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First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?  
User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12201 times:

The other day there was a thread, which I cannot find anymore, about the first A340 going to be scrapped. I have read somewhere that the a/c will now go to IB.
Can anyone tell me what is actually going on?


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User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11976 times:

I really hope that is the case! i just love those A340s, it'll be a shame to lose one.  Sad


AF340


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2980 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

Usually an aircraft being scrapped doesn't get sold to an airline but to a scrapping outfit. Unless of course, IB wants all the parts it can get off the A340.
Oldest of IB's own A343s are just 11 years old, so they probably aren't ready to retire those aircraft just yet.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6945 posts, RR: 77
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11662 times:

IB plans to take four used A343s between November and January (MSNs 029, 088, 169, 263) - the one to be scapped is MSN 016. Though, there may be a new development not yet widely reported.


PH



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User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11260 times:

Ironically MSN088 was intended for Iberia when new but NTU

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11220 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
Usually an aircraft being scrapped doesn't get sold to an airline but to a scrapping outfit

Is this the aircraft that was apparently bought by Lufthansa Tecknik? It was freshly painted all white a few months ago, which makes my wonder what would have been the point incurring the expense of painting an aircraft, if they planned to scrap it. In any case, the economics will soon pass the treshold where the value of earlier A340's is higher in parts form than it is as a flyable aircraft. We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11191 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.

Really ? Which one ? AFAIK and according to the latest release of the B777 list by Airlinerlist, none have yet been scrapped or written-off.

Quoting LH506 (Thread starter):
The other day there was a thread, which I cannot find anymore, about the first A340 going to be scrapped.

Here it is!

First A-340 Scrapping (by N471WN Jul 24 2007 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2007-09-05 12:48:36]

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14140 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11162 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is this the aircraft that was apparently bought by Lufthansa Tecknik? It was freshly painted all white a few months ago, which makes my wonder what would have been the point incurring the expense of painting an aircraft, if they planned to scrap it. In any case, the economics will soon pass the treshold where the value of earlier A340's is higher in parts form than it is as a flyable aircraft. We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.

Some years ago we scrapped two B747-200 Combi of LH. They were both in excellent condition, with no corrosion and no open HIL entries.

Jan


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11066 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is this the aircraft that was apparently bought by Lufthansa Tecknik? It was freshly painted all white a few months ago, which makes my wonder what would have been the point incurring the expense of painting an aircraft, if they planned to scrap it. In any case, the economics will soon pass the treshold where the value of earlier A340's is higher in parts form than it is as a flyable aircraft. We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.

Some years ago we scrapped two B747-200 Combi of LH. They were both in excellent condition, with no corrosion and no open HIL entries.

I assume that like the 777 I mentioned and the A340 being discussed, this was due to the economic value of the aircrafts parts, rather than the aircrafts value as a whole?


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11049 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 6):
Really ? Which one ? AFAIK and according to the latest release of the B777 list by Airlinerlist, none have yet been scrapped or written-off.

There was a thread just a few days ago that the first 777 is indeed already being scrapped these days, the process is underway. Can´t remember where, but its somewhere in a rather unkown place in the US. The first 777 is indeed "dead".

Lets hope this A340 can be saved from the scrapman at least for a few years.


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11019 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 6):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.
Really ? Which one ? AFAIK and according to the latest release of the B777 list by Airlinerlist, none have yet been scrapped or written-off.

http://airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3097742

Was rumoured to be PP-VRD, but in the end this a/c went to Royal Brunei. (#87)



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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10953 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 9):
There was a thread just a few days ago that the first 777 is indeed already being scrapped these days, the process is underway. Can´t remember where, but its somewhere in a rather unkown place in the US. The first 777 is indeed "dead".

I know it sounds a bit picky, but from the announcement made last year that one aircraft was to be broken up, and the scrapping just happening, it's not the same thing, at least not for me.

Would the location be Walnut Ridge ARG in Arkansas ?

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 10):
http://airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3097742Was rumoured to be PP-VRD, but in the end this a/c went to Royal Brunei. (#87)

To date, it is still PP-VRD MSN 27109 / C/N 19 that was intended for scrapping.

Here's BI fleet details, including the B777s.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=BI&al_op=1


User currently offlinePsimpson From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10890 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
IB plans to take four used A343s between November and January (MSNs 029, 088, 169, 263) - the one to be scapped is MSN 016. Though, there may be a new development not yet widely reported.

If what you say is correct, then A340s (MSNs 169 and 263) will not now be going to Swiss as HB-JMK and HB-JML respectively?


