering it's an animal, therefore no empathy is required, in your next life, you will be reincarnated as a goat, cow, pig, what have you. Think about it. The spirit goes somewhere when you die, you don't just float around doing nothing for eternity. They call it karma. And as we know from our own experiences in this life, karma exists.


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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2603 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 18):
1 - The proper way to sacrifice animals for airplanes is to throw them into the turbine intake or shoot them into the windshield. That is what the FAA/EASA/JAA require.

2 - If this works, I can see a large order for goats from the NWA maintenance dept to sacrifice to their DC9s.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3279 times:
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Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 22):
And as we know from our own experiences in this life, karma exists.

That is extremely debatable and far from being a fact!

Anyway, let's wait and see how the plane does until we judge the situation too harshly.  Smile



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25 Post contains images Bicoastal : So many baaaaaaaad comments on this thread.
26 Post contains images RussianJet : Ha, I do hope you're not including my comments in that assessment sir!
27 Lorgem1 : I hate to be the 'goat' in this thread, but thanks for a healthy laugh guys! Its one of the reasons I subscribe to anet.
28 SFO777200LR : They actually fix two problems: The 757 and What the in-flight meal should be. Can't imagine how many animals would have to be sacrifice if we tried t
29 Post contains images Typhaerion : When I got into work this morning I thought to myself, you know, we have a few L1011s where nothing else is working and we might as well try this....
30 SEPilot : One of the first mechanical lessons I learned was that the entire concept of an inanimate object is pure fiction. While the Nepalese are acknowledging
31 SandroZRH : You don't seriousely believe this?
32 HAWK21M : Better if they get the Airline privatised & away from political Interference. regds MEL
33 Laddb : Well, that's just it. They are not forward thinking logical intelligent people. But sacraficing an animal to appease the gods is no different than pr
34 2175301 : The sacrifice will almost certainly have a long term affect on how well those planes do in the future. How can a religious exercise affect an inanimat
35 Post contains images PA101 : ...and lots of people who do think of themselves as "intelligent". ... and increasingly believe that the Earth is just a few thousand years old and wa
36 TWA757 : I'd argue that it is very much different to slaughter an innocent being who can't speak for him/herself than to pray for a god for help.
37 SEPilot : For all of you who believe that there is no god I have one question for you. How is a bird going to evolve from anything else without guidance from s
38 PA101 : Actually, there are birds that cannot fly - e.g. penguins!
39 Post contains images Ikramerica : As long as they eat the animal afterward, I don't think it's a problem. Well, it's a problem if they don't also FIX THE PLANE. If they rely solely on
40 BuyantUkhaa : I find that question interesting, I also wondered how evolution managed to go in that direction with no guarantee of success. To conclude then that s
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