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10842 times:

Quoting Psimpson (Reply 12):
If what you say is correct, then A340s (MSNs 169 and 263) will not now be going to Swiss as HB-JMK and HB-JML respectively?

MSN 263 is already a member of LX fleet although stored, and 169 will arrive later this year.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10772 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 11):
Would the location be Walnut Ridge ARG in Arkansas ?

Yes, that was the place mentioned. Can´t find the thread I was talking about though. It was also said there Brunei would get it, but that was found as false info, as someone has apparently seen it being dismantled at Walnut Ridge.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7201 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10648 times:

I have seen pictures of the 777 that is being scrapped in a clear state of disassembly-much of the instrumentation in the cockpit gone, and I believe various external pieces (flaps, slats, and cabin doors) gone. From the discussions I read it was an ex-Varig plane that had been severely neglected and abused and because the cost to refurbish it would have been so high it held greater economic value for parts. Also, it was one of the first (relatively) short-ranged models and as such less desirable. I'm sure the same factors will catch up with some A-340's as well before long; it has less to do with the design and construction of the aircraft than how it's been treated.


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User currently offlineStoutAirLines From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10497 times:

Quoting LH506 (Thread starter):
The other day there was a thread, which I cannot find anymore, about the first A340 going to be scrapped. I have read somewhere that the a/c will now go to IB.
Can anyone tell me what is actually going on?

It would seem unlikely that the a/c will be going to IB to be returned to revenue service. There are parts missing on the aircraft already. I drive by it a couple of times each day.


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10473 times:

Quoting StoutAirLines (Reply 16):
It would seem unlikely that the a/c will be going to IB to be returned to revenue service. There are parts missing on the aircraft already. I drive by it a couple of times each day.

You mean in GYR ?

BTW, welcome aboard!


User currently offlineStoutAirLines From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10439 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 17):
Quoting StoutAirLines (Reply 16):
It would seem unlikely that the a/c will be going to IB to be returned to revenue service. There are parts missing on the aircraft already. I drive by it a couple of times each day.

You mean in GYR ?

Yes, I do, OceansWorld. It's currently parked at the north end of the airfield by the Lufthansa flight training school.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 17):

BTW, welcome aboard!

Thank you! It's great to be here.


User currently offlineAnglo2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8878 times:

I understood ex BWIA A343 9Y-JIL was the first to be scrapped.

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8724 times:

Quoting Anglo2 (Reply 19):
I understood ex BWIA A343 9Y-JIL was the first to be scrapped.

Correct, this is MSN 016, and from latest reports, it will most likely be scrapped, a fact backed-up by StoutAirLines above.

Pilot21



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6945 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 10):
Was rumoured to be PP-VRD, but in the end this a/c went to Royal Brunei. (#87)

I haven't seen a source yet confirming that. ATDB shows ex-PP-VRD to be derelict at ARG.


PH



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User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4360 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7777 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 6):
Really ? Which one ? AFAIK and according to the latest release of the B777 list by Airlinerlist, none have yet been scrapped or written-off.

I do Airlinerlist's 777 list and we only put the airframe as ' scrapped' when no major fuselage parts are there anymore, so indeed you can consider the ex Varig/BA aircraft as ' being scrapped' now.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 10):
Was rumoured to be PP-VRD, but in the end this a/c went to Royal Brunei. (#87)

Incorrect. N703BA (ex-PP-VRD, CN 27109/19) was ferried from MZJ to Walnut Ridge, AR (KARG) on 12/10/06 and is in the process of being broken up for spares. In short, she's toast - 9 months into the scrapping process. Hopefully this will clear up any confusion. I wouldn't be surprised if spare parts from this early 777 have already made it into airline stockrooms around the world.

PP-VRE (ex-N207UA, CN 30213/232) is now with Royal Brunei. N702BA (ex-PP-VRC) went to the Gabon Government under a lease eff. 3/22/07.

The Varig family history of 777s really is a shame. PP-VRD ended up taking one for the team it would seem.

The now scrapped ex-N703BA/PP-VRD/G-ZZZE in her former glory as a speedbird, may she rest in peace:


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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3258 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

Farewell to the former 9Y-JIL, again it seems as if BW is setting sad records even after its own demise in December 2006. The once proud airline of the Caribbean no longer graces the sky. It does have a new successor, Caribbean Airlines who retain the code but it is just not the same. -JIL's demise seems rather symbolic of the fate of its last but 1 owner.

I did fly on it once in 2005 and its condition was quite deplorable. It needed a lot of interior work, IFE repair and the like to be brought up to scratch. BW's other A340 was in much better condition despite not being as well-equipped. It is still sad to see it go.

TrinToCan.



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